Andreas Cornelius

[hellava_tough]

Looks good - quite mobile for a big lad too

£5m and sell Kane for £1.5 to £2.5m would be great business

 

[Dharmabum]

I am glad Spurs are using SC as scouting source for new players .... as I posted a piece on him a few months ago, something which Spurs certainly must have picked up on
Seriously, I remember some Danes back then said that out of the 3 biggest Danish talents - Fischer, Eriksen, Cornelius (no, not Bendtner) - Fischer was the one they reckoned had the biggest potential. So I wouldn't mind 2 of either Rebic, Cornelius or Fischer (plus at least one recognized CF on top of that).

 

[Bill_Oddie]

IMHO I think we would be doing well to get 2-3m for Kane- could be wrong just can't see anyone paying that for a player about to turn 20 who is yet to prove himself

Goal every other game for England U19s. Proven success up to Champo level and has played in the PL. Led the line for the best U21 team in the country. If Kane had been playing in Denmark, how many would he have scored? Probably not as many as Andrew Horn but he might have done. Also take into account he is still not "counted" in a PL's squad of 25 and is homegrown. Levy could get 2.5m for Kane, I reckon. And if not, he stays or goes on a quality loan.

Seems odd to spend 5m on Andy Horn to be, what, 4th choice striker, and shunt Kane and Coulthirst out on loan. Maybe Horno is more experienced and better but Kane and Shaq can learn from whichever senior strikers we've got and turn out to be so much more...?

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Looks good - quite mobile for a big lad too

£5m and sell Kane for £1.5 to £2.5m would be great business

Admitting our expensive academy and scouting network is failing doesn't sound like great business to me.

 

[hellava_tough]

Admitting our expensive academy and scouting network is failing doesn't sound like great business to me.

Be that as it may, it's still true

 

[WiganSpur]

For £3-4m would be a good buy. Sign him up and try to get him a PL loan, if not loan him back to Copenhagen for a season. He could be one of those we regret not taking a punt on.

 

[lillywhites61]

Very impressed with what I just saw on that clip, fantastic in the air, loves to cushion a header back across goal!! Skilful, powerful, great shot on him, seemed quite pacey for his size.

He would surely be worth a punt.

 

[ThorntonSpur]

why not three million and loan them Kane FOR A SEASON

 

[ThorntonSpur]

or even loan him back as mentioned above along with kane.

 

[Spursidol]

Cornelius looks good from his stats in Denmark and You tube (although itbh almost any footballer can be made to look good on Youtube). If the scouts/coaches at Spurs plus AVB wanted to buy, I'd certainly welcome it - and hopefully play him enough in pre-season ti be confident that he could come to Spurs as a first team squad striker - perhaps as no 3.

I'm a big supporter of Spurs youth and we have done a great job at getting a youth set up producing good players - but not everything has gone perfectly, and one area is strikers. Here is my analysis of the Spurs youth strikers :

Jonathan Obika (age 22) - Has has a very good season (after about 2-3 poor seasons on loan) scoring 22 goals foir Spurs u 21's and Spurs X! sides plus 3 goals on loan at Charlton where most of his appearances were from the bench - in terms of minutes on the pitch its about 3 goals in 5 games. Problem is that its a very small sample in the Championbship, so I cannot see AVB being that keen on putttingb him in the Spurs first team sqiuad and playing him in the domestic cups (although he could), so think its more likely to be a Championship loan, hoping he might be a late developer.

Harry Kane (still not 20) - Poor 2012/13 season, but mainly due to injury, but shone at Millwall and Orient in 2 previous seasons. Biggest problem I have is that he has mainly played as a 2nd striker in a 442 (because Spurs used to play that when he was in the academy and that's how most lowerr league teams including Millwall line up) or in a 4231. Spurs need a striker who can lead the line, and sadly Kane has done that in few games - which is really a coaching oversight. So the coaches need to ensure they retrain Kane to lead the line and AVB to play him in pre-season there to give him the experience. I cannot see that happening - so think Kane will not be a great optiion as 3rd striker next season (although he could be the next season if he can be retrained as striker leading the line). He's also not fast enough to be a wide forward.

Cameron Lancaster (20) - Missed 2012/13 due to an operation - and has had a series of injuries for last 4 seasons . Will he come back as the striker who unexpectedly had a good cameo in t6he first team in 2011.12 ?

Shaq Coulthirst and Souleymane Coulibally - Boith 18, boith look interesting prospects but neither look anywhere close to the first team (except as maybe a sub to see what they can do), so not going to be a first team squad candidate next season - and quite possibly not the season after either.

So in summary buying a young striker such as Cornelius looks a very sensible more if the price is right and we think there is a good chance he will make it, even if its not a huge impression in 2013.

 

[Flashspur]

Nice, tall pacey young striker. Impressive.

 

[Danners9]

Admitting our expensive academy and scouting network is failing doesn't sound like great business to me.

Depends what you class as failure. Sales to lower league clubs pays for the academy system over and over again. The facts are that it's increasingly hard for clubs to produce their own players based on their own catchment area - especially in a capital city where there is more competition.

I know the ideal is to bring through players from the u18s to the first team but it doesn't happen. Players develop at different rates, injuries, distractions, general natural growth issues. Man Utd with the Beckham generation and the current crop of Barcelona players are definitely the exceptions - and even then, they are from all over and different age groups.

Plus, the expensive academy won't produce players immediately. Players like Alex Pritchard are the benchmark for it now. Players like Kane are from before. With new coaching, new facilities and more of a focus on ability rather than teaching skills to big players there should be better players coming through. You can sort of see the beginnings of it with Townsend, Caulker and Livermore making it at Prem players. Whether you think they are good or not is another matter. They have been playing for Premier League teams and Livermore was called up for England.

Supplementing the team with good prospects from overseas is a smart policy and removes a lot of the usual risks of local scouting, if the player is already in the system - like Cornelius is - then he's bound to have something about him.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Depends what you class as failure. Sales to lower league clubs pays for the academy system over and over again. The facts are that it's increasingly hard for clubs to produce their own players based on their own catchment area - especially in a capital city where there is more competition.

I know the ideal is to bring through players from the u18s to the first team but it doesn't happen. Players develop at different rates, injuries, distractions, general natural growth issues. Man Utd with the Beckham generation and the current crop of Barcelona players are definitely the exceptions - and even then, they are from all over and different age groups.

Plus, the expensive academy won't produce players immediately. Players like Alex Pritchard are the benchmark for it now. Players like Kane are from before. With new coaching, new facilities and more of a focus on ability rather than teaching skills to big players there should be better players coming through. You can sort of see the beginnings of it with Townsend, Caulker and Livermore making it at Prem players. Whether you think they are good or not is another matter. They have been playing for Premier League teams and Livermore was called up for England.

Supplementing the team with good prospects from overseas is a smart policy and removes a lot of the usual risks of local scouting, if the player is already in the system - like Cornelius is - then he's bound to have something about him.

Good post. Of course I was being a little facetious. However, I think the point is that we have to give our own academy players a chance to succeed. We have a sensible, effective production line where you get to know more about our talent than ever before. We take the likes of Walker, Townsend, Kane and Livermore and send them on good loans. Some (Bostock) don't do enough to work themselves onto a better loan. Others (Walker, Caulker, Rose) show quickly that they merit a spot in our first team.

My problem is that we have a kid like Carroll who strongly features in what I consider first team talent, even if possibly he might be better off with a PL loan in the 2013/14 season, and then we go and buy someone in a similar mould. It would be like buying a right back last summer ahead of Kyle Walker. Or a centre-half that was similar to Steve Caulker.

The "failure" was a knee-jerk comment as the system is working. What worries me - and this is possibly why this is only a rumour and not happening, to be fair - is that we don't seem to know or care that it's working in this instance.

 

[Danners9]

My problem is that we have a kid like Carroll who strongly features in what I consider first team talent, even if possibly he might be better off with a PL loan in the 2013/14 season, and then we go and buy someone in a similar mould. It would be like buying a right back last summer ahead of Kyle Walker. Or a centre-half that was similar to Steve Caulker.

The "failure" was a knee-jerk comment as the system is working. What worries me - and this is possibly why this is only a rumour and not happening, to be fair - is that we don't seem to know or care that it's working in this instance.

The problem with someone like Carroll is that it needs a lot of faith to put him in the first team on a regular basis, we can't afford to lose many games or underperform anymore. He's good, I agree, and has potential to become better but if they don't feel he is ready yet then he's better off watching or on loan somewhere.

We don't know how far along the process is and Cornelius is a Danish international now, he's going to be well known in football circles and not easy to purchase. It's good that Spurs would look at players they can develop, as well as cheaper, but Copenhagen will know his worth.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Looks good - quite mobile for a big lad too

£5m and sell Kane for £1.5 to £2.5m would be great business

I've a mate who is a Leicester season ticket holder and he thought Kane was shocking and struggled to make an impact in Championship, so holding out for £2.5m maybe a bit of a challenge.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

The problem with someone like Carroll is that it needs a lot of faith to put him in the first team on a regular basis, we can't afford to lose many games or underperform anymore. He's good, I agree, and has potential to become better but if they don't feel he is ready yet then he's better off watching or on loan somewhere.

We don't know how far along the process is and Cornelius is a Danish international now, he's going to be well known in football circles and not easy to purchase. It's good that Spurs would look at players they can develop, as well as cheaper, but Copenhagen will know his worth.

I suppose the worst that would happen is that Cornelius works out and Carroll has a blinding year on loan at, for example Swansea, then we have two great options in 2014/15. By which time Dembele might have been killed in a freak food-blending accident, so competition won't necessarily force either of them out - and if it did, we'd still recoup the outlay for Andy Horn. Given I am still haunted by the days of a midfield like Leonhardsen, Freund, Neilsen and Clemence, I should probably stop being so negative.

 

[Tottenham_God]

I signed him on Football manager

 

[wosH]

As I just wrote in the Eriksen thread, Denmark just started playing Georgia in an international friendly. Eriksen is CAM and Cornelius i CF.

 

[Flashp]

The part about Fischer, Eriksen and Cornelius compared to each other, is also in the Eriksen thread IIRC. Anyway, rumour in Denmark is, that FC Copenhagen will only sell if they receive a bid north of about 7-8 million £, I don't see us (or anyone else for that matter) paying that amount for him as of now.

As i said in an earlier Daily ITK thread, he seems a levelheaded guy, and not one to push for a move, just for the sake of it (or the money, or whatever). I think it's most likely, he'll stay at FCK for at least one more season, to further his development.

 

[Dharmabum]

The part about Fischer, Eriksen and Cornelius compared to each other, is also in the Eriksen thread IIRC. Anyway, rumour in Denmark is, that FC Copenhagen will only sell if they receive a bid north of about 7-8 million £, I don't see us (or anyone else for that matter) paying that amount for him as of now.

As i said in an earlier Daily ITK thread, he seems a levelheaded guy, and not one to push for a move, just for the sake of it (or the money, or whatever). I think it's most likely, he'll stay at FCK for at least one more season, to further his development.

Back in April it was said he was valued at around Danish kroner 5M (aprx £5,6m). With all the interested his club may have increased their asking price.

http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/fodbold/dansk_fodbold/superligaen/fc_koebenhavn/article1938668.ece