Anelka Anti-semitic gesture today

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...riend-Dieudonne-causes-outrage-in-France.html

Nicolas Anelka denies claims he made anti-Semitic gesture at Upton Park

The Football Association is to investigate WBA striker Nicolas Anelka after his controversial gesture against West Ham.

The 34-year-old marked his return to West Brom's side with two goals, while Saido Berahino was also on target against the Hammers in the 3-3 draw at Upton Park.

But Anelka was forced to explain his goal celebration after he seemingly performed the 'quenelle' salute, made famous by French comedian Dieudonne and linked to anti-Semitism in his homeland.

The Frenchman tried to defend himself on Twitter, suggesting he was paying tribute to Dieudonne, a personal friend.

He tweeted: "This gesture was just a special dedication to my comedian friend Dieudonné."

The FA has confirmed it is launching an investigation.

The incident has caused a huge storm in France. French minister for sport Valerie Fourneyron condemned the gesture, describing it as "shocking" and "disgusting" through her official Twitter account.

She wrote: "Anelka's gesture is a shocking provocation, disgusting. There's no place for anti-Semitism and incitement to hatred on the football field."

A statement from anti-racism campaigners Kick It Out read: "The campaign is in contact with partners in England and France regarding this matter and has offered its support to the Football Association in any forthcoming investigation."



The FA will investigate whether Nicolas Anelka made an anti-semitic gesture, while celebrating a goal for West Brom, against West Ham.


Richard Ferrer, of the Jewish News, told Sky Sports News: "Prior to this blowing up this afternoon it wasn't something I was familiar with. But after doing a little bit of research, the 'quenelle' - as it is known in France - is a reverse Nazi salute. The arm is upright and saluted in the infamous Nazi gesture. But this, as you saw, is arm down, with the other arm touching the shoulder.

"This is either a lack of awareness on Anelka's part, or something more sinister...he must be aware of the 'quenelle's meaning and the baggage it carries. Surely he was making a statement? It's a major concern for the Football Association."

European Jewish Congress president Moshe Kantor said: "This salute is merely a lesser known Nazi salute and we expect the same kind of punishment to be handed down by the authorities as if Anelka had made the infamous outstretched arm salute."


West Brom caretaker boss Keith Downing says he was incredibly proud of the effort and commitment shown by his players today.


Dieudonne, who has past convictions for making anti-Semitic remarks, insists the 'quenelle' is merely "an anti-establishment gesture."

'La quenelle', is the subject of a fierce national debate in France that has reached the French interior ministry and stands accused of sparking a spate of attacks across Anelka's homeland.

West Brom head coach Keith Downing played down claims about the celebration and said anything else being read in to the display was "absolute rubbish".

"I'm aware of it but it has got nothing to do with what is being said," he said.

"It is dedicated to a French comedian he knows very, very well. He uses it in his act and I think speculation can be stopped now, it is absolute rubbish really.

"He is totally unaware of what the problems were or the speculation that has been thrown around, he is totally surprised by it."

 

[sidford]

Anelka is claiming that the comedian is his mate so if that's true then he knows all about the antisemetic nature of this salute so there is no excuse for him doing this with him knowing what the sign means in his home country.

Hope the lad gets 10 games for it, disgraceful act!

Oh and where's Peter Herbert & the society for black lawyers now???

 

[Khilari]

Anelka is claiming that the comedian is his mate so if that's true then he knows all about the antisemetic nature of this salute so there is no excuse for him doing this with him knowing what the sign means in his home country.

Hope the lad gets 10 games for it, disgraceful act!

Oh and where's Peter Herbert & the society for black lawyers now???

His 'mate' has said it's anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. The difference being the first is against existence of the state of Israel and the manner through which it was made, the second being discriminatory against those of the Jewish faith.

Not all Jewish people are Zionists.

 

[beats1]

His 'mate' has said it's anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. The difference being the first is against existence of the state of Israel and the manner through which it was made, the second being discriminatory against those of the Jewish faith.

Not all Jewish people are Zionists.

This is true but he is also under investigation it seems for his anti semitic comments by the french government

 

[jj87]

His 'mate' has said it's anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. The difference being the first is against existence of the state of Israel and the manner through which it was made, the second being discriminatory against those of the Jewish faith.

Not all Jewish people are Zionists.

Read into his mate's history - sounds very dodgy to me. Why would you need a salute which is so uncomfortably close to the Nazis to 'represent your views?

 

[dagraham]

His 'mate' has said it's anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. The difference being the first is against existence of the state of Israel and the manner through which it was made, the second being discriminatory against those of the Jewish faith.

Not all Jewish people are Zionists.

So that makes it alright, does it? Not all Muslims have fundamentalist beliefs but if a right wing comedian began making a gesture referring to Muslims and it was repeated, those making the gesture would be hung out to dry. In fact, they would probably have a fatwa our against them.

Unfortunately, anti-semitism is the acceptable face of racism.

As someone has said, if Anelka is such a good friend of this comedian he will know full well the connotations of the gesture.

 

[Kendall]

The football pitch is no place for political messages, especially those which are particularly sensitive.

 

[Kendall]

So that makes it alright, does it? Not all Muslims have fundamentalist beliefs but if a right wing comedian began making a gesture referring to Muslims and it was repeated, those making the gesture would be hung out to dry. In fact, they would probably have a fatwa our against them.

Unfortunately, anti-semitism is the acceptable face of racism.

As someone has said, if Anelka is such a good friend of this comedian he will know full well the connotations of the gesture.

of course he does:

He knows why tthis comedian is on trial, he knows his beliefs and he supports him.

 

[hugrr]

Seems like a very stupid insensitive hateful thing to do, either that or completely ignorant, either way he's an idiot for doing it.

Nicholas "Griffin" Anelka

 

[cozzo]

Montpellier defender Mathieu Deplagne did the same thing and not a word was said.



Deplagne told BFMTV:

It’s simple, it was a tribute to comedian Dieudonné. I went to see his show and I promised him that I will make a little dedication when I will score a goal. There is no political or anti-Semitic connotation as I could see. This is really a tribute the comedian.

I’d gladly do it again. For me, there really is no racist connotation as I could hear. It is a gesture that has no relation to anti-Semitism. The media and politicians are trying to hurt him and I find this a damaging process.

It is a gimmick. Just that.


In the locker room we often talk about it because many players also like the comedian. We laugh more than anything else, and we laughed after my gesture too. But I had no negative message.

 

[beats1]

So that makes it alright, does it? Not all Muslims have fundamentalist beliefs but if a right wing comedian began making a gesture referring to Muslims and it was repeated, those making the gesture would be hung out to dry. In fact, they would probably have a fatwa our against them.

Unfortunately, anti-semitism is the acceptable face of racism.

As someone has said, if Anelka is such a good friend of this comedian he will know full well the connotations of the gesture.

The football pitch is no place for political messages, especially those which are particularly sensitive.

This is the problem for me, the timing, the day before there seems to be a major debate whether to ban the comedian with the home secretary saying this about him “racist and anti-Semitic who nobody finds funny anymore".

Is it a coincidence that the day after those comments he performs the salute. Perhaps since he never scores that much but I doubt it

 

[Kendall]

Montpellier defender Mathieu Deplagne did the same thing and not a word was said.



Deplagne told BFMTV:

It’s simple, it was a tribute to comedian Dieudonné. I went to see his show and I promised him that I will make a little dedication when I will score a goal. There is no political or anti-Semitic connotation as I could see. This is really a tribute the comedian.

I’d gladly do it again. For me, there really is no racist connotation as I could hear. It is a gesture that has no relation to anti-Semitism. The media and politicians are trying to hurt him and I find this a damaging process.

It is a gimmick. Just that.

In the locker room we often talk about it because many players also like the comedian. We laugh more than anything else, and we laughed after my gesture too. But I had no negative message.

Just shows the shitty attitude. Dieudonne knows what it means, he knows it's his own personal symbol of anti-zionism and the players do too. That's just a sad reflection of players' attitudes in France.

 

[beats1]

Montpellier defender Mathieu Deplagne did the same thing and not a word was said.



Deplagne told BFMTV:

It’s simple, it was a tribute to comedian Dieudonné. I went to see his show and I promised him that I will make a little dedication when I will score a goal. There is no political or anti-Semitic connotation as I could see. This is really a tribute the comedian.

I’d gladly do it again. For me, there really is no racist connotation as I could hear. It is a gesture that has no relation to anti-Semitism. The media and politicians are trying to hurt him and I find this a damaging process.

It is a gimmick. Just that.

In the locker room we often talk about it because many players also like the comedian. We laugh more than anything else, and we laughed after my gesture too. But I had no negative message.

There wasnt much outrage because of the timing, this happened the day after ministers were question him on grounds of some of his views

Also was there not much outrage? I cant say I would know if there is because I dont read the french press! Plus the british press hardly going to report over here are they!

 

[cozzo]

A friend in France told me that it is a fad in France just like how things like "planking" and "Harlem Shake" are around the world. A lot of celebrities have done it previously and no noise. He sent me this link, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quen...770957607?id=557773770957607&sk=photos_stream

 

[jj87]

A friend in France told me that it is a fad in France just like how things like "planking" and "Harlem Shake" are around the world. A lot of celebrities have done it previously and no noise. He sent me this link, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quen...770957607?id=557773770957607&sk=photos_stream

This just makes the whole thing more worrying, rather than absolving Anelka of anything.

 

[beats1]

A friend in France told me that it is a fad in France just like how things like "planking" and "Harlem Shake" are around the world. A lot of celebrities have done it previously and no noise. He sent me this link, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quen...770957607?id=557773770957607&sk=photos_stream

Worrying thing is that there is some people dressed as a rabbi, one guy standing next to a synagogue, another next to the star of david, another outside the socialiste party office and etc.

 

[jj87]

Worrying thing is that there is some people dressed as a rabbi, one guy standing next to a synagogue, another next to the star of david, another outside the socialiste party office and etc.

It is plainly obvious there is a very nasty message to this salute. Especially given the comedians background. Hardly a nuanced debate on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Dieudonne, like many others uses a cloak of Anti Zionism to protect what is overt Antisemitism, the salute is an inverted Nazi salute, if you want to be anti zionist (which is technically against the right of Jewish self determination) then surely one would want to be beyond reproach when it comes to charges of antisemitism.

If you're wondering how seriously the French are taking these salutes then peep this

Since the FA are trying to curtail the use of Yids then Anelka must have the book thrown at him.

 

[beats1]

Just to give some background on the guy here:
he says the holocaust is "memorial pornograph"
been convicted in court seven times for anti semtic views
made a sketch of a song called Shoananas (Shoa + Ananas) is a portmanteau of Shoa, the Hebrew word for Holocaust, and ananas, the French word for pineapple.
doing a sketch dressed as a orthodox jew, he acts as a israeli settler and does a nazi salute
Director of a website that denies the official events of 9/11
has organised debates with jews that are anti zionists
ran for office and had 2 mayor holocaust deniers write for his campaign website
On 26 December 2008 at an event at the Parc de la Villette in Paris, Dieudonné awarded the Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson an "insolent outcast" prize [prix de l'infréquentabilité et de l'insolence]. The award was presented by one of Dieudonné's assistants, Jacky, dressed in a concentration camp uniform with a yellow badge.
French Jewish radio journalist Patrick Cohen: “Me, you see, when I hear Patrick Cohen speak, I think to myself: ‘Gas chambers…too bad [they no longer exist].”
Also has been close to members of the national front

Made a film called the anti semite
http://www.fighthatred.com/profiles...t-anti-semitism-with-his-film-the-anti-semite

 

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