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Anyone demanding that Ramos be sacked is an idiot

themanwhofellasleep

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We're two games into the season, and already people are calling of Ramos's head. Yes, we lost both games, and most fans are furious that our excellent pre-season has turned predictably sour. Of course it's disappointing, but does anyone really think that sacking the manager that got us our first silverware in a decade is going to help us in any way?

I was a massive Martin Jol fan and was very sad to see him leave the club. I'm also not a huge fan of Juande's. But he's our manager and he has a proven track record in Spain. He needs years, not days, to turn us into a top team. If, after five years (or a relegation) he's not doing it for us, fair enough, demand he be sacked. But to call for his head a week after the season has started is madness. The club needs stability. I'm not someone who believes that it's the duty of fans to blindly assume that the board/manager/kit man knows what he's doing - but at least give people time to either succeed or screw up. And a week is not enough time.

It's actually my love of Martin Jol that makes me defend Juande. When we had a poor season last year, people were demanding Jol be sacked, quickly forgetting all the good work that he had done for Spurs and the two top five finishes he acheived with us. Some fans took for granted his man management, his attacking mentality, his team selections, and focused solely on the fact that tactically he didn't always know how to hold onto a lead. And the same type of fans are crawling out of the woodwork now, having a pop at Juande.

Sacking Juande won't bring Jol back. He's moved on. I suspect that some fans live in the perverse hope that Juande will be a failure so that it will vindicate their defence of Jol. I don't think we should have sacked MJ, but we did and slating his replacement won't bring him back.

No-one at Spurs is above criticism. I don't agree with much of Juande's team selections, don't always like his tactics and think it was wrong to get rid of Keane, Defoe, Tainio and Malbranque, but managers don't succeed or fail over the course of two games, they succeed or fail over the course of years and decades. It will take time for him to make his mark on the game - he is still learning about what it takes to be a success in England.

We've been spoilt by our two top five finishes. Some fans seem to assume that because we've spent money we're guaranteed success. We probably won't finish in the top 4 and in my opinion it's fairly likely that we won't finish in the top 6. But so what? At the end of the season do we call for Juande's head if he finish 9th? or 12th? Do we want another season with a new manager, rebuilding, buying new players, waiting for them to bed in? Do we want another season of being a laughing stock?
 

mrbrightside73

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No.I agree with you actually,but i dont think Ramos is any immediate pressure,he did win us a trophy only 6 months ago.Hopefully with the addition of a couple of strikers,we'll be ok.36 games left,im sure we'll still do well.
 

hughy

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To be fair, there's probably about 1 or 2 people in every 5,000 that honestly think he should be sacked. It's not a big worry.
 

don1

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it would be pure stupid to even think it he has to be given time ffs its not his fault what has gone on with Keane and Berbatov, this saga has huge affect on the club and as soon as this berbatov thing is settled the better for everyone, we cant keep getting rid of mangers like that
 

double0

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No one is calling for Ramos head. Theirs a lot of Spurs fans not happy with whats happened so far, and rightly so.

We shouldn't be losing to Boro and Sunderland (looking at possession and quality of players) if we have ambition.
 

jamesc0le

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no don't sack ramos but ffs get levy to sack that comolli and ask ramos to recommend a spanish sporting director, somebody he can work with properly, not some football halfwit.

the quicker everyones working along the same lines the better.:-|
 

Krafty

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All we need is some strikers, and we should be a lot better. Add in a midfield leader and we will be in great shape.

A couple of months and, with the above players, we could be looking fantastic.

My only wish is that some of experienced players at our club step up and take some responsibilty to reduce the pressure on the new boys.
 

jamesc0le

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comolli is second only to ferguson in being responsible for our failing in this transfer window. he probably keeps telling ramos that Bae will come good, that he looks great whenever he sees him in the reserves. for all comollis successes, he is a big failure, in comparison to how arnesen used to work with our manager and board.
 

gibbs131

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Lets wait to see what gibbs has to say on this :shifty:

I tend to give my opinion before the shit hits the fan.

And my opinion was Jol was treated shockingly, but Ramos is a great manager.

It is too easy to say what went wrong AFTER it went wrong.
 

Mullers

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I think people need to open their eyes and stop putting their head in the sand. Results since the carling cup haven't been good. We have lost the first two games we have Chelsea and Villa up next, we may have zero points. So although no one is calling for him to be sacked yet people should expect calls for him to be sacked if results continue as they are. It only takes a few voices to get the ball rolling.
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a...-any-better-than-more-talent-than-arsenal-jol
Then it snowballs and before you know it the board panics and we're into another transitional period.
At this point let me say I didn't agree with Jol's sacking and I wouldn't agree with Ramos being sacked no matter what the results are I want stability.
 

joey55

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comolli is second only to ferguson in being responsible for our failing in this transfer window. he probably keeps telling ramos that Bae will come good, that he looks great whenever he sees him in the reserves. for all comollis successes, he is a big failure, in comparison to how arnesen used to work with our manager and board.


I'm no fan of the work Comolli has done regarding our first team, but I don't think he can be blamed for this window. If you look at the players we've signed they are clealry players Ramos has specifically requested. So Comolli can take little blame or credit if they work out or not. Everyone at the club must have known this would have been Berba's last season. I think if we are honest most fans expected him to leave this summer, right back from last summer. So, Comolli, as our Sporting Director, would have spent the last year, or even before that, searching for suitble replacements. The fact we haven't signed anyone suggests that Ramos, simply doesn't want the players that have been suggested to him. The main player we've been linked with is Arshavin and his agent spoke of Ramos's long term interest in him, so again it suggests Ramos has very set ideas about the players he wants. Comolli can't really be blamed for that. For all we know he could have suggested a couple of potential world beaters from Ligue 1 (though I personally doubt this.)

As regards the thread itself, I really don't think anyone has suggested Ramos should be sacked. Though Paul Kemsley is probably trying to sort something out.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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I think people need to open their eyes and stop putting their head in the sand. Results since the carling cup haven't been good. We have lost the first two games we have Chelsea and Villa up next, we may have zero points. So although no one is calling for him to be sacked yet people should expect calls for him to be sacked if results continue as they are. It only takes a few voices to get the ball rolling.
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a...-any-better-than-more-talent-than-arsenal-jol
Then it snowballs and before you know it the board panics and we're into another transitional period.
At this point let me say I didn't agree with Jol's sacking and I wouldn't agree with Ramos being sacked no matter what the results are I want stability.

When have the board "panicked" before ?
 

joey55

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I think people need to open their eyes and stop putting their head in the sand. Results since the carling cup haven't been good. We have lost the first two games we have Chelsea and Villa up next, we may have zero points. So although no one is calling for him to be sacked yet people should expect calls for him to be sacked if results continue as they are. It only takes a few voices to get the ball rolling.
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a...-any-better-than-more-talent-than-arsenal-jol
Then it snowballs and before you know it the board panics and we're into another transitional period.
At this point let me say I didn't agree with Jol's sacking and I wouldn't agree with Ramos being sacked no matter what the results are I want stability.

I agree with this, particuarly the last sentance. But, to add further fuel to the fire, I think it should be pointed out that we were poor prior to the CC, not just after it. The last game I went to was Sunderland at WHL and I came away thinking something isn't right. The games prior to that against Reading, Villa and Chelsea also suggested we weren't improving. We might have beaten Reading 6-4, but we were very poor. The same can be said of the game against Derby, where we won 3-0, but until Berba came on, they were as good as us. The CC was more of a blip, in an otherwise steady run of pretty average form, right from the start of the year.
 
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