Arsenal

[dagraham]

Let's celebrate him staying when we actually do finish above them and/or they do actually miss out on the top 4.

Until that actually happens I'm not being happy about anything Arsenal-related - there's plenty of games left for us to fuck it up and them to go on a run, however unlikely that seems.

Whilst I usually agree with that sentiment and knowing that we could still finish below them and even have the possibility of losing to them in the FA Cup final, watching their fans lose their shit over him staying is too funny to pass up.

 

[Buggsy61]

I think we all suffer from having been bitten up the backside so many times, and having to ride the storm of ridicule we don't want to tempt fate anymore.
It does feel slightly different this year though - they don't look a truly united team and the manager seems to have lost his grip.
Having said that they still have some world class players and are more than capable of going on a good run.
All we can do is pray to the football gods and count down the games. The atmosphere at the NLD this year is going to be something else, and they will be up for it....

 

[SUIYHA]

Really don't get why so many Spurs fans are creaming themselves over the idea of Wenger staying. Yes, they have badly regressed and had an awful season. Yes, they are unlikely to win the title any time soon without a major overhaul. And yes, many of their problems come down to Wenger. But let's not forget the important facts here. The guy has finished above us in twenty out of twenty seasons. I'll repeat that. TWENTY SEASONS IN A ROW. A 100% record. For every laugh we've had at that guy, he's laughed harder back at us. Why are so many of you so keen for a guy who has completely dominated us to carry on? We look back on the 80s as a golden era, where we had a few top four finishes, won a few FA Cups and played good football, whereas apparently this is the epitomy of failure for Wenger.

It's by no means guaranteed that a new manager with fresh ideas will come in and revitalise everything, even someone with supposed "pedigree". Remember how Redknapp/Jol were holding Spurs back and a talented, proven manager like AVB/Ramos were going to take us back to the top. Guess how that worked out. Big clubs aren't always guaranteed to dine at the top table - I'll point you to Liverpool who are historically bigger than Arsenal and have spent a fair bit of cash lately yet have only one top five finish and one League Cup from the last seven seasons to show for it because of piss poor management.

You know - they've had fewer points at this stage of the season before and still rallied to finish top 4 and ahead of us. Several times. I remember leaving WHL after beating them in 2013 to go 7 points clear at this stage of the season with our fans singing "We want you to stay" to Wenger. And they finished above us. They will pick up form inevitably, that is not up for debate, neither is the fact that we will go through a bad spell between now and the end of the season. I am just praying every day that we can hold on this time and finish the job.

Want him to stay? I've spent most of my life hating this guy. I want to beat them in the league, finish above them, then beat them in the FA Cup final in his last ever game to ruin his legacy and laugh him into retirement. Why would you want him to stay? Unless it's to laugh at those clowns on AFTV which to be fair would definitely be worth watching.

 

[Chris Finch]

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[Shadydan]

Really don't get why so many Spurs fans are creaming themselves over the idea of Wenger staying. Yes, they have badly regressed and had an awful season. Yes, they are unlikely to win the title any time soon without a major overhaul. And yes, many of their problems come down to Wenger. But let's not forget the important facts here. The guy has finished above us in twenty out of twenty seasons. I'll repeat that. TWENTY SEASONS IN A ROW. A 100% record. For every laugh we've had at that guy, he's laughed harder back at us. Why are so many of you so keen for a guy who has completely dominated us to carry on? We look back on the 80s as a golden era, where we had a few top four finishes, won a few FA Cups and played good football, whereas apparently this is the epitomy of failure for Wenger.

It's by no means guaranteed that a new manager with fresh ideas will come in and revitalise everything, even someone with supposed "pedigree". Remember how Redknapp/Jol were holding Spurs back and a talented, proven manager like AVB/Ramos were going to take us back to the top. Guess how that worked out. Big clubs aren't always guaranteed to dine at the top table - I'll point you to Liverpool who are historically bigger than Arsenal and have spent a fair bit of cash lately yet have only one top five finish and one League Cup from the last seven seasons to show for it because of piss poor management.

You know - they've had fewer points at this stage of the season before and still rallied to finish top 4 and ahead of us. Several times. I remember leaving WHL after beating them in 2013 to go 7 points clear at this stage of the season with our fans singing "We want you to stay" to Wenger. And they finished above us. They will pick up form inevitably, that is not up for debate, neither is the fact that we will go through a bad spell between now and the end of the season. I am just praying every day that we can hold on this time and finish the job.

Want him to stay? I've spent most of my life hating this guy. I want to beat them in the league, finish above them, then beat them in the FA Cup final in his last ever game to ruin his legacy and laugh him into retirement. Why would you want him to stay? Unless it's to laugh at those clowns on AFTV which to be fair would definitely be worth watching.

Ask any Arsenal fan this question and they'll give you the answer you're looking for, why do you think many fans what him to leave? Do you really think they care about finishing above Spurs DEEP DOWN, yeah it's good for banter I suppose but that isn't really getting to the crux of their issues. They have become stagnant and are not making any progress under Wenger any more anyone will tell you that.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Ask any Arsenal fan this question and they'll give you the answer you're looking for, why do you think many fans what him to leave? Do you really think they care about finishing above Spurs DEEP DOWN, yeah it's good for banter I suppose but that isn't really getting to the crux of their issues. They have become stagnant and are not making any progress under Wenger any more anyone will tell you that.

The Spurs banter is an aside to most of theirs - 13 years without a title considering their investments is more of a worry to many.

 

[nightgoat]

Really don't get why so many Spurs fans are creaming themselves over the idea of Wenger staying. Yes, they have badly regressed and had an awful season. Yes, they are unlikely to win the title any time soon without a major overhaul. And yes, many of their problems come down to Wenger. But let's not forget the important facts here. The guy has finished above us in twenty out of twenty seasons. I'll repeat that. TWENTY SEASONS IN A ROW. A 100% record. For every laugh we've had at that guy, he's laughed harder back at us. Why are so many of you so keen for a guy who has completely dominated us to carry on? We look back on the 80s as a golden era, where we had a few top four finishes, won a few FA Cups and played good football, whereas apparently this is the epitomy of failure for Wenger.

It's by no means guaranteed that a new manager with fresh ideas will come in and revitalise everything, even someone with supposed "pedigree". Remember how Redknapp/Jol were holding Spurs back and a talented, proven manager like AVB/Ramos were going to take us back to the top. Guess how that worked out. Big clubs aren't always guaranteed to dine at the top table - I'll point you to Liverpool who are historically bigger than Arsenal and have spent a fair bit of cash lately yet have only one top five finish and one League Cup from the last seven seasons to show for it because of piss poor management.

You know - they've had fewer points at this stage of the season before and still rallied to finish top 4 and ahead of us. Several times. I remember leaving WHL after beating them in 2013 to go 7 points clear at this stage of the season with our fans singing "We want you to stay" to Wenger. And they finished above us. They will pick up form inevitably, that is not up for debate, neither is the fact that we will go through a bad spell between now and the end of the season. I am just praying every day that we can hold on this time and finish the job.

Want him to stay? I've spent most of my life hating this guy. I want to beat them in the league, finish above them, then beat them in the FA Cup final in his last ever game to ruin his legacy and laugh him into retirement. Why would you want him to stay? Unless it's to laugh at those clowns on AFTV which to be fair would definitely be worth watching.

Because under Wenger they're stagnating. They expect to be challenging for the league every season yet they've only finished within less than 10 points of the league winners once since 2008. The teams at the top of the league have compressed and there's now six teams expected to challenge from the start of the season rather than two or three. With their resources - regular CL income, the biggest matchday income in the league, the ability to spend over £40m on single players and pay them huge salaries - they should actually be challenging, rather than fading away every February.

And yet the problems they have are the same problems they've had year on year - failure to sort their defence out, failure to buy a proper defensive midfielder. They've got to the point where they rely too heavily on one player, who supposedly wants to leave. Arsenal have been plateauing under Wenger for years, coasting along content to finish 3rd or 4th and keep their run of CL qualification going, even though they know they'll be out at the first knock out round.

If Wenger left and Arsenal brought in a top class manager who really went to town on their failings and made full use of the cash they've got lying around they could realistically win the league again. If Wenger stays they'll have some ups and downs, maybe win another FA Cup, but ultimately they'll do what they've done ever since they last won the league - stagnate, whilst the likes of us, Man City and Liverpool overtake them.

 

[DIEHARD]

If Wenger stays I think they will do well next season. I really think now they've come to a crossroad and they will spend big and big I mean they will bring in three or four stars which will sort out their team. Wenger is forced into a corner to turn things around and I think he will flex his principles somewhat and spend big

 

[widmerpool]

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[Shadydan]

If Wenger stays I think they will do well next season. I really think now they've come to a crossroad and they will spend big and big I mean they will bring in three or four stars which will sort out their team. Wenger is forced into a corner to turn things around and I think he will flex his principles somewhat and spend big

People say this every season, they've already spent big and bought stars which kind of suggests that buying the right players isn't their problem, their problem is first and foremost is their lack of winning mentality as a club which rubs off onto the manager and onto the players, they need to fix that before simply throwing money around.

 

[Dougal]

Son was the only Spurs player yesterday who cost over £15m and if Kane was fit Son wouldn't have even started. Money isn't the be all and end all. If it was Ozil would be up for player of the year. Arsenal's problems are much deeper at the moment. That said, they'll get top 4.

 

[DIEHARD]

People say this every season, they've already spent big and bought stars which kind of suggests that buying the right players isn't their problem, their problem is first and foremost is their lack of winning mentality as a club which rubs off onto the manager and onto the players, they need to fix that before simply throwing money around.

No other season has been like this season. The vitriol and protesting etc is not something he has experienced. If he stays I think it means the penny has dropped. Sometimes the penny just drops, you're in denial etc but think now he knows that this would be the real last chance saloon and he will be backed and he will spend.

Players bring in winning mentality and that will rub off on the existing players.

But that's my view. I could be totally wrong and he could be a stubborn old **** whose happy to earn 10m a year. If I earn 10m a year I wouldn't care what any of you fuckers said.

 

[Buggsy61]

Another thing counting against Wenger at present is that he seems to have lost his touch in developing young players and helping them reach their full potential.
Walcott seems to have stagnated and not lived up to his initial promise, Jack Wheelchair is out on loan and seemingly on his way out as is Jenkinson and Chambers. The Ox never seems to get the opportunity to put a run of games together and establish himself and is rightly peeved off, and wants to move if all is to be believed.
I remember all those years ago the media were jerking themselves off into a coma and Wengers kids were apparently going to take the world on................well.....they haven't!

 

[KILLA_SIN]

IF we had Cech, Bellerin, Mustafi, Konscielny, Xaka, Ozil, Sanchez based on repuation and price in our side we would expect to be higher than 6th 10 games out.

They have a legitimate concern, they may still finish in the top four, They have a very tough run-in, City,Wham,Palace,Leciester,Us, Utd and Everton to play but this time of year you need to be on a run of good results with momentum carrying you through, morale is at an all time low, defeats stacking up. Doesn't look good.

 

[Bobbins]

Whilst I usually agree with that sentiment and knowing that we could still finish below them and even have the possibility of losing to them in the FA Cup final, watching their fans lose their shit over him staying is too funny to pass up.

I'm enjoying it, just not counting any chickens. We've blown bigger leads over them at this stage of the season before.

 

[Dougal]

They could be 7th before they kick another ball.

 

[SUIYHA]

Ask any Arsenal fan this question and they'll give you the answer you're looking for, why do you think many fans what him to leave? Do you really think they care about finishing above Spurs DEEP DOWN, yeah it's good for banter I suppose but that isn't really getting to the crux of their issues. They have become stagnant and are not making any progress under Wenger any more anyone will tell you that.

Because under Wenger they're stagnating. They expect to be challenging for the league every season yet they've only finished within less than 10 points of the league winners once since 2008. The teams at the top of the league have compressed and there's now six teams expected to challenge from the start of the season rather than two or three. With their resources - regular CL income, the biggest matchday income in the league, the ability to spend over £40m on single players and pay them huge salaries - they should actually be challenging, rather than fading away every February.

And yet the problems they have are the same problems they've had year on year - failure to sort their defence out, failure to buy a proper defensive midfielder. They've got to the point where they rely too heavily on one player, who supposedly wants to leave. Arsenal have been plateauing under Wenger for years, coasting along content to finish 3rd or 4th and keep their run of CL qualification going, even though they know they'll be out at the first knock out round.

If Wenger left and Arsenal brought in a top class manager who really went to town on their failings and made full use of the cash they've got lying around they could realistically win the league again. If Wenger stays they'll have some ups and downs, maybe win another FA Cup, but ultimately they'll do what they've done ever since they last won the league - stagnate, whilst the likes of us, Man City and Liverpool overtake them.

Don't get me wrong. I understand why Arsenal fans want him to go. But the one thing you cannot knock him for is his ability to finish above us. 20 out of 20. Eleven different Spurs managers have tried and failed against him. Ginola, King, Keane, Defoe, Lennon, Berbatov, Bale, Modric, Van Der Vaart, Lloris, Eriksen, Kane, Alli....all the wonderful memories these guys gave us, and yet they were all in the shadow of Wenger and his superior side.

IF (and it's a big IF) we finish above them this season then I can understand laughing and singing about wanting him to stay. But otherwise, this is ridiculous. If you'd gone back to 1996 when we finished behind them on the final day of the season, having come above them in two of the previous three, and said that they're going to appoint a manager who is going to finish above us every single season for two decades but our fans are going to start singing "We want you to stay" at him while the run is still going, what would you think?!?!?!?

I want to end him this year. Smash them in the last NLD at the Lane, end the hoodoo of finishing below them, then smash them in the cup final, then don't give him a chance to get back at us next year. Tarnish the legend. Have the final say.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Really don't get why so many Spurs fans are creaming themselves over the idea of Wenger staying. Yes, they have badly regressed and had an awful season. Yes, they are unlikely to win the title any time soon without a major overhaul. And yes, many of their problems come down to Wenger. But let's not forget the important facts here. The guy has finished above us in twenty out of twenty seasons. I'll repeat that. TWENTY SEASONS IN A ROW. A 100% record. For every laugh we've had at that guy, he's laughed harder back at us. Why are so many of you so keen for a guy who has completely dominated us to carry on? We look back on the 80s as a golden era, where we had a few top four finishes, won a few FA Cups and played good football, whereas apparently this is the epitomy of failure for Wenger.

It's by no means guaranteed that a new manager with fresh ideas will come in and revitalise everything, even someone with supposed "pedigree". Remember how Redknapp/Jol were holding Spurs back and a talented, proven manager like AVB/Ramos were going to take us back to the top. Guess how that worked out. Big clubs aren't always guaranteed to dine at the top table - I'll point you to Liverpool who are historically bigger than Arsenal and have spent a fair bit of cash lately yet have only one top five finish and one League Cup from the last seven seasons to show for it because of piss poor management.

You know - they've had fewer points at this stage of the season before and still rallied to finish top 4 and ahead of us. Several times. I remember leaving WHL after beating them in 2013 to go 7 points clear at this stage of the season with our fans singing "We want you to stay" to Wenger. And they finished above us. They will pick up form inevitably, that is not up for debate, neither is the fact that we will go through a bad spell between now and the end of the season. I am just praying every day that we can hold on this time and finish the job.

Want him to stay? I've spent most of my life hating this guy. I want to beat them in the league, finish above them, then beat them in the FA Cup final in his last ever game to ruin his legacy and laugh him into retirement. Why would you want him to stay? Unless it's to laugh at those clowns on AFTV which to be fair would definitely be worth watching.

Yes Arsenal could do a United but they equally could do a Chelsea, get a good manager like Allegri, buy a shit load of players and be very strong again. I prefer the devil I know and with Wenger at best they are stagnating.

I will not laugh at being above them, never have it always bites you in the arse but that there are so disjointed is very funny.

What is keeping them even in the top 6 race is one man named Sanchez, he goes in the summer and even a few good signings will struggle to replace him. A few more years of stagnation and as long as we keep developing we will at some point overtake them.

They have big advantages in resources compared to us, we are overachieving, they are underachieving, I want it to remain that way. Yes Wenger has been amazing but he is not as good as he was.

 

[Dougal]

I want to end him this year. Smash them in the last NLD at the Lane, end the hoodoo of finishing below them, then smash them in the cup final, then don't give him a chance to get back at us next year. Tarnish the legend. Have the final say.

That treble is what's killing me at the moment. We all want to finish above them, beat them at the last NLD at the Lane and beat them in the Cup Final but these are huge goals for us and just one out of the 3 would live long in the memory. The 'S' word is to get none of them.

 

[tony0379]

I'm enjoying it, just not counting any chickens. We've blown bigger leads over them at this stage of the season before.

I'm waiting for the some of our tards to roll out the "mind the gap" bullshit