Are We Hypocrites?

[Adam456]

I was thinking about this the other day. Utterly blatant tapping up. However, it's come from HR not DL so technically nobody has done one thing and said another (hypocracy). We, the club and the fans have completely lost any tenuous moral high ground over Brbatov though

 

[Chris12345]

Depends on your definition of 'tapping-up', I suppose. Publicly expressing admiration for a player isn't tapping up in my book. Clandestine meetings with players and agents is.

Exactly, there seems to be a general misunderstanding what tapping up is...

Talking about signing a player under contract at another club is just public admiration.

Offering a contract to a player under contract at another club without permission is tapping up.

As far as I'm aware we havn't offered Defoe a contract... and if we have, I imagine we'll have agreed a fee...

 

[Krafty]

We will never know the exact details, but I think Utd properly tapped up Berbatov. I think Harry talks openly about players, but he only does so when asked, and its alrgely 'he's a good player, I like him, any team would' which isnt tapping up.

You can admit an interest in a player, but you cannot admit talking to the player without his club's permission. (even though it happens all the time)

The Utd fan is wrong, which is about par for the course with regards Utd fans

 

[Adam456]

Exactly, there seems to be a general misunderstanding what tapping up is...

Talking about signing a player under contract at another club is just public admiration.

Offering a contract to a player under contract at another club without permission is tapping up.

As far as I'm aware we havn't offered Defoe a contract... and if we have, I imagine we'll have agreed a fee...

Hmm some very explicit definitions there. I'm not sure you have to actually offer a player a contract to 'tap them up'. It's more about the overall intention and letting them know that you're interested.

So what is saying that you've asked about a player (Defoe) but that the selling club (Pompey) want stupid money ? That nice and innocent ?

 

[mil1lion]

here here/hear hear (?)
i agree either way :grin:

For future reference its hear hear :wink:

from Wikipedia

Hear, hear is an expression used as a short repeated form of hear ye and hear him. It represents a listener's agreement with the point being made by a speaker.

It was originally an imperative for directing attention to speakers, and has since been used, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, as "the regular form of cheering in the House of Commons", with many
purposes depending on the intonation of its user.[1] It is often incorrectly spelled "here here", especially on websites.[2]

The phrase hear him, hear him! was used in Parliament since the late 1600s, and had been reduced to hear! or hear, hear! by the late 1700s. The verb hear had earlier been used in the King James Bible as a command for others to listen.[1]

Other phrases have been derived from hear, hear, such as a hear, hear (a cheer), to hear-hear (to shout the expression), and hear-hearer (a person who does the same).

 

[Bonjour]

Not really. We have a new manager who has consistently been doing this sort of thing for years.

 

[Chris12345]

Hmm some very explicit definitions there.

Apologies. I didn't realise that the FIFA rules were so wishy washy and vague... :roll:

 

[Chris12345]

O, and to answer your question, if you asked about Defoe, and they asked for stupid money, you'd still be allowed to talk to him, provided you don't talk about salaries or encourage him to break his contract...

 

[Kendall]

He's been talking, which he shouldn't do really out of respect for other clubs. It's not public admiration, it's talk of geniune interest in signing players before fees are agreed, which could be consituted as acting to unsettle players and get them to angle for a move (as Defoe is doing now!?)

It's not tapping up, but it's certainly bending the rules.

 

[Chris12345]

Exactly, it's disrespectful, but in no way is it tapping up.

 

[Samson]

Tapping up is a quite specific thing, a hard to prove thing, which involves entering into contractual negotiations without permission, or the right, to do so. It's the Ashley Cole situation, and isn't a crime in virtually any other walk of life.

I believe we had the right to talk to Ramos (how is Sevilla's compensation claim coming?) If Manyoo did talk to Berba, did they have the right to under footballs' rules?

None of which is to say I don't find Harry's habits distasteful and hypocritical.

 

[DFF]

Big Gob Redknapp wasn't our manager during the summer transfer window when the complaint was made - so, no, we're not hypocrites.

 

[stevenqoz]

Of course we are