Arteta for England?

[Da_One]

If we win the euros or world cup then no one will care. Take a look at Germany with all the polish.

 

[Luka Lennon]

our manager is a fecking Italian who never played in England and probably never lived here until he got paid a stupid ammount of money to come over and fail miserably

Arteta on the other hand has lived here for ages and is a quality player who now possesses British citizenship so why the hell not he's quality and he certainly deserves to be part of the England set up more so than Crapello

 

[PT]

The day that the walls come down on the integrity of earning an England cap will be the death of International football in its present form.

Instead the Champions League will get just that little bit more important and club football will be elevated, shoving the international game further down the pecking order.

 

[Shanks]

I think yes.

All national teams do it, even the top ones.

 

[Goldman]

100% yes, if it improves the squad then im behind it.

 

[Luka Lennon]

The day that the walls come down on the integrity of earning an England cap will be the death of International football in its present form.

Instead the Champions League will get just that little bit more important and club football will be elevated, shoving the international game further down the pecking order.

what do you even mean by this?

this type of thing has been going on for ages the world over

the day thugs like Terry get given the captaincy well integrity has went out the window along time ago

Arteta is a British citizen now which is more than I can say about our manager

 

[PT]

what do you even mean by this?

this type of thing has been going on for ages the world over

the day thugs like Terry get given the captaincy well integrity has went out the window along time ago

Arteta is a British citizen now which is more than I can say about our manager

Your point about Capello is moot. The F.A. has since conceded that English players react better to an English coach by admitting that Capello's replacement will be English.

There are many journeymen continental players in England who could qualify for England, including our own Cudicini and the Arsenal keeper who shouldn't even be occupying that position when there are keepers like Foster and Given moving about close season.

However, what is the problem with eleven Englishmen taking to the field representing England, rather than eleven British citizens (are you including Scotish, Irish and Welsh?) donning the Three Lions shirt so we may just have a better opportunity of winning a World Cup that would mean nothing other than "The Best Team Won"?

 

[wizgell]

Germany,Spain,Portugal etc have all taken advantage of players having their citizenship in the past. We need to make the most of this opportunity. Arteta is a class act.

 

[PT]

I guess I'm sinking fast here lol

 

[PT]

Oh and I meant to say that John Terry should never have been given the England Captaincy.

 

[Pringle]

i totally agree with you PT. If we start letting "citizens" get a cap for our country then it just wont be the same anymore. It will signal the beginning of the end as soon as we do it once - yes i know others have done it before, but we havent done it to this extent and i hope that doesnt change. So many of the players mentioned earlier in the thread do have relatives of their new nationality - Arteta qualifies purely because he has lived here X amount of years. If we were to start including the likes of Arteta then it would be just like watching club football. I love watching a team full of englishmen represent our country and hope that never changes

 

[danielneeds]

i totally agree with you PT. If we start letting "citizens" get a cap for our country then it just wont be the same anymore. It will signal the beginning of the end as soon as we do it once - yes i know others have done it before, but we havent done it to this extent and i hope that doesnt change. So many of the players mentioned earlier in the thread do have relatives of their new nationality - Arteta qualifies purely because he has lived here X amount of years. If we were to start including the likes of Arteta then it would be just like watching club football. I love watching a team full of englishmen represent our country and hope that never changes

The world is changing, its globalised. John Barnes was born in Jamaica to Jamaican parents, yet he still played with distinction (well, sometimes) for England.

As others have said, Portugal, Spain, Germany, they have all had naturalised citizens playing for them, its this small island mentality that has held us back.

I am not saying bus in players from everywhere and stick them in the 3 lions, but for exceptional cases, why not embrace true talent?

 

[Pringle]

The world is changing, its globalised. John Barnes was born in Jamaica to Jamaican parents, yet he still played with distinction (well, sometimes) for England.

As others have said, Portugal, Spain, Germany, they have all had naturalised citizens playing for them, its this small island mentality that has held us back.

I am not saying bus in players from everywhere and stick them in the 3 lions, but for exceptional cases, why not embrace true talent?

I think this the problem is that once you do it for 1 player, it will then mean more and more will come. Managers are there to get success and if they think using players like Arteta will help them then they will do so. At the moment we havent done it, but IMO as soon as 1 have done it once - every other manager we have will follow suit. International football is so different to club football for me - international football is about representing your country no matter how good they are, club football is about winning

 

[LSUY]

If Arteta wants to play for England because he now feels he is English then I have no problem with him playing. If he wants to play for England simply because he wants to play international football & knows he won't make the Spain team then I would have a problem with him playing for us.

Take a look at Germany with all the polish.

There is a slight difference between Arteta playing for England and the likes of Klose playing for Germany. Klose and Podolski may have been born in Poland but like most Silesian Germans they view themselves as German and not Polish, hence why Podolski doesn't have a Polish passport.

 

[mattdefoe]

living in our country to our rules,ways,ethics,morales what not. Arteta is what we need to show that a spanish 10th choice or whatever is still better than our 1st choices!

 

[ravo]

The moment the gates are opened we go the route of Arsenal. Also let's be honest, if players of other original nationalities can't get a cap off their home nation, why should England give them the honour of an international cap which would only sit awkwardly with them in their dotage.

They (England) do it in every other sport...