AVB on Modric & Daniel Levy

[Lo Amo Speroni]

I don't think Modric should be allowed to train with the first team whilst the saga is going on. I don't want this contaminating the rest of the squad, like last season. Keep him separate, and then if the transfer doesn't happen reintegrate him in Sep.

If for whatever reason the move does not go ahead, I want him fit and knowing the new system. Get him with the squad and playing is my view.

 

[danielneeds]

Did it contaminate the rest of the squad last season?

Well there was something not right in the first two games of the season, regardless of how strong the opposition were.

I just think it makes sense to keep him separate if he sees no future for himself here.

 

[sloth]

Against Utd at OT I agree it did effect us adversely as he didn't even play, and if he did we might have done better; especially as we more than held our own for most of that game. It wasn't helped by playing Defoe as the loan striker however, but at least Utd went 442.

Against City at home, he did play, but the reason we did so poorly was the suicidal team Redknapp put out; Krancjar and Modric as CM pair against the three CMs of City??? Fucking ridiculous... and yet so typically Harry...

After that though Modric was a huge asset to the team, and we were far better over the course of a season having retained him than we would have been if Redknapp had got is way and we'd sold him and got two or three others in - I reckon Harry could have done a deal on Joe Cole, Michael Owen, Kenwyn Jones and Phil Neville for that money, and still probably had change to bring Chimbonda back to the club!!!

 

[alamo]

Grumpy Modric returns to training... midfielder ends Spurs exile but does not look happy about it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178224/Luke-Modric-returns-Spurs-training.html

A few pics in that article - two of Modric in training, one of the lads in the States and.....
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The very first AVB crouch in Spurs gear!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Grumpy Modric returns to training... midfielder ends Spurs exile but does not look happy about it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178224/Luke-Modric-returns-Spurs-training.html

A few pics in that article - two of Modric in training, one of the lads in the States and.....
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wait for it.....
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The very first AVB crouch in Spurs gear!

When we score we should all crouch.

 

[StartingPrice]

Did it contaminate the rest of the squad last season?

Yup...several of the payers were taken down with symptoms that ranged from growing whiskers and long, thin, hairless tails, to extra large incisors and a nasty habit of spreading bubonic plague

 

[StartingPrice]

Grumpy Modric returns to training... midfielder ends Spurs exile but does not look happy about it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178224/Luke-Modric-returns-Spurs-training.html

A few pics in that article - two of Modric in training, one of the lads in the States and.....
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wait for it.....
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The very first AVB crouch in Spurs gear!

Please, someone, give 'im a slap...



...and Bentley

AVB looks like he's got one of them really hard numbers lodged up somewhere in the small intestines

 

[Misfit]

Bentley really is a plum.

 

[StartingPrice]

Don't say Prize Plum - you might upset certain authority figures

 

[ultimateloner]

1) I have done and I do. In several threads over the alst couple of months I have pointed out that when we first signed him I specifically stated that if we got three years out of him and then made a huge profit I would be happy as he was clearly an immense talent (that at a time when most folk on these forums thought he was gonna be a flop, I may add) - so I have absolutely no issue with the theoretical concept of him leaving to a European giant.

2) Hasn't it. The club offered him a 6 year contract with the promise of building a team around him, and we are one of the best run, financially secure and ambitious clubs in the EPL and, basically, a top four team. And that at wages pushing £75 - £80 K pw (ignore the talk of £40 k pw). There is a contract offer on the table as we speak, reputedly for upwards of £100 K pw. Inspite of all of this (particularly the building a team around him), we have shown ourselves willing to listen to reasonable offers for him. Seems to me like the club has shown a massive amount of consideration to his career.

I agree with this.

3) Yes, I have made the same point myself, several times - but, there again, at 26 he could still give us another two years and still only be 28. And, if he had not kyboshed our first two games last season, and actually put in 100% (no, I don't believe he did - not an absolute disgrace, but not 100% either), we might jsut have finished third and he could've been playing for a CL team, or, at the least, he could be leaving us all happy and waving him off. But, talking about consideration, surely he must recognise, aside from his actual effect on whether we finished 3rd or 4th, that we did actually finish 4th and are desperately unlucky to not be in the CL, and think it might be nice to give us one last year to get us firmly in the top 4...now that would be showing consideration!

We both agree the risk he has if he fails to move soon. I disagree with your blame on him for us failing to get third (which you put aside so i woudl consider now). I don't think it's 1 player's fault. I also don't think his decision should take into consideration us deserving but failing to get CL. 1 year delay is 1/10th-ish of his career and it's what happened, not what might have been, that matters.

4) No, he really doesn't. He moved immediately, last Summer, trying to force a move, after Cheslea offered £23 million. This Summer the only figure we have EVER been given as being what Real are prepared to pay is £27 millionand that is not market value.

In hindsight, i agree. He has little interest in what we receive from selling him.

5) Are we? See 4, above. The only value EVER to ahve been quoted as being what Real are prepared to pay is £27 million (oh, yeah, and Carvalho - who they are letting go for free anyway ),and, are you awaare, Dinamo Zagreb can claim five percent of that(?), and the figure I have seen most often as what we are prepared to accept is not £40 million, it is £35 million. Personally, I think that is pretty generous. We offered that, or more, last Summer, adn the player has enhanced his reputation at the Euros, while he still has 4 years on his contract. Afaiac, £27 million would be a stinky shitey cloth that I would throw back at them for the low-balling insult it is. Unless you have any evidence that they have offered £35 million and we have point blank refused to negotiate, this claim is unsupportable.

6) What does that even mean? Redknapp marginalised Corluka/Krankjar on the field - there were worth considerably more than what? What Levy got for them? I don't think so.

I'm saying if you were Modric and you see players moving on for significantly less wheres you can't move for the same discount then you ahve reason to be upset. I made the assumption that we took losses on both Corluka and Kranjcar. As both you and another poster said there is no evidence so can't be part of the argument; however I feel this is likely and as i am speaking what i think he thinks i include this.

7) Neither myself nor anyone else, so far as I know, could give a monkeys bollock if he laments. What we do care about is that he is (apparently) refusing to do what he is paid £75 to £80 K pw to do, and, again, trying to help potential new employers who have made a low-ball offer and then relied on him to throw his toys out of the pram in order to force his current employers (who he should owe some loyalty to) to accept the lowball offer.

8) A desperate man! Oh, please, he is getting paid more a week than most folk can even dream of making in a year, to do something he enjoys, at one of the top clubs in the EPL, and one that, without him, could have genuine chances of silverware in the immediate future, and that chance would be enhanced massively if he stayed. Get a grip

I disagree. He is 1 of the best midfielders around not playing CL. his yardstick is not the common person, it should be the same bracket of 'top midfielders'. so he has reason to be desperate.

An analogy would be the super-rich and how they evade tax; these ppl can afford to do that because what they save in tax is higher than what they have to pay to get the accoutnants/bankers to help them exploit the loopholes. Their comparison should not be the common person but their peers. The common person should have no complaints about this because he/she doesn't have the ability to do so.

What I find interesting, and am reflecting on as I type the above, is that last year he claimed that he only signed his 6 year contract (and said he believed he could fulfill all of his footballing ambitions with us, presumably) because he wanted to ensure we would get a good price for him, in thanks for our faith in him and helping to advance his career - and yet, both then and now, all his energies are directed towards forcing us to accept a low-ball offer - intriguing (would love to see what he does when he is going out of his way to shaft someone ).

Implict in his mentality is that he thinks we are and will be a lesser club than the elite. This is what I believe too, that you and the others don't. As a result he feels that having signed the contract and letting Spurs earn maybe 15mil off him (buy at 16 sell at 27+add ons, gives it say 31) is good enough for us.

 

[Misfit]

Implict in his mentality is that he thinks we are and will be a lesser club than the elite. This is what I believe too, that you and the others don't. As a result he feels that having signed the contract and letting Spurs earn maybe 15mil off him (buy at 16 sell at 27+add ons, gives it say 31) is good enough for us.

Then he needs sectioning, frankly. If he's so detatched from reality that he's convinced himself he signed the contract for the benefit of anyone but himself then wow. Time to put corks on the end of the cutlery.

 

[ultimateloner]

Have used a very similar term myself - what the feck do they want from us. Aside from one unprecedneted epoch (of albeit unparalled) success by Liverpool, followed by United, and our coinciding total eclipse, we were always one of the Big Five of English football, and I grew up in an age when we could hold our heads up with anyone. Now they play on this notion that we are getting massively above our station to even aspire to get back to the higher echelons of English football. It makes me fecking rage. They want us to continuing playing possum so they can continue taking the piss and seem genuinely offended when we don't. And what makes me even angrier - they seem to resent it from us, with the proper heritage and doing it all the right way, more than they do with Cheslea and, latterly, Citeh.

And Spurs fans going along with it...don't even get me started

My mind rules when it comes to commercial stuff which is why i think anything but a hard stance is less than acceptable. However the empathy sets in when it comes to looking at it from the players point of view. Modric is 26 so he wouldn't know/feel what you do above and same for alot of younger fans. but why should he? he's a pro and what matters is now.

 

[ultimateloner]

Then he needs sectioning, frankly. If he's so detatched from reality that he's convinced himself he signed the contract for the benefit of anyone but himself then wow. Time to put corks on the end of the cutlery.

agree. anyone should only optimise one's gain even at the expense of others because its a 0-sum game (football).

 

[StartingPrice]

1) Implict in his mentality is that he thinks we are and will be a lesser club than the elite. This is what I believe too, that you and the others don't. As a result he feels that having signed the contract and letting Spurs earn maybe 15mil off him (buy at 16 sell at 27+add ons, gives it say 31) is good enough for us.

2) We both agree the risk he has if he fails to move soon. I disagree with your blame on him for us failing to get third (which you put aside so i woudl consider now). I don't think it's 1 player's fault. I also don't think his decision should take into consideration us deserving but failing to get CL. 1 year delay is 1/10th-ish of his career and it's what happened, not what might have been, that matters.
3) I'm saying if you were Modric and you see players moving on for significantly less wheres you can't move for the same discount then you ahve reason to be upset. I made the assumption that we took losses on both Corluka and Kranjcar. As both you and another poster said there is no evidence so can't be part of the argument; however I feel this is likely and as i am speaking what i think he thinks i include this.
4) An analogy would be the super-rich and how they evade tax; these ppl can afford to do that because what they save in tax is higher than what they have to pay to get the accoutnants/bankers to help them exploit the loopholes. Their comparison should not be the common person but their peers. The common person should have no complaints about this because he/she doesn't have the ability to do so.

1) Where did I say I thought we were an elite club? I think you have just made that up. I may have said we have every right to aspire to be an elite club, and work our little goolies off to make ourselves an elite club, but that is a different thing. We are clearly not on the same level as Real or Barcelona. But I wouod only see this point as remotely relevant if I was trying to insist we should sell him. What price we get for him has absolutely nothing to do with whether we are quite on a level with Real. The only thing I care about him thinking is that we are being reasonable, Real aren't, so he should start thinking maybe they are the problem and have a toy throwing tantrum at them.

2) Firstly, I never said he was wholly to blame for us failing to get third, but he did leaving us high and dry for the first game of the season, and pretty much for the second where he did kinda appear. And he was a bit lacklustre on occasions, particularly in the final third of the season - so he should think on that before making demands on us making wholly reasonable dmenads before selling him and throwing a tantrum. Secondly, I never said he should not look to move because he should show us some more consideration because we were desperately unlucky to not get CL football - I said he should show us some consideration by stopping treating us as a piece of shit he has picked up and his shoe, so far beneath his contempt he can't even express it, we are a top 4 team, pretty much. The fans have supported him through thick and fecking thin, when no other team was willing to take a chance on him, when he first arrived and wasn't great, when he went missing for matches and even after he acted like a petulatn brat last Summer and the fans still welcomed him back. We have had plenty of disappointment last year, the last thing we need now is our best player (sic.) refusing to train or go on tour with the club, trying to force him for below market value because the club has the audacity to demand market value (a little below, IMHO) for a player who has four years on his contract.

3) Corluka and Krankjar are nowhere near the level of Modric, and was not sought after by the biggest and wealthiest clubs in the land, and we were happy to let them go, we want to keep Modric and he has four years left on his contract - something of a difference, wouldn't you say. Besides, you are assuming we made a small loss on Kranjar and Corluka - apart from the fact that you've said it was an assumption, what are you basing that on? Let me get this straight: you think we should let Modric go for less than what we believe is the market value because it will upset him if we don't treat him like a player we don't want to keep, who isn't wnated by the best and wealthiest clubs in the World, and he might assume we made a bit of a loss on them, so we should accept less than market value for him. Sorry, but that is a thoroughly ridiculous argument.

4) That might be an analogy, but it is an absolutely caack one - sorry but it is. Presumably, we are the ordinary tax payer, and Real are finding the loopholes by tapping him, low-balling us, and then using his absolute desire to join them to make him play up until he gets his move? Well, er, no, a better analogy would be that Real are the market leaders, and we are multinational, one floor down than them - do you think a multinational company would let the market leaders take the blueprints for a surefire top-seller for significantly less than the ging rate? They wouldn't and neither should we.

Frankly, your arguments don't make much sense and you come across as someone who is trying to show that he is more objective in evaluating and compassionate in considering the player, than everyone else, and it isn't working.

The facts are these:
We are willing to sell.
We are willing to sell to Real for less than if it was to an English club or if we had an auction - the most quoted ITK/media price we are wlling to accept is £35 million.
Real are trying to low-ball us - the most quoted ITK/media price Real have been quoted as paying is £27 million.
It is apparent that they are trying to low-ball us because when you compare these prices when you compare with the amount Porto are willing to sell Moutinho, our most likely Modric replacement, for - £30 million +.
So, by direct comparison, either Real believe that Moutinho is a better player and should buy him, leaving us alone, or they don;t believe he is better than Modric and accept that we are making a reasaonable request.
Modric is kicking up at us, not because we are in the wrong, but because it would not auger well for him to start his Real career by telling them they are a bunch of low-balling cheapskates who should just pay the market value. That is fine, I can understand that, but I see no reason why you, or any other Spurs fan should do the same. WTF

 

[StartingPrice]

My mind rules when it comes to commercial stuff which is why i think anything but a hard stance is less than acceptable. However the empathy sets in when it comes to looking at it from the players point of view. Modric is 26 so he wouldn't know/feel what you do above and same for alot of younger fans. but why should he? he's a pro and what matters is now.

And I have looked at it from the players viewpoint - I have said over and over that I can understand his point of view. Look, if he stays next year we there is no guarantee that we will qualify for the CL. If we are realistic, even if we dio qualify next year, we are hardly likely to challenge for the CL trophy the following year. We may never do. So, I can quite understand that a player going into his very best years and with the ability to play for the very elite couple of teams competing for these type of trophies doesn't want to spend those best years hoping that he current pretty damned good club is gonna start actually competing at the very elite level even though it is not imminently likely.

The problem with everything you say is that you are saying you are more understanding of his point of view and that is why we should accept less than market value for him, and then base all of your arguments as to why we accept less than market value for him on arguments that would only be viable is the majority you are arguing against are arguing that he shouldn't the the move at all. No-one is saying that. Mostly, we are accepting of the fact that he is capable of playing for Real and competing for the very top trophies and coming into his best years. What we are objecting to is that Real are trying to low-ball us and he is colluding with them to try and force us to accept less than market value - simple. How can you even try to justify that?

 

[ultimateloner]

1) Where did I say I thought we were an elite club? I think you have just made that up. I may have said we have every right to aspire to be an elite club, and work our little goolies off to make ourselves an elite club, but that is a different thing. We are clearly not on the same level as Real or Barcelona. But I wouod only see this point as remotely relevant if I was trying to insist we should sell him. What price we get for him has absolutely nothing to do with whether we are quite on a level with Real. The only thing I care about him thinking is that we are being reasonable, Real aren't, so he should start thinking maybe they are the problem and have a toy throwing tantrum at them.

2) Firstly, I never said he was wholly to blame for us failing to get third, but he did leaving us high and dry for the first game of the season, and pretty much for the second where he did kinda appear. And he was a bit lacklustre on occasions, particularly in the final third of the season - so he should think on that before making demands on us making wholly reasonable dmenads before selling him and throwing a tantrum. Secondly, I never said he should not look to move because he should show us some more consideration because we were desperately unlucky to not get CL football - I said he should show us some consideration by stopping treating us as a piece of shit he has picked up and his shoe, so far beneath his contempt he can't even express it, we are a top 4 team, pretty much. The fans have supported him through thick and fecking thin, when no other team was willing to take a chance on him, when he first arrived and wasn't great, when he went missing for matches and even after he acted like a petulatn brat last Summer and the fans still welcomed him back. We have had plenty of disappointment last year, the last thing we need now is our best player (sic.) refusing to train or go on tour with the club, trying to force him for below market value because the club has the audacity to demand market value (a little below, IMHO) for a player who has four years on his contract.

3) Corluka and Krankjar are nowhere near the level of Modric, and was not sought after by the biggest and wealthiest clubs in the land, and we were happy to let them go, we want to keep Modric and he has four years left on his contract - something of a difference, wouldn't you say. Besides, you are assuming we made a small loss on Kranjar and Corluka - apart from the fact that you've said it was an assumption, what are you basing that on? Let me get this straight: you think we should let Modric go for less than what we believe is the market value because it will upset him if we don't treat him like a player we don't want to keep, who isn't wnated by the best and wealthiest clubs in the World, and he might assume we made a bit of a loss on them, so we should accept less than market value for him. Sorry, but that is a thoroughly ridiculous argument.

4) That might be an analogy, but it is an absolutely caack one - sorry but it is. Presumably, we are the ordinary tax payer, and Real are finding the loopholes by tapping him, low-balling us, and then using his absolute desire to join them to make him play up until he gets his move? Well, er, no, a better analogy would be that Real are the market leaders, and we are multinational, one floor down than them - do you think a multinational company would let the market leaders take the blueprints for a surefire top-seller for significantly less than the ging rate? They wouldn't and neither should we.

Frankly, your arguments don't make much sense and you come across as someone who is trying to show that he is more objective in evaluating and compassionate in considering the player, than everyone else, and it isn't working.

The facts are these:
We are willing to sell.
We are willing to sell to Real for less than if it was to an English club or if we had an auction - the most quoted ITK/media price we are wlling to accept is £35 million.
Real are trying to low-ball us - the most quoted ITK/media price Real have been quoted as paying is £27 million.
It is apparent that they are trying to low-ball us because when you compare these prices when you compare with the amount Porto are willing to sell Moutinho, our most likely Modric replacement, for - £30 million +.
So, by direct comparison, either Real believe that Moutinho is a better player and should buy him, leaving us alone, or they don;t believe he is better than Modric and accept that we are making a reasaonable request.
Modric is kicking up at us, not because we are in the wrong, but because it would not auger well for him to start his Real career by telling them they are a bunch of low-balling cheapskates who should just pay the market value. That is fine, I can understand that, but I see no reason why you, or any other Spurs fan should do the same. WTF

Too many points to address for now but i have always said that we should stick to our asking price; that was the purpose of the long contract. I thought you understood this but from last points it seemed like you thought i was saying otherwise? We should never accept less than market; this is independent to whether i feel (which i do) Modric has good reason to act the way he did.

 

[ultimateloner]

And I have looked at it from the players viewpoint - I have said over and over that I can understand his point of view. Look, if he stays next year we there is no guarantee that we will qualify for the CL. If we are realistic, even if we dio qualify next year, we are hardly likely to challenge for the CL trophy the following year. We may never do. So, I can quite understand that a player going into his very best years and with the ability to play for the very elite couple of teams competing for these type of trophies doesn't want to spend those best years hoping that he current pretty damned good club is gonna start actually competing at the very elite level even though it is not imminently likely.

The problem with everything you say is that you are saying you are more understanding of his point of view and that is why we should accept less than market value for him, and then base all of your arguments as to why we accept less than market value for him on arguments that would only be viable is the majority you are arguing against are arguing that he shouldn't the the move at all. No-one is saying that. Mostly, we are accepting of the fact that he is capable of playing for Real and competing for the very top trophies and coming into his best years. What we are objecting to is that Real are trying to low-ball us and he is colluding with them to try and force us to accept less than market value - simple. How can you even try to justify that?

I'm not. I think we should take a hard stance = don't accept RM's bid. Modric could do whatever he likes it doesn't and shouldn't influence our pricing decisions. All i was trying to asy was Modric isn't as bad as you made him out to be; but ultimately it wouldn't matter.

 

[SpurSince57]

Too many points to address for now but i have always said that we should stick to our asking price; that was the purpose of the long contract. I thought you understood this but from last points it seemed like you thought i was saying otherwise? We should never accept less than market; this is independent to whether i feel (which i do) Modric has good reason to act the way he did.

For some reason the phrase 'wanting to have one's cake and eat it' springs to mind.

 

[StartingPrice]

Too many points to address for now but i have always said that we should stick to our asking price; that was the purpose of the long contract. I thought you understood this but from last points it seemed like you thought i was saying otherwise? We should never accept less than market; this is independent to whether i feel (which i do) Modric has good reason to act the way he did.

No.
I do understand that you have always said we should take a hard stance.
Wherer I think there is a misunderstanding is that you keep on quoting £40 million as our asking price, whereas all the more sensible ITK and media have specifically stated that we would accept £35 million from an overseas club, and from that we would have to pay Dinamo Zagreb 5%, apparently. I think that is a fair enough price and is being quite accomodating. And when you contrast that with the £30 million + Porto want for the likely replacement, Moutinho, I think it puts the £27 million that Real are, apparently, prepared to pay, into perspective.

I understand what Real are doing and why, and on one level I can't really blame them - they are Real Madrid and can get away with it. I have been saying for years that the governing bodies should have got hold of all this, made transfer dealings fairer - and if it is blame you want you should look thataway.

And I understand that the player wants to leave and why.

What I don't get and find objectionable, is why certian outlets continue to report that we are demanding £40 million and will not negotiate, that it is all our fault and that Modric could legitimate reason to try and force a move. I could understand that if we had kept on moving the goalposts but we haven't. I could understand it if we were asking for a bizarre amount, way beyond his market value, but we aren't.

Real's offer is low-ball /of...and Modric shouldn't be going on strike to try to force us to accept a low-ball offer no matter how much we can understand that he wants to join RM. As I have said several times, and this would play if the placings were reversed and we were trying to bully a player out of a smaller club, it is Real's low-ball offer that is holding the deal up. £35 milion, under the circumstances is more than reasonable. Therefore, if Modric wants to angry with someone it should be his prospective employers and not THFC. The only reason he is having a hissy fit with us is because he can hardly start his Real career by calling them a bunch of cheapstake low-ballers and demanding they pay a fair price for him. What that means, in effect, is he is putting pressure on THFC, his current employers (and to my mind your first loyalty for any player should always be present employers) to accept a low-ball offer. I believe that is unethical of him, and I really don't how anyone, Spurs fans or not, could have any sympathy for him for doing that.

 

[parklane1]

Against Utd at OT I agree it did effect us adversely as he didn't even play, and if he did we might have done better; especially as we more than held our own for most of that game. It wasn't helped by playing Defoe as the loan striker however, but at least Utd went 442.

Against City at home, he did play, but the reason we did so poorly was the suicidal team Redknapp put out; Krancjar and Modric as CM pair against the three CMs of City??? Fucking ridiculous... and yet so typically Harry...

After that though Modric was a huge asset to the team, and we were far better over the course of a season having retained him than we would have been if Redknapp had got is way and we'd sold him and got two or three others in - I reckon Harry could have done a deal on Joe Cole, Michael Owen, Kenwyn Jones and Phil Neville for that money, and still probably had change to bring Chimbonda back to the club!!!

My thoughts as well.