Arsenal

[Frozen_Waffles]

To be honest, I have been really surprised how people have got behind Arteta from the start. Why?

Then it got me thinking, he sounds like the ideal middle class manager.

He's nice
He's always well groomed and dressed
Your gran would like him
He never gets angry
He speaks in a friendly way
He is always careful with his words

He is like Gareth Southgate with a little more charisma.

Then why all the mourihno hate (at the other end of the scale)

He's not nice (to the media)
He sometimes looks too good
Your gran would like him a bit too much
He's not afraid to show he is angry
He always speaks his mind or uses the media to his advantage

Arteta reminds of the number 2 in Mike Bassett. I think it's as simple as your grans thought process "he seems nice, he must be a great manager". Basically Brian Kidd mark two.

 

[rez9000]

To be honest, I have been really surprised how people have got behind Arteta from the start. Why?

Then it got me thinking, he sounds like the ideal middle class manager.

He's nice
He's always well groomed and dressed
Your gran would like him
He never gets angry
He speaks in a friendly way
He is always careful with his words

He is like Gareth Southgate with a little more charisma.

Then why all the mourihno hate (at the other end of the scale)

He's not nice (to the media)
He sometimes looks too good
Your gran would like him a bit too much
He's not afraid to show he is angry
He always speaks his mind or uses the media to his advantage

Arteta reminds of the number 2 in Mike Bassett. I think it's as simple as your grans thought process "he seems nice, he must be a great manager". Basically Brian Kidd mark two.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I can’t remember anyone expecting Sherwood to step up to become ‘the next big manager’ personally. Anyone who heard him him open his mouth thought he was a twat, and I hated pretty much every moment of him managing our club.

Wrong thread, but still gonna disagree with this, I enjoyed the football on show with Sherwood. Remember, he was given only a one and a half year contract and he did pretty well in his half a season and got Adebayor firing again and introduced the alot of youngsters.

Not the best manager we have ever had, but certainly not the worst. I think the difference is I don't watch football for press conferences or interviews, I watch football for footballs sake. And the football on show for that half season was entertaining.

 

[Timberwolf]

Wrong thread, but still gonna disagree with this, I enjoyed the football on show with Sherwood. Remember, he was given only a one and a half year contract and he did pretty well in his half a season and got Adebayor firing again and introduced the alot of youngsters.

Not the best manager we have ever had, but certainly not the worst. I think the difference is I don't watch football for press conferences or interviews, I watch football for footballs sake. And the football on show for that half season was entertaining.

I have to agree actually. Sherwood was a tactical disaster and would've ruined us if he'd stayed any longer but he does deserve some credit.

I think there's a good chance Kane never breaks through at Spurs if it isn't for Tactics Tim. He had the balls to start him over much bigger names at the tail end of the season during which he got his first proper run of games first team and a handful of goals.

People give Poch all the credit but maybe if Tim hadn't trusted in Kane we would've sent him on loan or Poch wouldn't have brought him through through so quickly (and it still took him a couple of months despite him doing well the previous season).

 

[SUIYHA]

Their squad is no way as good as that. We had a great group of players.

Bent, Bentley, O'Hara, Zokora, Gunter, Hutton, Jenas, Frazier Campbell.......come on there was a reason we had two points from eight games.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

What’s great about all this is that we aren’t even laughing at them anymore, we can all see the horrendous mess they are in and talk about them like we would talk about Burnley, or West Brom, I.e a team that is not a rival to us. The last ten or so posts are similar to what I’ve been talking to my Arsenal supporting mate about and he completely agrees.

He sees that the club is rotten from top to bottom and can see no way out of the mess they find themselves in. They have a team that could go and win 3 or 4 games in a row and then lose the next 4. Massively inconsistent and a bad mentality for the game. That’s a recipe for disaster and as Spurs fans we know exactly how that feels to be in that position. There was a time in the 90’s when we had a team full of 30+ year olds that I wanted us to go down as I saw it the only way of rebuilding the entire squad, luckily a couple of years later ENIC bought us and we have been on an upward curve ever since.

It took us a good few years of better board management to get us back up the table and I think Arsenal may be in a similar position as to we were then.

It’s great isn’t it.....! ?

I cant see them doing that I don't think they are capable

 

[Tucker]

Basically Brian Kidd mark two.

Don’t agree with all the weird class stuff you were on about, but this four word remark hits the nail firmly on the head for me. I remember when Kidd took over at Blackburn who were a good side, but in decline, kind of like Arsenal now. It was a disaster. Highly rated no2’s don’t always make good managers, some times they are just good at being a coach and the players buddy in the coaching team etc.

 

[dontcallme]

Don’t agree with all the weird class stuff you were on about, but this four word remark hits the nail firmly on the head for me. I remember when Kidd took over at Blackburn who were a good side, but in decline, kind of like Arsenal now. It was a disaster. Highly rated no2’s don’t always make good managers, some times they are just good at being a coach and the players buddy in the coaching team etc.

It seems to me that Arteta is a reasonable coach. There have been a few signs of improvement in play but on the pitch he has completely failed to utilise PEA.

It seems he is not really managing anything. They're clearly in trouble and it seems no one is grabbing the situation by the scruff of the neck.

Arteta might be able to go to Spain and be a head coach at a team with a good scouting system and DOF.

I believe Arsenal's problems go way deeper than the manager but it appears Arteta is not the man for this position. Except from a rival fan point of view, I'm enjoying it.

 

[DJS]

To be honest, I have been really surprised how people have got behind Arteta from the start. Why?

Then it got me thinking, he sounds like the ideal middle class manager.

He's nice
He's always well groomed and dressed
Your gran would like him
He never gets angry
He speaks in a friendly way
He is always careful with his words

He is like Gareth Southgate with a little more charisma.

Then why all the mourihno hate (at the other end of the scale)

He's not nice (to the media)
He sometimes looks too good
Your gran would like him a bit too much
He's not afraid to show he is angry
He always speaks his mind or uses the media to his advantage

Arteta reminds of the number 2 in Mike Bassett. I think it's as simple as your grans thought process "he seems nice, he must be a great manager". Basically Brian Kidd mark two.

He also looks really swish and stylish and has cool jet black hair (which may or may not be dyed now due to stress).

 

[Tucker]

It seems to me that Arteta is a reasonable coach. There have been a few signs of improvement in play but on the pitch he has completely failed to utilise PEA.

It seems he is not really managing anything. They're clearly in trouble and it seems no one is grabbing the situation by the scruff of the neck.

Arteta might be able to go to Spain and be a head coach at a team with a good scouting system and DOF.

I believe Arsenal's problems go way deeper than the manager but it appears Arteta is not the man for this position. Except from a rival fan point of view, I'm enjoying it.

He seems to be having trouble being flexible with his game plan, it’s plan A or nothing right now, and plan A doesn’t seem to be creating many scoring chances for him. He might be stymied by poor recruitment and various other issues at the club, but surely he can sort out a system that works for the players he has? It’s not like he only has shit players to work with, he has some talented players even if some of them are long in the tooth.

 

[dontcallme]

He seems to be having trouble being flexible with his game plan, it’s plan A or nothing right now, and plan A doesn’t seem to be creating many scoring chances for him. He might be stymied by poor recruitment and various other issues at the club, but surely he can sort out a system that works for the players he has? It’s not like he only has shit players to work with, he has some talented players even if some of them are long in the tooth.

I agree. Despite a few improvements in play he hasn't set them up in a way where they can score.

They just look really low on ideas. Whoever takes over has a difficult job on his hands but they have some talent there.

If we were playing a team in Europe and they had PEA, Lacazaette and Ozil in the front 3 I'd be expecting a tough game.

As funny as I found it, I wasn't that surprised by Burnley beating them.

 

[King of Otters]

Wrong thread, but still gonna disagree with this, I enjoyed the football on show with Sherwood. Remember, he was given only a one and a half year contract and he did pretty well in his half a season and got Adebayor firing again and introduced the alot of youngsters.

Not the best manager we have ever had, but certainly not the worst. I think the difference is I don't watch football for press conferences or interviews, I watch football for footballs sake. And the football on show for that half season was entertaining.

There were some moments of optimism early on, but it turned very sour by the end of the season. There is a reason why he was sacked after 6 months, and it wasn’t just because he came across like an embarrassing dad in his press conferences.

 

[Tucker]

I agree. Despite a few improvements in play he hasn't set them up in a way where they can score.

They just look really low on ideas. Whoever takes over has a difficult job on his hands but they have some talent there.

If we were playing a team in Europe and they had PEA, Lacazaette and Ozil in the front 3 I'd be expecting a tough game.

As funny as I found it, I wasn't that surprised by Burnley beating them.

The one thing he deserves a little credit for is making them less hilarious in defence, but like we both agree, they are turgid up front. I knew they wouldn’t break Burnley down as much like us, they love defending crosses. They could have played for a week against us and not scored.

 

[Shadydan]

The one thing he deserves a little credit for is making them less hilarious in defence, but like we both agree, they are turgid up front. I knew they wouldn’t break Burnley down as much like us, they love defending crosses. They could have played for a week against us and not scored.

Because he's put 10 men behind the ball, pretty sure I could have done that

 

[spursfan77]

Bent, Bentley, O'Hara, Zokora, Gunter, Hutton, Jenas, Frazier Campbell.......come on there was a reason we had two points from eight games.

You're just proving my point....

 

[RickyVilla]

Walnut

 

[cjbyid]

Do we reckon Arteta goes tonight if they lose? ?

 

[Trix]

Wrong thread, but still gonna disagree with this, I enjoyed the football on show with Sherwood. Remember, he was given only a one and a half year contract and he did pretty well in his half a season and got Adebayor firing again and introduced the alot of youngsters.

Not the best manager we have ever had, but certainly not the worst. I think the difference is I don't watch football for press conferences or interviews, I watch football for footballs sake. And the football on show for that half season was entertaining.

But it was a complete clusterfuck behind the scenes. We'd have been in real trouble had he carried on into a second season.

 

[kaz Hirai]

They're are desperately poor. We really made them look better than they are to the casual observer with our tactic of giving up possession.

They truly are in their christian Gross era

 

[Trix]

Do we reckon Arteta goes tonight if they lose? ?

Not now West Brom have got the jump on big Sam.

Lol