Are you happy with Ramos ? ( Next 2 games debate )

[SpurSince57]

In fact, Joey, Jol was criticised for going 3-4-3 on several occasions last season, the same way that his decision to have both Bent and Defoe on the bench for away games was ridiculed earlier this season.

Funny, that.

 

[ultimateloner]

1) So far so good - he's shown tatical awareness and the ability to make changes. The set-piece problem was there since the beginning of the season and seems like a long term thing so his merits cannot be judged on that.

2) Play the best squad for every game.

3) We should always play to win.

 

[ChrisDefoe18]

I have been delighted with Ramos who without stupid referee decisions goalkeeping errors and bad finishing would still be unbeaten as our manager IMO...maybe the Villa game aside where he got his marking wrong....Things will be better when we get some left foot balance and the players he wants in wide areas.

 

[Michey]

He came in when the team was totally fucked up.......having placed the money like idiots during the summer etc.

He's been great and will obviously going to be awsome for us!

 

[joey55]

In fact, Joey, Jol was criticised for going 3-4-3 on several occasions last season, the same way that his decision to have both Bent and Defoe on the bench for away games was ridiculed earlier this season.

Funny, that.

I remember Spursking complaing when we did when 2-0 against Seville and brought TT into midfield, who had been playing fullback. I think the key difference is that Ramos will make the change much earlier, such at half time or 60 mins, so the commentators have time to really analyse the changes. Jol would make his changes later so people would concentrate on the fact we'd gone 3 up front, rather than the team shape as a whole.

 

[wizgell]

Personally I'm not, well...overall I am not. I am still a huge Martin Jol backer, and he was criticised for being tactically inept but I think Ramos has cost us with his strange substitutions at times. Yesterday I think he got it totally wrong. I understood bringing Keane off but not bringing on Taraabt at 2-1 where you need to hold onto a game. At 2-2, Huddlestone for Steed was just as odd.

Against Reading in the 6-4 he could have cost us taking off Ledley for Defoe, with no defenders on bench. We conceded another 2 goals when Ledley was off the pitch-largely down to the fact the back 3 was all over the place.

I still can't bring myself to sing "Juande Ramos' blue and white army"

 

[joey55]

Personally I'm not, well...overall I am not. I am still a huge Martin Jol backer, and he was criticised for being tactically inept but I think Ramos has cost us with his strange substitutions at times. Yesterday I think he got it totally wrong. I understood bringing Keane off but not bringing on Taraabt at 2-1 where you need to hold onto a game. At 2-2, Huddlestone for Steed was just as odd.

Against Reading in the 6-4 he could have cost us taking off Ledley for Defoe, with no defenders on bench. We conceded another 2 goals when Ledley was off the pitch-largely down to the fact the back 3 was all over the place.

I still can't bring myself to sing "Juande Ramos' blue and white army"

But every coach makes decisions fans don't agree with or seem odd, it's just that we naturally judge our coach's against perfection, rather than other coach's. When Jol was in charge I was desperately trying to get people to compare his tactics and changes with those of the other top coach's rather than just trying to blame him for player error and the uncertainty and basic mess caused by the board. It's the same with Ramos. Yes he'll do things fans seem odd, but in general he'll make less mistakes than Fergie, who has won the title numerous times. Tactics etc are only ever going to have a limited effect (over the course of a season), especially in a team that likes to play 442 high tempo football. If you are pro a manger you'll remmebr the good changes and forget the bad and if you don't like him, you'll focus on the bad and forget the good.

 

[Spursking]

I am really happy with Ramos until now! He has changed the way we play, and he really wants to play attacking football no matter what the result is. That is so good to see.

 

[hybridsoldier]

im very very happy with mr ramos, ijust fear for him if that prick comolli is really buying players with ramos' consent or even any input from him.

I think this season is a matter of the cups and finishing in the top 8 really. Next season is where we can see what Juande can do given a full pre-season with the lads, but again I dont expect any top 4 breaking next season, just back to 5th.

Cupsare very important for Juande, I think we have a great cup side, as for the league we CANNOT expect a challenge for 4th till the 09/10 season I feel.

 

[joey55]

im very very happy with mr ramos, ijust fear for him if that prick comolli is really buying players with ramos' consent or even any input from him.

I think this season is a matter of the cups and finishing in the top 8 really. Next season is where we can see what Juande can do given a full pre-season with the lads, but again I dont expect any top 4 breaking next season, just back to 5th.

Cupsare very important for Juande, I think we have a great cup side, as for the league we CANNOT expect a challenge for 4th till the 09/10 season I feel.

It will be very interesting to see what happens at Liverpool. Benitez will almost certainly leave and this could have a major effect on us. if they replace him with the wrong man and key players leave, then the top 4 might not be as solid. If Ramos can get the players he wants in a few key positions, then I think we could finish 4th.

 

[PT]

It will be very interesting to see what happens at Liverpool. Benitez will almost certainly leave and this could have a major effect on us. if they replace him with the wrong man and key players leave, then the top 4 might not be as solid. If Ramos can get the players he wants in a few key positions, then I think we could finish 4th.

The membership of the Premiership has moved on since our two fifth plced seasons.

Look at Manchester City, Aston Villa, Everton - even Portsmouth and we now have several teams that have decent settled management, a sound financial structure, and a solid season of shrew player purchases to ensure that another bid for fourth, even fifth, will be a real challenge for Tottenham.

Not even Ramos can wipe the slate clean and start afresh. Funds won't provide for this wish and the alternative id coaching the core of the existing player staff back in to belief and confidence of themselves. Add to that three or four astute high profile incomers and we'll have a chance. But it will be more difficult than ever before, that's for sure.

 

[joey55]

The membership of the Premiership has moved on since our two fifth plced seasons.

Look at Manchester City, Aston Villa, Everton - even Portsmouth and we now have several teams that have decent settled management, a sound financial structure, and a solid season of shrew player purchases to ensure that another bid for fourth, even fifth, will be a real challenge for Tottenham.

Not even Ramos can wipe the slate clean and start afresh. Funds won't provide for this wish and the alternative id coaching the core of the existing player staff back in to belief and confidence of themselves. Add to that three or four astute high profile incomers and we'll have a chance. But it will be more difficult than ever before, that's for sure.

I just think we need to do the shopping we should have done last summer, then we'll have a good chance. I accept that the likes of Everton and City can pick up as many points as us, but don't think they are as good as us. They both have the ability to play either 433 or 451, which means they are harder to beat than us. But if we bring in the players to cut out our stupid mistakes, then we should be too strong for them. The great thing about the 433/451 formation is that it allows teams to bridge a quality gap that would be evident if they played 442. By playing that extra man in midfield and that bit deeper, as long as they are solid in % areas (ie set pieces), it makes these teams very hard to beat. So whilst they aren't as goods as us, they can still get similar points tally's to us.

For example, we can play really well and dominate a game for 80 mins and still lose or draw thanks to some stupid errors. Whilst City and Everton are not going to play football of the standard we do, but "closing" the midfield up they can play just okay and still pick up similar points tally's to us over the course of the season. I doubt many 433/451 teams will have games like we do, in which we totally dominate but still conspire to lose or draw ie Fulham and Birmingham. 442 pressing high tempo football requires teams to be strong all over (ie Utd and Arsenal), whilst other more tactical formations allow for weakness's to ne countered. At the moment we can't play a high enough line, we don't have sufficient width or pace on the left for such a right footed side and we don't a CM that can set a tempo (other than the Hudd who needs to improve other areas of his game).

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

I really wish Ramos was given control of transfers. I know the point is to provide stability, but I think its a dumb system and I think Comolli has let us down these past two years, particularly this summer. I feel bad for Ramos and Jol because they don't deserve much of the blame. I think its rather clear Jol knew what we needed and Comolli didn't listen. There's no manager who would want to go challenge the top 4 with unproven young players.

 

[dcarney75]

To early to say.

As for the long term, things look pretty promising overall, but I think the Ramos/Comolli relationship is the key factor.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

But every coach makes decisions fans don't agree with or seem odd, it's just that we naturally judge our coach's against perfection, rather than other coach's. When Jol was in charge I was desperately trying to get people to compare his tactics and changes with those of the other top coach's rather than just trying to blame him for player error and the uncertainty and basic mess caused by the board. It's the same with Ramos. Yes he'll do things fans seem odd, but in general he'll make less mistakes than Fergie, who has won the title numerous times. Tactics etc are only ever going to have a limited effect (over the course of a season), especially in a team that likes to play 442 high tempo football. If you are pro a manger you'll remmebr the good changes and forget the bad and if you don't like him, you'll focus on the bad and forget the good.

I could agree with you about something you said in recent posts here. MJ also made good subs. But i still feel about a bit of difference, Robbie Keane used as creative player under MJ and used to deep into the middle to provide Berba some chances. With Ramos now, I see Berba who is going to take that role and Keane upfront near or inside the box. it is very clear about this point during this season. We can see that when we saw the best of Robbie Keane form and overall performance under MJ was better and Berba wasn't. Now ? Berba doing better and Keane not.

What would you say about this one, which is better for the team ?!

 

[TheBigMatch]

Ultimately the only thing that people understand is results. The rug was pulled from under Jol but Ramos appears to be using his new man influence to strengthen the defense so he stands a good chance of making it happen.

We have the best strike force in England.

But we have the worst defense (there may be 2 or 3 defenses with more goals against but they don't have any sort of team in front of them). A few good defenders could make a major MAJOR difference.

COYS.

 

[fozzi44]

who is voting no?

I despair

 

[striebs]

Ramos must realise by now that he has been duped by Levy and that Enic will not speculate to achieve success .

I'm already worried that he will leave us .

 

[Gilzeanking]

Eddie was rightly warning us of 'the new manager bounce effect'

The positive effect a new face can have that can fade after a bit . Hopefully that won't be the case for us . (Pompey,City matches though were an early peak)

I'm very happy with JR/Gus

 

[Gilzeanking]

Ramos must realise by now that he has been duped by Levy and that Enic will not speculate to achieve success .

I'm already worried that he will leave us .

This is something that I don't feel is on many people's radar . He hasn't stay long at his clubs so far . He could get a front rank manager's job easily .

Good in a way cos Levy will HAVE to listen to him over transfers etc .... but his early departure could be disastrous for us .