Amir Khan

[hans]

Khan's problems are mental. He's stupid. He doesn't stick to his strengths, getting inviolved in a tear up with Peterson/Maidana is crazy. You wouldn't see Mayweather or Manny do that.

Another worry for Khan is the ease with which he is hit. He gets picked off a lot and if he came up against Mayweather, it would be like candy from a baby. He was meant to have been polishing his defence with Roach.

He's good but not top drawer.

Yes, you would see manny do that . . he does that all the time. . . .

To be honest i think he might have gone as far as he can with roach, it would be a good time for him to get a new coach. Roach seems to be making him an amazing attacking fighter like Pacman, and neglecting defensive techniques - look at how Pac was picked apart by JMM the other week. With the speed that khan has, he should be moulded into a counterpuncher. If he could get floyd sr or brother nazim coaching him, he would be an elite fighter.

 

[$hoguN]

Yes, you would see manny do that . . he does that all the time. . . .

To be honest i think he might have gone as far as he can with roach, it would be a good time for him to get a new coach. Roach seems to be making him an amazing attacking fighter like Pacman, and neglecting defensive techniques - look at how Pac was picked apart by JMM the other week. With the speed that khan has, he should be moulded into a counterpuncher. If he could get floyd sr or brother nazim coaching him, he would be an elite fighter.

Why would Khan leave the best coach in boxing to join up with the most unreliable?

 

[hans]

Why would Khan leave the best coach in boxing to join up with the most unreliable?

best coach in the world who cant teach a solid defense:violin:

hes lost the last 3 fights hes coached . . (i think we can agree pac lost to jmm)

roach isnt that great as a trainer. hes just lucky hes got manny in his stable, otherwise he wouldnt be touted as much as he is.

 

[$hoguN]

Amir Khan has got a lot better defensively since being with Roach, I'm not saying he is brilliant but he does the basics a hell of a lot better now than he did.

The argument that Roach is lucky that Manny is in his stable so that's why he is so highly regarded is poor, as both Pacquiao and Khan have become much better boxer under his guidance. On the other hand who have any of the Mayweather's improved or brought through? I think they are lucky that Floyd is so special otherwise they would have f**k all.

 

[hans]

Amir Khan has got a lot better defensively since being with Roach, I'm not saying he is brilliant but he does the basics a hell of a lot better now than he did.

The argument that Roach is lucky that Manny is in his stable so that's why he is so highly regarded is poor, as both Pacquiao and Khan have become much better boxer under his guidance. On the other hand who have any of the Mayweather's improved or brought through? I think they are lucky that Floyd is so special otherwise they would have f**k all.

His defense had improved, but hasnt improved since the maidana fight. He was putting his gloves up and eating body+head shots again, and running away as his defense in that fight and the peterson fight. It seems like Roach doesnt have a plan B.
I mean even lamont said his team had a plan a,b,c and plan b worked for them.

Manny was getting countered all night against JMM, roach had no adjustments which is ridiculous considering he fought him before 2 times. Roaches gameplan was "knock him out" :shrug: . Manny has always been a huge puncher, thats not something that roach has taught him. Also, mannys career since oscar has been pretty laughable from my point of view (apart from hatton . . though hatton did lose his 0 to FMJ prior), roach has cherry picked to keep manny safe.


Dont get me wrong, i dont think he is a bad trainer, he is good. I just dont agree that he is THE best. There are guys out there much better suited to improving khan. Nazeem richardson or floyd sr would put khan on the elite level, no doubt. As a boxing fan i appreciate technically sounds boxers and good defense as much as offense.

BTW, the only guy who has been trained by both, said Floyd sr is the best trainer, period. :clap:

I dont think the Mayweather are lucky that floyd is so special, because if it was all down to floyd jr, then we would have another shane mosely, a super fast athletic dude. Floyds whole game is amazing defense, which floyd sr taught him. With an average defense floyd would be just another guy in the WW division.


Who have you got for the Ward/froch fight on saturday? Im rooting for Froch, but cant see anything other than a ward unanimous decision

 

[opensaysme]

Who have you got for the Ward/froch fight on saturday? Im rooting for Froch, but cant see anything other than a ward unanimous decision

Ward technically is superior to Froch. If it goes to a decision. I'd expect Ward to win.
Froch really has to go for the knock out he's more than capable.

I do admire the man he has had to do things the hard way.
Going to opposition back yard winning.

I hope Froch wins.

Back on Topic.

Have you ever seen Amir Khan ever dominate a fight against good opposition?

If he moves up to 147lb Ortiz, Berto, Brook, Marquez, Pacquiao and Mayweather would have a field day.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Just watched the fight and i'm pretty sure they got the pushing vote on the button, but it once again highlights another weakness in Khans armour. He has to keep his man at bay, and has a jab that can do that, yet doesn't use it and keeps getting tangled up. Why is he still so naive? It's not like he appeared to learn either over the duration of the fight - fair enough, if you still feel the need to show the world you aren't made of rich tea biscuits then go for it, but not getting hit is a much more effective defence, he needs to stop caring what other people think. "Too many mind, Nathan Algren".

Perhaps the points weren't entirely free of bias, but when you go and fight in places like that then you are going to know that this is likely before hand, which leads me to think he wasn't prepared, at all, for the reception he got from the ref and the judges. I wonder if Khan was expecting to finish his man off inside the distance.

Whatever happened, he looked like he'd spent his whole training time trying to iron out him dropping his guard and not concentrating on the strengths he posseses to win, which he could've done, had he done his homework properly.

Mayweather would still punch his face into another continent then rape his headless corpse before the echo from the bell had faded.

 

[haxman]

I think you are being generous to Khan in your description of what Mayweather would do to him, RSS.

It would not be pretty.

 

[ealingspur]

I cant believe he tried to appeal the decision. Man the fuck up, you lost.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I cant believe he tried to appeal the decision. Man the fuck up, you lost.

I can, that interview after the fight was pure sour grapes. He needs to go and watch that fight a few times over, then measure his left arm again and realise that, if he used it, he might not have had to do all that shoving. Once Peterson realised he could get inside his guard and just loiter until Khan got frustrated, he was making the most of it, but as i said above - Khan doesn't learn. Surely, someone in his corner said to him after maybe the third or fourth, "dude, get that jab working! If he can't get into your body then you'll be much better off"? It just boggles the mind that such a pussy-whip like myself can sit and watch him get outsmarted so comprehensively, yet it doesn't seem to register to him as the fight progresses.

He's got so much potential but as he irons out one problem from his previous fight, the next one presents him with a brand new one. How many chinks are there left for his oppo's to find and him to close up? Can't be many...

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

So it now seems that the fight was set to be rigged from the outset.

A guy in the ringside officials ears, discussing the scorecards, passing paper down to them, and now one scorecard changed inexplicably.

Is it time to ban the US from holding title fights until they put their house in order??? (Ok I know a little OTT, but it always happens over there)

 

[Rocksuperstar]

So it now seems that the fight was set to be rigged from the outset.

A guy in the ringside officials ears, discussing the scorecards, passing paper down to them, and now one scorecard changed inexplicably.

Is it time to ban the US from holding title fights until they put their house in order??? (Ok I know a little OTT, but it always happens over there)

we can't say that yet - all we know at the moment is that a rather shifty looking guy (anyone who wears a hat indoors is shifty) who came along and sat in the chair thjudge number 3 was meant to be sat in. When the judge arrived he had to ask him to move, then as round six started, this apparently random bloke started leaning over the judge's shoulder and interfering.

Until they identify who that man is then nothing can be assumed really - i mean, he could just be some cocky bastard who saw an empty chair at ringside, or it could be some shady character from Petersons past or something.

We just have to wait until they figure out who he is and whether, as reported, the scorecards were indeed tampered with - at the moment, the boxing board are saying they weren't tampered with.

 

[yawa]

Does anyone have a link to these pictures? Apparently he put them on his twitter page but i couldnt see them when i had a look.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Does anyone have a link to these pictures? Apparently he put them on his twitter page but i couldnt see them when i had a look.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/index.html

Hope this helps.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

http://lockerz.com/s/171795917

that's the close up of the guy, the rest of the pics are in the top right, but remember everyone and their wife is hitting that site right now, so it might be cranky

 

[Shanks]

we can't say that yet - all we know at the moment is that a rather shifty looking guy (anyone who wears a hat indoors is shifty) who came along and sat in the chair thjudge number 3 was meant to be sat in. When the judge arrived he had to ask him to move, then as round six started, this apparently random bloke started leaning over the judge's shoulder and interfering.

Until they identify who that man is then nothing can be assumed really - i mean, he could just be some cocky bastard who saw an empty chair at ringside, or it could be some shady character from Petersons past or something.

We just have to wait until they figure out who he is and whether, as reported, the scorecards were indeed tampered with - at the moment, the boxing board are saying they weren't tampered with.

Disagree quite a bit, in that it could be genuine.

It's pretty nailed on that the judge wasn't watching the fight for periods, and therefore shouldn't be able to judge. Whether the random interfered with the cards, the rules were broken and he distracted the judge long enough to not put in a proper score card.

 

[mattyspurs]

Disagree quite a bit, in that it could be genuine.

It's pretty nailed on that the judge wasn't watching the fight for periods, and therefore shouldn't be able to judge. Whether the random interfered with the cards, the rules were broken and he distracted the judge long enough to not put in a proper score card.

Thats the crux of it I think. Do the rules not state that no one is allowed to speak to the judges throughout the whole fight, they have to be left alone?

Thats what i'm lead to believe anyway.

 

[Shanks]

Apparently those are the rules, as well as no-one else touching or handling the score card, and the video clearly shows him doing so.

Shocking that this actually went on during the fight, makes you wonder how often this does happen.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Well, if dem's da rules :shrug:

Am i the only one who saw the first pic and though it was Will Ferrall with a mad tan?

 

[$hoguN]

Apparently those are the rules, as well as no-one else touching or handling the score card, and the video clearly shows him doing so.

Shocking that this actually went on during the fight, makes you wonder how often this does happen.

They also spent an awful lot of time adding up the points total as one judge apparently had "wrongly" awarded a round to Khan