To be fair Stoof did say "consistent battler". I think Zoko is a fine athlete and has a place in our squad at the very least - but he still needs the discipline and consistency to be anything more.
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To be fair Stoof did say "consistent battler". I think Zoko is a fine athlete and has a place in our squad at the very least - but he still needs the discipline and consistency to be anything more.
We now have a coach I wouldn't swap for any other in the world. He's an elite coach, and a winner. Top players around the world know this, and will now be more tempted to come to Spurs than ever before. If we sell Berba, then top players will think we have no ambition, and will be less likely to come to us.
Our defence is already Top Four quality:
Hutton - Woodgate - King - Bale/Gilberto
Our midfield needs some upgrades.
Our strikeforce is Top Four quality:
Berba - Keane.
We have money to spend in the summer, and if Ramos tries to sign better players than we presently have in midfield, he will be able to get serious cash for the likes of JJ, Zokora & Lennon to supplement his warchest.
This summer is a crucial one for Spurs. The pieces are in place. If we keep Berba and sign 3-4 top players, then we will once again be an elite club.
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Who is the 11th wealthiest club in world football at the moment?yep Spurs, granted we haven't been punching at our contended weight for a good long time but keeping players like Berbatov at the club could well push us into that elite group of clubs within two years.
Selling him would be a major step backwards.
As much as I agree with that, how often do you think we'd be able to field that back four?
Wealth is all well and good but it doesn't really matter. Reading reports of Ronaldinho coming to Spurs :roll: but if he had the choice between AC Milan or Spurs I think I'd know where he'd go. It's just the prestige.
And remember that while Berba's an artistic assassin he'd want to win some big trophies to go with his talent. You reckon he'll stay and help us become an elite team? I'm not sure if he's willing to wait the two years. Unless Ginola's put in a good word for us, saying what its like to have God like status at the Lane :wink:
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Well said yanno. It's going to be a massive summer for us and if Ramos gets the three or four players at the top of his shopping list, next season could be a belter.
Very sadly, I suspect Ledley King's knees are about as healthy as Paul McGrath's were. So, if he plays a third of our games next season, we'll be doing well.
Which is why I very much hope Ramos is back in for a player like Ezequiel Garay, whose move to Barca has just collapsed.
And on the subject of our midfield, all are good enough to be Top Four squad players, and the likes of Lennon, Hud and JJ may still develop into top players. But if we get 2-3 top class midfielders in to complement what we already have, then we should be able to push into that "elite" category.
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Only a Spurs fan would cling on to the glory of being "11th wealthiest club in the world"...
I totally agree with the 2nd part of your post. But Berbatov has to be selfish, as he is a footballer and his career is a short one. If you have the opportunity to play for one of the biggest clubs, then you would be stupid not to take it.
Carrick is experiencing the flip slide of it though atm, not being a starter for most games at ManYoo. But I bet if you asked him if he would prefer to still be at Spurs playing 100% of the time then being at ManYpo playing 60-80% of the time, whilst being on 3* his Spurs salary, playing in the ECL and challenging for titles, I can guarantee you he would say he wouldn't as he shows you his championship medal.
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Good post as usual.
This is what Levy/Commoli/Ramos have to sell to Berbatov during talks this summer. All I wish for is Berbatov to give us one more season, see where we stand, and if we do not qualify for the ECL, and he wants to go, let him go.
But hopefully, our board will show ambition, and implement the two year mandatory extension that I have read what was included in Berbatov's contract and pay him on parity with the other elite stars in the EPL.
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A common misapprehension that doesn't square with the facts. Carrick has started more games than Hargreaves, Scholes and Anderson, and also come on as a sub more often. He's spent more time on the pitch than any of them. This has been partly dictated by various minor injuries, but Fergie does appear to like to rotate his four main CMs on a regular basis whilst also wheeling out Fletcher and O'Shea from time to time.
But I'd agree with the rest.
On the other hand, if there is truth behind the alternative version of his departure which surfaced in August, he might still be with us, and certain people have big questions to answer.
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Pray tell. I must have missed this during one of my sojourns into the wilderness...
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Carrick (understandably) wanted a pay rise to bring him up to parity with Ledders, Keano and Robbo. Comolli advised Levy that he cpuld find us a perfect replacement (Zokora) for not much dosh, and Levy believed him. When Carrick went to Levy to negotiate his rise, Levy basically told him to fuck off. Carrick succumbed to the blandishments of United, we signed Zokora.
There may, of course, be no truth in this. On the other hand, it's no less believable than the version which surfaced in summer 2006. Take your pick.
There may, of course, be no truth in this. On the other hand, it's no less believable than the version which surfaced in summer 2006. Take your pick.
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Then why do some many on this forum have a go at the likes of Zokora? Surely he plays with his heart on his sleeves and tries his hardest...............:shrug:
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Hmm, interesting theory. Whatever happened with Carrick, losing him put us back a season or so and completely screwed Jol's game plan.
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Absolutely. It's our inability to keep a consistent back four that has done so much damage, not he individual qualities of the players. Although having said that, Gilberto has a lot to prove before anyone can say he's part of a 'top quality' back line
This theory first surfaced in an Observer feature piece the weekend after Ramosgate, and in my professional opinion seemed to be based on an extensive off-the-record interview with a p*ssed off Jol.
MattWilliams - you can step aboard the SC Time Machine and relive the furious debate here: :wink:
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=19203&highlight=observer
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Poor man...
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Spursking turned alot of spurscommunity members against Zokora with his over exaggerated hype.... just a theory
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Cheers for that Yanno. I won't dredge it all up again but it certainly makes for some interesting reading. Ta.
I guess we'll never know what truly happened but for Levy's sake I hope that's not went down in the corridors of power at WHL that fateful summer. To undermine your own manager by selling the player he wanted to build a team around is, to put it mildly, bad management.
My personal view is that Zokora was bought originally to pair up with Carrick and fight for a place with Jenas rather than as a replacement. I mean - even I, a Zokora fan, can see that in no way can he play the same game as Carrick could? Comolli (or anyone else) cannot be that dim and short sighted.
