Allan Saint-Maximin

[dontcallme]

Nope the original post is not what people are disagreeing with as much, it’s the second post about Saudi being worse than Man City’s owners.

I disagreed with you and it was the first point I was disagreeing with.

"He was raised Christian as well, so why not? In Saudi he’d be persecuted against for a number of reasons. Not everyone’s main focus is piles of cash.

Man City’s owners are bad, Newcastles are 100x worse."

 

[Scot-Spur]

So would he replace Stevie B? Plenty of other wingers in that mould I would look at before him.

 

[mil1lion]

I don't see him making the runs in behind like Son or Bergwijn. Seems more like a Moura type to pick the ball up deepr and run with it. That means if we sell Bergwijn we may need someone who plays off the shoulder or an out and out centre forward.

 

[HedgieSpur]

He’s a show pony. Head down and plays for himself. Don’t see how he gels with our attack that is built in the relationship between Son, Kane and now Kulusevski. I think he’s a proper YouTube highlights player and doesn’t elevate a top side. Unless he is wanted as a pure impact player to run at tired legs in which case he’d just be a more luxury Lucas.

This is such a lazy, stereotyped and predictable description of him imo.

it’s almost like your decided to play “flair player bingo” prior to watching him.

 

[Joshua]

This is such a lazy, stereotyped and predictable description of him imo.

it’s almost like your decided to play “flair player bingo” prior to watching him.

Watched plenty of him. Not seen enough to convince me that he makes us significantly better. Don’t get your knickers in a twist cause you like what you’ve seen on Match of the Day though ??

 

[HedgieSpur]

Watched plenty of him. Not seen enough to convince me that he makes us significantly better. Don’t get your knickers in a twist cause you like what you’ve seen on Match of the Day though ??

I’ve watched a lot of him too. My issue isn’t that you don’t rate him, it’s that your description of how he plays is completely at odds with reality. As another poster pointed out, he doesn’t “play with his head down” at all, nor does he “play for himself” …. In fact during their really tough times, he was one of the few players who was always looking up and finding ways to bring others into play.

 

[Hoddlegenius]

Whenever I’ve watched him, he’s clearly talented but mostly flatters to deceive. Maybe playing under Conte and with better players around him there’d be more end product but I’m not wholly convinced personally.

 

[Joshua]

I’ve watched a lot of him too. My issue isn’t that you don’t rate him, it’s that your description of how he plays is completely at odds with reality. As another poster pointed out, he doesn’t “play with his head down” at all, nor does he “play for himself” …. In fact during their really tough times, he was one of the few players who was always looking up and finding ways to bring others into play.

I mean he definitely does. 150 dribbles completed and 5 assists to show for it. I just find it odd that we’ve seen a clever technician in Kulusevski replace a dribbler in Lucas and make us much better. And now we want a bit of a more luxury version of Lucas despite that. ASM is exciting but if what you’re saying is reality he should have a lot more to show for all those runs he’s gone on.

 

[ButchCassidy]

ASM, Richarlison, Jesus, Sterling - it does start to feel like “attacker with Prem experience” is something we are specifically looking for.

 

[Pebble Dash]

I mean he definitely does. 150 dribbles completed and 5 assists to show for it. I just find it odd that we’ve seen a clever technician in Kulusevski replace a dribbler in Lucas and make us much better. And now we want a bit of a more luxury version of Lucas despite that. ASM is exciting but if what you’re saying is reality he should have a lot more to show for all those runs he’s gone on.

You can create all the chances in the world but when you’re reliant on Wood, Wilson (missed a lot of games), Gayle and Joelinton (converted to a midfielder) they’re not going to score many goals = a poor assist ratio.

Replace the above shower of shite with Kane, Son and Kulusevski and all of a sudden your chance creation will = goals which = assists.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I mean he definitely does. 150 dribbles completed and 5 assists to show for it. I just find it odd that we’ve seen a clever technician in Kulusevski replace a dribbler in Lucas and make us much better. And now we want a bit of a more luxury version of Lucas despite that. ASM is exciting but if what you’re saying is reality he should have a lot more to show for all those runs he’s gone on.

That’s fair comment.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

ASM would make a lot of sense to me, firstly he'd be a rotational choice so already that takes the pressure off of it compared to signing Bastoni for example. Secondly he reminds me a lot of Hazard in his low centre of gravity and the way players bounce off of him and the way Hazard used his ass to great effect, I see a similar trait in ASM and when you think about how Conte got the best out of Hazard, that makes me excited. I think that ASM is a player who right now relies on individual brilliance and that his output doesn't reflect his ability, well I think that Conte having a structured approach would see ASM go up several levels. Also I think Mane is a good comparison in terms of the fact he was pretty decent at Southampton but nobody really thought he was worth the money United or Liverpool were willing to pay, I remember a lot of jokes toward United about being keen on him and then he joined Liverpool and the rest is history, so whilst it doesn't guarantee anything, I'd be hoping for a similar effect.

Signing ASM who can play either side and selling Bergwijn and adding Scamacca would probably be better than signing Nunez and give us more options but we'll see. Nunez looks an absolutely fantastic player though so you're gambling on Scamacca ending up the better choice and having ASM being the cover on the wings rather than signing Nunez who potentially can cover all 3 positions.

Compared to when Mane signed for Liverpool, Saint-Maximin is a year older and has played 55 more top-flight games. Unfortunately, his end product is so far behind what Mane had achieved pre-Liverpool that it's insulting (to Mane) to compare them.

Mane actually had an end product at Southampton - 25 goals & 14 assists in 75 games (10+ PL goals both seasons). Before joining Southampton, he racked up 45 goals & 32 assists in 87 games for RB Salzburg. That's a goal contribution every 1.4 games.

Saint-Maximin has managed only only 27 goals and 35 assists in his 240 games, or a goal contribution every 3.9 games.

To avoid the stats being skewed by standard of opposition while they were playing abroad:
Aged 22-24, Mane scored 21 PL goals in two seasons.
Aged 22-25, Saint-Maximin has scored only 12 PL goals in three seasons.

Mane was already proven to be a very good player, before signing for Liverpool, then progressed to become even better. He earned his move to a bigger club.

So far, Saint-Maximin has proven himself to be very good dribbler only - not a very good player who is deserving of a move to bigger and better things.

A fairer comparison would be Lucas Moura, who is also guilty of dribbling with his head down and lacking an end product, but even he contributes goals at a significantly higher rate than Saint-Maximin.

 

[KeithStone]

I'm not really a big fan of ASM, but for those of you with access to the stats, does he get fouled a lot by any chance - particularly in the final third? I can't help but think that we have a massive opportunity to improve at set-pieces (both attacking and defending) and with a potentially sizable and physical side, there could be something there that doesn't show up in his goalscoring/assist stats.

edit: According to whoscored, City had a plus 20 goal difference just from set-pieces (scored 21 goals, conceded 1) and we were minus 2 (scored 8, conceded 10), just by way of example.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

Now, if Conte wants him, then i hope we go get him.

That said, he reminds me of Yannick Bolasie a couple years back. Has moments where he is brilliant and seems a class above everyone on the pitch but they are often accompanied by 2 or 3 moments where he dribbles the ball off his own foot out of bounds.

I think he is better than Bolasie was but a similar player.

 

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[The Athletic] Were Newcastle to receive in a bid in excess of £40m for #thfc target Allan Saint-Maximin, they would consider it however there’s no expectation of such a bid arriving.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Would he even come to Spurs with the prospect of being 4th choice similar to how Moura has been most of the season. ASM started 82% of PL games last season at Newcastle he's not going to do that at Spurs with Sonny, Harry & Kulu as first choices.

Allan Saint-Maximin - Player profile 23/24

Allan Saint-Maximin, 26, from France ➤ Newcastle United, since 2019 ➤ Attack ➤ Market value: €32.00m ➤ * Mar 12, 1997 in Châtenay-Malabry, France

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[snakehipsspurs]

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This is a fine player who often dominates headlines, but there’s no concrete movement on Newcastle’s front man at the moment."

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[Pebble Dash]

Would he even come to Spurs with the prospect of being 4th choice similar to how Moura has been most of the season. ASM started 82% of PL games last season at Newcastle he's not going to do that at Spurs with Sonny, Harry & Kulu as first choices.

Allan Saint-Maximin - Player profile 23/24

Allan Saint-Maximin, 26, from France ➤ Newcastle United, since 2019 ➤ Attack ➤ Market value: €32.00m ➤ * Mar 12, 1997 in Châtenay-Malabry, France

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Look at the size of Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea’s squads… they’ve way more quality in depth than us, so much so that they don’t all make the bench. Chelsea could pretty much name two decent to quality teams whereas we’re one and a wee bit.

When the team is playing well and progressing in multiple tournaments the whole squad wants to be part of it. Most of them will get a decent amount of games as the same XI cannot perform at 100% in 2-3 games week in week out. If you do well and a first choice player has a dip in form you’ve a very good chance of maintaining your starting spot.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Look at the size of Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea’s squads… they’ve way more quality in depth than us, so much so that they don’t all make the bench. Chelsea could pretty much name two decent to quality teams whereas we’re one and a wee bit.

When the team is playing well and progressing in multiple tournaments the whole squad wants to be part of it. Most of them will get a decent amount of games as the same XI cannot perform at 100% in 2-3 games week in week out. If you do well and a first choice player has a dip in form you’ve a very good chance of maintaining your starting spot.

I agree but getting quality players to be back up is not always that simple. Remember the reported story when Poch tried to get Morata , it's reported that Morata said " Why do you need me you have Harry Kane "

 

[brasil_spur]

Would he even come to Spurs with the prospect of being 4th choice similar to how Moura has been most of the season. ASM started 82% of PL games last season at Newcastle he's not going to do that at Spurs with Sonny, Harry & Kulu as first choices.

Allan Saint-Maximin - Player profile 23/24

Allan Saint-Maximin, 26, from France ➤ Newcastle United, since 2019 ➤ Attack ➤ Market value: €32.00m ➤ * Mar 12, 1997 in Châtenay-Malabry, France

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Not picking on you here, but this keeps coming up a lot.

For starters, most of our key players (Kane, Son etc...) will be in the frame to play at least 30 competitive games in the 21 weeks between 6th August and 31st December. So that's an average of 1.5 games per week. This is across the Premier League, Champions League, Carabao Cup and World Cup. Some of those fixtures will end up falling as 3 games inside of 7-9 days. Once the new year starts the schedule barely lets up any further, with an additional 21 Premier league games and likely a minimum of another 6+ cup games. So that's a further 27 games in 21 weeks. That's not including any international games that aren't WC fixtures, which there will be some of across the season.

Conservatively then there's about 60 games across 40 weeks for most of our key players.

Between that, injuries and the 5 sub rule, every single player in our squad will get a decent run of games this season.