Antonio Nusa

[0-Tibsy-0]

I've seen conflicting info on this, with some suggesting he would count as hg even if we loaned him back? Isn't that what happened with Sarr when when we loaned him back to Metz?

You can still accumulate the homegrown years on loan if you are submitted as a player in the squad list while away.

Regarding the situation with Sarr for context:

In terms of Sarr, from next season he will be able to be classed as a homegrown player despite the fact he was born in Thiaroye, Senegal. Premier League League rules state: "A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
Signed from Metz in the summer of 2021, this is now Sarr's third season as a Tottenham player. Although he did return to the French club on a season-long loan deal immediately after his move to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, he was still included as an under-21 player on their submitted list for the 2021/22 campaign.

Featuring on the list again in 2022/23 and now this season, the Senegal international will be classed as homegrown next term as he will have been registered as a Tottenham player for a period of three seasons before his 21st birthday or the end of the season in which he turns 21.

 

[thelak]

Levy definitely in there with the parents

has changed his sorry about when he did his GCSEs to A-levels to make it age appropriate and got them all in

hard for Sheik Mansour to compete with that

 

[razor1981]

You can still accumulate the homegrown years on loan if you are submitted as a player in the squad list while away.

Regarding the situation with Sarr for context:

In terms of Sarr, from next season he will be able to be classed as a homegrown player despite the fact he was born in Thiaroye, Senegal. Premier League League rules state: "A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."
Signed from Metz in the summer of 2021, this is now Sarr's third season as a Tottenham player. Although he did return to the French club on a season-long loan deal immediately after his move to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, he was still included as an under-21 player on their submitted list for the 2021/22 campaign.

Featuring on the list again in 2022/23 and now this season, the Senegal international will be classed as homegrown next term as he will have been registered as a Tottenham player for a period of three seasons before his 21st birthday or the end of the season in which he turns 21.

This is true for Sarr, but Nusa turns 21 in April 2026 - ie before the end of the 2025/26 season. He would therefore have needed to be registered in summer 2023 to meet the requirements.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

He would eventually count as a club-trained player for European competitions if we signed him this window, but it's already too late for him to be 'home grown' in the Premier League.

He would count as an under 21 player in the Premier League until 2027/28 though, so wouldn't take up a squad space for the first few years.

It isn’t too late for PL. Nusa joining now would have acquired 36 months by his 21st birthday and/or the end of the season in which he turns 21.

EDIT: This is categorically incorrect, see below.

He could in theory get PL only HG status if he joined now and was loaned back, like Sarr and Saliba have.

But it’s of little value as you still need to construct your squad for European competitions which limits your options if you don’t have enough association / club trained players.

The reason this suddenly coming up frequently is that Kane was a club trained guaranteed starter, and now we are having to cram the club trained quota our squad players.

Devine will help somewhat, but we are still one or two short which may come back to bite us eventually in what we can do in the market.

 

[razor1981]

It isn’t too late for PL. Nusa joining now would have acquired 36 month by his 21st birthday and/or the end of the season in which he turns 21.

He could in theory get PL only HG status if he joined now and was loaned back, like Sarr and Saliba have.

But it’s of little value as you still need to construct your squad for European competitions which limits your options if you don’t have enough association / club trained players.

This reason this suddenly coming up frequently is that Kane was a club trained guaranteed starter, and now we are having to cram the club trained quota our squad players.

Devine will help somewhat, but we are still one or two short which may come back to bite us eventually in what we can do in the market.

He turns 21 in 27 months time. The end of the season in which he turns 21 is 28 months away. There is no way he can acquire 36 months before either of those dates.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

He turns 21 in 27 months time. The end of the season in which he turns 21 is 28 months away. There is no way he can acquire 36 months before either of those dates.

Stone me. You're absolutely right!!

UEFA counts the season after turning 21 (if the 21st birthday falls after 1st Jan but before 30 June).

PL does not.

Farcical that the rules are not aligned.

So Nusa will never be PL homegrown, but could be UEFA club trained if he joined now.

That obviously changes the urgency for Nusa and Vermeeren on those grounds.

 

[luRRka]

Stone me. You're absolutely right!!

UEFA counts the season after turning 21 (if the 21st birthday falls after 1st Jan).

PL does not.

Farcical that the rules are not aligned.

So Nusa will never be PL homegrown, but could be UEFA club trained if he joined now.

That obviously changes the urgency for Nusa and Vermeeren on those grounds.

But premier league HG only requires association trained rather than some of them being club trained so is a lot easier to fulfil

 

[PaulThurston]

My brain hurts.

 

[razor1981]

Stone me. You're absolutely right!!

UEFA counts the season after turning 21 (if the 21st birthday falls after 1st Jan).

PL does not.

Farcical that the rules are not aligned.

So Nusa will never be PL homegrown, but could be UEFA club trained if he joined now.

That obviously changes the urgency for Nusa and Vermeeren on those grounds.

Yeah, it seems a bit daft. Even the PL's HG rules aren't consistent with their own U21 rules. Nusa would still count as an under 21 player for the 2026/27 season, yet you can't count that season towards being HG.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Stone me. You're absolutely right!!

UEFA counts the season after turning 21 (if the 21st birthday falls after 1st Jan).

PL does not.

Farcical that the rules are not aligned.

So Nusa will never be PL homegrown, but could be UEFA club trained if he joined now.

That obviously changes the urgency for Nusa and Vermeeren on those grounds.

TBH club trained I think is also very important as our numbers are low on that side but no HG is a shame. I originally assumed the same as you re both of them. With club trained I don't know if you can loan them out like you can for HG.

 

[Japhet]

Quite. And why would he go to a shitshow such as United, for example.

Only needs to take a look at Jadon Sancho and what he's now doing at Dortmund to get a feel for that place.

 

[Majick]

Last thing before I clock off . As someone who’s is fortunate enough to share . I can’t always be the bearer of good news but the truth whether that be good or bad .

Goodnight mates

We only want to hear the truth at the end of the day. Good news is preferred, but not guaranteed in any case - and I think we all know that different people who have access will hear different things from different people involved in discussions. What Spurs think the situation is in any deal is not necessarily what the player or their agent or other clubs may think.

I've seen conflicting info on this, with some suggesting he would count as hg even if we loaned him back? Isn't that what happened with Sarr when when we loaned him back to Metz?

As others have said, it's frustrating that the rules differ domestically and in Europe. Apologies for repeating what others have posted, but I thought it might be useful to have the two rules together.

For the Premier League: A "Home Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

Nusa was born in April 2005. He can't qualify, as the season he turns 21 is the 25/26 season - at best he'll spend 2.5 years registered with us.

Sarr was born in September 2002. He will qualify, so far as I can tell, as he was registered with us when he signed but loaned back to Metz for a season, and spent last season and this with us. The PL seems to take the registration deadline as being the 'start' of the season for this purpose, and it doesn't matter if a player is loaned out during that time, so long as they're on the squad list.

For UEFA competitions: A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if his birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following his 21st birthday may be counted if his birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.

The bolded part is relevant to Sarr. He was signed after the PL season began, so he only counts as having spent 2 seasons registered with us. For UEFA purposes, therefore, he won't count as home grown/club trained.

It's frustrating because, just when we'd reached a point where Davies is homegrown for both and Dier is no longer in the squad so our HG status is actually quite straightforward (we have 8 HG players in the squad right now), we'll now have Sarr who'll have this dual classification from next season.

Nusa, bringing it back on topic, would just be one of the up to 17 foreign trained players we're allowed to have. A quick count says we'll have up to 18 of those in the squad before any incomings/outgoings ahead of next season.

 

[Col_M]

My brain hurts.

FFS.. It's simple.

Age is a number
Nationality is relative
Uncle Sam is NOT a relative, unless he is your Mum/Dads's brother or brother in law.
The Premier League have strict rules, but can be flexible
Flexibility comes with age.
Nuna is 27, but age flex is 19.
Brugge are where Brogues originated from

Therefore Nuna is a Shoe in for the Left Wing spot at Spurs.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Is it possible to create a thread for homegrown rules and discussions? Comes up in loads of player/transfer threads and the rules are complex with different rules for domestic and home grown.

A thread would also allow us to go back to good old post with the relevant info?

 

[Basil Brush]

So from what I can ascertain from the great info we are getting from itk, is we obviously want to get Nusa in asap to beat our competition, mainly because we are currently in a better position financially than the aforementioned competition.

However, Brugge obviously want a bidding war to get the maximum amount they can, which is totally understandable.

So, it looks like it has gone from a relatively simple 'one horse race' transfer to a more complicated one.

However, it appears we are doing everything possible to get it over the line.

Also thanks for your great work @What Lies Beneath

 

[Scot-Spur]

Pretty confident/hopeful we get this one done. Hopefully this week.

 

[Hazelton]

Should probably wait until he's actually signed before worrying about his HG status for us in 3 years time.

 

[kd2000]

Should probably wait until he's actually signed before worrying about his HG status for us in 3 years time.

You must be new here. Thats not how we roll

 

[worcestersauce]

FFS.. It's simple.

Age is a number
Nationality is relative
Uncle Sam is NOT a relative, unless he is your Mum/Dads's brother or brother in law.
The Premier League have strict rules, but can be flexible
Flexibility comes with age.
Nuna is 27, but age flex is 19.
Brugge are where Brogues originated from

Therefore Nuna is a Shoe in for the Left Wing spot at Spurs.

I never knew that, Brugge is where brogues come from.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

Good afternoon