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whitestreak

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One win at Reading won't scatter the vultures loitering over the new Tottenham manager, their wings flaring angrily in Harry Redknapp's sinking sun. But then the vulture was not designed to dissemble. Its head leers hideously from that hunched cape, as though from a stained old mackintosh. A creature that ugly could not possibly be a vegetarian. Sure enough, those eager to depict Andre Villas-Boas as carrion – not least those Spurs fans who had booed his new team's first skirmishes together – seem most provoked by his very youth, polish and glamour.

They see AVB's vanity as seamless: his intellectual pride extending to a broader self-regard, a precocious assumption of superiority over a slack-featured old man, who himself played up to an image of unpretentious semi-literacy, and credited his success to sheer human instinct and warmth. In short, they suspect that AVB "fancies himself". And, reduced to a privileged Iberian dilettante, murmuring compliments to the mirror in five languages as he manicures his stubble, he might in turn betray an equally superficial complacency in those methods that likewise set him apart from his predecessor.
Last week Redknapp lampooned the coaching style associated with his successor in terms that will have made equal sense to both camps. To AVB, in fact, the very suggestion that 70-page dossiers merely mess with players' heads will expose the limits of Redknapp's ambition. A primitive dependence on intuition and gumption was never going to introduce the flexibilities required to take Spurs – wholesomely restored as they were – to the next level. OK, so maybe it's not rocket science. But nor is it just a case of telling them to "effing run about a bit".
To cut-the-crap Redknapp, sophistry and sophistication are one and the same. He scoffs at agonised cerebration over formations. Some of this may be bluff. But he plainly mistrusts those pilots who explain the exhilaration of flight by reference to all those dials and buttons on the console.
In the media, at least, the AVB debate has found a new crucible in the arrival of Hugo Lloris. Never mind the relative roles of the manager and his employer, Daniel Levy. The net result is a choice between a seasoned Premier League professional whose experience (and, therefore, reliability) is eloquently evinced by the fact that he is entirely bald, and a Continental interloper with a youthful shock of dark hair and romantic cheekbones.
It is no coincidence, presumably, that Lloris has chosen shirt No 25. That is his age, as a goalkeeper entering his prime, already world-class and 16 years younger than Brad Friedel. The veteran's sprightly response has delighted those imploring AVB to fail. Ostensibly, he must now deal with the captain of France fuming on the bench. But the bottom line is that one of the key positions in the squad is now secured for its medium-term evolution. And if Lloris has to endure the indignity of a few weeks' observation, while adjusting to his defenders and their language in cup games, big deal.
Heurelho Gomes, for one, might well have been grateful for some such transition. And who knows? From the sidelines, Lloris might well resolve to redress the veteran incumbent's culpable reluctance to leave his goal-line. Ultimately, all parties can and will be sensible about this. Friedel already knew perfectly well he would not be No 1 next season. Levy has avoided a shotgun wedding in the summer. And Lloris, with his excellent distribution, will very soon be the bedrock of a team aspiring to something more lasting than living on its wits. The keeper-sweeper role, after all, is just the kind of thing that might have featured in those "long, boring speeches on tactics" that maddened Rafael van der Vaart before Redknapp rescued him from Real Madrid.
In the end, when Redknapp's men asked themselves whether they had a head for heights, they succumbed to vertigo. If his apologists portray last Sunday as meaningless, they will doubtless take the same view of the fact that it was only Tottenham's second away league win of 2012.
Whether he benched Friedel or Lloris, you could guarantee that AVB was always going to be accused of disrespectful man-management, of an arrogant failure to learn his lessons at Chelsea. Yet while all the new signings bed down, he is already disclosing fresh dimensions in some – Sandro, most obviously – who had seemed to reach their limits either in Redknapp's mind or his tactics.
Though QPR will be no pushover tomorrow, the vultures have booked a committee meeting for Old Trafford next weekend. Spurs always roll over obediently there. And then just wait for mid-November, and consecutive away games at Manchester City, Arsenal and Lazio. How succulent a prey he will be, this preening, condescending usurper of pally 'Arry!
Well, let's see. The battle lines are drawn. One camp – the vultures, or those they mock as believing in Santa Claus – is going to enjoy its Christmas turkey a good deal more than another. To some of us, however, there is already evidence that AVB is both old and ugly enough for the beautiful game.
 

whitelightwhiteheat

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Jul 21, 2006
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Chris McGrath..good writer!

Nice one. Is the tide finally turning in AVB's favour?

My guess is the next time we lose they'll be on his back again. That will be the case until AVB stamps his authority on us completely and we cement our place at the top of the table/win a major trophy. Then maybe they'll leave him alone to get on with the job (I'm not holding my breath!)
 

Blackcanary

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Nice one. Is the tide finally turning in AVB's favour?

My guess is the next time we lose they'll be on his back again. That will be the case until AVB stamps his authority on us completely and we cement our place at the top of the table/win a major trophy. Then maybe they'll leave him alone to get on with the job (I'm not holding my breath!)

Weirdly, a few minutes ago the soccer saturday pundits, who were all slagging AVB off last week, were saying that people should give him a chance. Also, they pretty much admitted that there were those in football media who wanted AVB to fail because of their close relationship with Harry.

So yes, fingers crossed, it does appear we've turned a corner.

OP: Thank you for the article - I loved the bit about Lloris' 'romantic cheekbones'!:LOL:
 

whitelightwhiteheat

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Jul 21, 2006
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Weirdly, a few minutes ago the soccer saturday pundits, who were all slagging AVB off last week, were saying that people should give him a chance. Also, they pretty much admitted that there were those in football media who wanted to fail because of their close relationship with Harry.

So yes, fingers crossed, it does appear we've turned a corner.

OP: Thank you for the article - I loved the bit about Lloris' 'romantic cheekbones'!:LOL:

The SS pundits blow with the wind with their opinions. It's a shame, there used to be a show worth watching there! Now they peddle the same old shite. They need a reboot I think... a clear out of pundits and just start again in my opinion.

People like Jason Roberts show it can be done for me, I quite like listening to Roberts, decent chap, good opinions on the game, no hint of bias, usually! Nice one.
 

gilzeantheking

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Jun 16, 2011
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Excellent article, but you can't help feeling that anything but a win will turn the tide against AVB again tomorrow. People call Spurs fans fickle, we are amateurs compared to the great British media :whistle:
 

StartingPrice

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Weirdly, a few minutes ago the soccer saturday pundits, who were all slagging AVB off last week, were saying that people should give him a chance. Also, they pretty much admitted that there were those in football media who wanted to fail because of their close relationship with Harry.

So yes, fingers crossed, it does appear we've turned a corner.

OP: Thank you for the article - I loved the bit about Lloris' 'romantic cheekbones'!:LOL:

...who wanted AVB to fail... - sorry for being pedantic, but it really does read like you are imputing a causality between Journos wanting themselves to fail (in some kinda Lemming-fixation, I presume) and their relationship with Mr Redknapp and I know what wasn't your purpose (think yerself lucky - I normally lampoon those who make such errors mercilessly, some I even harpoon :eek:) (y)

p.s. I find the rimantic cheekbones rather amusing, too :)
 

Blackcanary

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...who wanted AVB to fail... - sorry for being pedantic, but it really does read like you are imputing a causality between Journos wanting themselves to fail (in some kinda Lemming-fixation, I presume) and their relationship with Mr Redknapp and I know what wasn't your purpose (think yerself lucky - I normally lampoon those who make such errors mercilessly, some I even harpoon :eek:) (y)

p.s. I find the rimantic cheekbones rather amusing, too :)

D'oh, thank you, i've edited it now. And i'm normally such a pedant for that sort of thing myself...:oops:
 

StartingPrice

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D'oh, thank you, i've edited it now. And i'm normally such a pedant for that sort of thing myself...:oops:

We are all too human :mad:

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Limee

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Also, they pretty much admitted that there were those in football media who wanted AVB to fail because of their close relationship with Harry.

That's exactly how it will be spun if he is a success. It will be "AVB had his doubters" ignoring the fact that they were the ones doing the doubting.

+1 on the romantic cheekbones!
 

Dov67

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And yet if you put it to Harry's little soldiers in the media that they have an axe to grind because their man got fired they bristle with all the self righteous indignation they can muster. Ironic since every one of these fair and impartial journalists would have been very happy had Harry abandoned us in February to take up his rightful place as Ingerlund Manager!

Eventually Roy will get the same treatment and all this Harry for Ingerlund bollox will start all over again!
 

Greenspur

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Weirdly, a few minutes ago the soccer saturday pundits, who were all slagging AVB off last week, were saying that people should give him a chance. Also, they pretty much admitted that there were those in football media who wanted AVB to fail because of their close relationship with Harry.

So yes, fingers crossed, it does appear we've turned a corner.

OP: Thank you for the article - I loved the bit about Lloris' 'romantic cheekbones'!:LOL:

Except Jeff Stelling, who was quite nasty. I though the others were ok, especially Charlie Nicholas (who'd have thought it). But I thought that JS was really over the top. I am starting to go off him.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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One win at Reading won't scatter the vultures loitering over the new Tottenham manager, their wings flaring angrily in Harry Redknapp's sinking sun. But then the vulture was not designed to dissemble. Its head leers hideously from that hunched cape, as though from a stained old mackintosh. A creature that ugly could not possibly be a vegetarian. Sure enough, those eager to depict Andre Villas-Boas as carrion – not least those Spurs fans who had booed his new team's first skirmishes together – seem most provoked by his very youth, polish and glamour.

They see AVB's vanity as seamless: his intellectual pride extending to a broader self-regard, a precocious assumption of superiority over a slack-featured old man, who himself played up to an image of unpretentious semi-literacy, and credited his success to sheer human instinct and warmth. In short, they suspect that AVB "fancies himself". And, reduced to a privileged Iberian dilettante, murmuring compliments to the mirror in five languages as he manicures his stubble, he might in turn betray an equally superficial complacency in those methods that likewise set him apart from his predecessor.
Last week Redknapp lampooned the coaching style associated with his successor in terms that will have made equal sense to both camps. To AVB, in fact, the very suggestion that 70-page dossiers merely mess with players' heads will expose the limits of Redknapp's ambition. A primitive dependence on intuition and gumption was never going to introduce the flexibilities required to take Spurs – wholesomely restored as they were – to the next level. OK, so maybe it's not rocket science. But nor is it just a case of telling them to "effing run about a bit".
To cut-the-crap Redknapp, sophistry and sophistication are one and the same. He scoffs at agonised cerebration over formations. Some of this may be bluff. But he plainly mistrusts those pilots who explain the exhilaration of flight by reference to all those dials and buttons on the console.
In the media, at least, the AVB debate has found a new crucible in the arrival of Hugo Lloris. Never mind the relative roles of the manager and his employer, Daniel Levy. The net result is a choice between a seasoned Premier League professional whose experience (and, therefore, reliability) is eloquently evinced by the fact that he is entirely bald, and a Continental interloper with a youthful shock of dark hair and romantic cheekbones.
It is no coincidence, presumably, that Lloris has chosen shirt No 25. That is his age, as a goalkeeper entering his prime, already world-class and 16 years younger than Brad Friedel. The veteran's sprightly response has delighted those imploring AVB to fail. Ostensibly, he must now deal with the captain of France fuming on the bench. But the bottom line is that one of the key positions in the squad is now secured for its medium-term evolution. And if Lloris has to endure the indignity of a few weeks' observation, while adjusting to his defenders and their language in cup games, big deal.
Heurelho Gomes, for one, might well have been grateful for some such transition. And who knows? From the sidelines, Lloris might well resolve to redress the veteran incumbent's culpable reluctance to leave his goal-line. Ultimately, all parties can and will be sensible about this. Friedel already knew perfectly well he would not be No 1 next season. Levy has avoided a shotgun wedding in the summer. And Lloris, with his excellent distribution, will very soon be the bedrock of a team aspiring to something more lasting than living on its wits. The keeper-sweeper role, after all, is just the kind of thing that might have featured in those "long, boring speeches on tactics" that maddened Rafael van der Vaart before Redknapp rescued him from Real Madrid.
In the end, when Redknapp's men asked themselves whether they had a head for heights, they succumbed to vertigo. If his apologists portray last Sunday as meaningless, they will doubtless take the same view of the fact that it was only Tottenham's second away league win of 2012.
Whether he benched Friedel or Lloris, you could guarantee that AVB was always going to be accused of disrespectful man-management, of an arrogant failure to learn his lessons at Chelsea. Yet while all the new signings bed down, he is already disclosing fresh dimensions in some – Sandro, most obviously – who had seemed to reach their limits either in Redknapp's mind or his tactics.
Though QPR will be no pushover tomorrow, the vultures have booked a committee meeting for Old Trafford next weekend. Spurs always roll over obediently there. And then just wait for mid-November, and consecutive away games at Manchester City, Arsenal and Lazio. How succulent a prey he will be, this preening, condescending usurper of pally 'Arry!
Well, let's see. The battle lines are drawn. One camp – the vultures, or those they mock as believing in Santa Claus – is going to enjoy its Christmas turkey a good deal more than another. To some of us, however, there is already evidence that AVB is both old and ugly enough for the beautiful game.


I just came into here to post this very story. It was by Chris McGrath in the Independent (saturday) by the way:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ull-flight-8163783.html?origin=internalSearch

Very astute piece of journalism.
 

Ledders Army

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Thanks for posting, that was a great read and at last some positivity. Might be a tough season, sure they'll be loses to teams we should beat comfortably and we'll struggle to get the break through in certain home games, but we've got to give AVB at least 2 years to implement his ideas and we must back him in the transfer market. If we can be within 8 points of 4th when the Jan window opens hopefully Levy will give AVB the 2 players he wants and we can get champs league. If it takes longer, we're inconsistent and way off 4th by Jan, still need to stick with him. It's great to be reading about a coach with tactics, for a change there's some interesting football articles in the papers,normally that's reserved for cricket, golf or Union. The Sun might not like him but I'm not sure many football fans pay much attention to what that paper writes anymore.
 
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