AVB v 'Journalists' Ashton & Samuels

[Donki]

News of the World won newspaper of the year award in 2005....

True, but it shows people do read them wheather for the "factual" reports or the entertainment value, who knows.

 

[jambreck]

Wow .....and they have never done that before ever.
OMG I am so shocked.
Ooops now where did I leave my handbag.

Well done. You've discovered sarcasm.

Maybe one day you'll also discover that it's referred to as "the lowest form of wit".

Perhaps you think that falsification is acceptable and shouldn't be challenged. AVB clearly does not. I agree with him.

 

[Chris12]

I haven't read the thread as I have been away but anyone who thinks AVB is some kind of genius in PR has missed all the pointers which show he is not in control and the press, plus others, smell blood and are homing in on a perceived weakness.

AVB should go back to saying nothing and do a Fergie by banning and blanking media personnel he took exception to...which were many

Whilst I would like that, Im nearly 100% media will turn that into something worse and more negative

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

Out of curiosity, what is required to get into these press conferences? I know you need a press pass and all that, but what boxes do you need to tick to qualify for a press pass?

Basically I want to know how I can get in there. Don't hold out on me.

 

[Trotter]

Is it really twisting words though.

Brendan Rodgers after a disappointing loss, says "blame me, not the players, ultimately it is my responsibility", not passing the buck onto anybody else.
AVB says "we should be ashamed our ourselves", passing the buck onto everybody at the club including the players, as well as taking a little bit himself.
Very different approach.

 

[Chris12]

Is it really twisting words though.

Brendan Rodgers after a disappointing loss, says "blame me, not the players, ultimately it is my responsibility", not passing the buck onto anybody else.
AVB says "we should be ashamed our ourselves", passing the buck onto everybody at the club including the players, as well as taking a little bit himself.
Very different approach.

Players are exempt from criticism a lot anyways, so having somre pressure on them and not just the manager should be done

 

[jambreck]

Out of curiosity, what is required to get into these press conferences? I know you need a press pass and all that, but what boxes do you need to tick to qualify for a press pass?

Basically I want to know how I can get in there. Don't hold out on me.

This is the official form:

The question asked is:

Do you know the meaning of the word "we"?

If you pass the test, you get in.

Ashton did eeny meeny and got lucky.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

Is it really twisting words though.

Brendan Rodgers after a disappointing loss, says "blame me, not the players, ultimately it is my responsibility", not passing the buck onto anybody else.
AVB says "we should be ashamed our ourselves", passing the buck onto everybody at the club including the players, as well as taking a little bit himself.
Very different approach.

Yeah it is. They were saying that he wasn't including himself in the criticism and was just shifting the blame onto anyone but himself. Quite stunning really considering he used the word we.

On the plus side it gave him the opportunity to explain to Ashton, the award winning journalist, what that word means.

 

[Gb160]

You can say it like that, but when if its alway going to be about you and negative obviously you wont be happy and will say something. This isn't something thats just started passed couple of weeks, this has gone on since he has come to England with Chelsea

He was labelled 'borderline aspergers' by The Sun/BBC journo Ian Mcgarry......fucking disgusting behaviour.

 

[jambreck]

Is it really twisting words though.

Brendan Rodgers after a disappointing loss, says "blame me, not the players, ultimately it is my responsibility", not passing the buck onto anybody else.
AVB says "we should be ashamed our ourselves", passing the buck onto everybody at the club including the players, as well as taking a little bit himself.
Very different approach.

A 6-0 thrashing is more than just a "disappointing loss", though, isn't it? It was littered with individual errors.

AVB was right. Everyone connected with the club should have been ashamed of the performance. If they weren't, then something is very, very wrong.

 

[parklane1]

What do you not understand?

AVB wasn't complaining about criticism of how his team is performing. This has got nothing to do with only being "as good as your last game".

It's got everything to do with the press writing lies and twisting words.

Nail on the head.

 

[Beni]

Is it really twisting words though.

Brendan Rodgers after a disappointing loss, says "blame me, not the players, ultimately it is my responsibility", not passing the buck onto anybody else.
AVB says "we should be ashamed our ourselves", passing the buck onto everybody at the club including the players, as well as taking a little bit himself.
Very different approach.

You would have to be severely naive if you were a Liverpool player or the media, in believing that the players had no responsibility over a result or performance.

Yes the manager may have picked the wrong players, deployed the wrong tactics etc but the players on the pitch will have to take some accountability for the performance and result.

 

[dagraham]

Yes, I do see a difference and yes I appreciate that life isn't fair. But these journalists are what I consider bullies. They talk large and give the impression they have a ounce of an idea about football when actually they know little more than the man on the street. They do have their personal agendas and that is evidenced by the lax approach they are taking to Moyes whilst AVB is getting a lot of grief.

Why should AVB corner them and tell them privately that he doesn't like their opinions when they have publicly made small of his achievements. The only way to deal with bullies like these is to fight fire with fire. The journalists overstepped the mark in his book "publicly" so they should be called out on their comments "publicly". Anyone who has now seen or read the interview will know that Ashton's response of "and what's your point?" to AVB being misquoted will realise that he is obviously very thick if he doesnt understand the difference between what was said and what he quoted. Which manager will want to answer questions to a hack that regularly misquotes people, whether intentionally or through idiocy?

AVB came out firing and that is exactly what Fergie would have done and Brian Clough come to think of it. AVB doesnt need the media onside to be successful. He needs to get the team to play effective and efficient and win trophies. The media will follow when they have no choice

I agree with pretty much everything you say and your spot on, the gutter press are bullies.

I just think it would have been more effective to phone him up or speak to him off the record. He probably could have been even more forthright with Ashton that way.

I don't think calling him out in public will make one iota of difference to the way Ashton goes about his reporting and so won't really achieve anything.

Fergie or Clough would have genuinely floored him where as Avb almost ends up back tracking at the end of the interview, when he concedes that Ashton is entitled to his opinion.

I think we all agree that the press are ***** and there are plenty of bitter West Ham fans in the press who love getting stuck into Spurs but I just don't think Avb is going to win in this crusade.

 

[Beni]

I also thought Brendans admission of blame in his press conference, was a cheap opportunity in taking advantage of seeing what was happening with AVB, to get some brownie points from the media and his own fans.

 

[Legend10]

You would have to be severely naive if you were a Liverpool player or the media, in believing that the players had no responsibility over a result or performance.

Yes the manager may have picked the wrong players, deployed the wrong tactics etc but the players on the pitch will have to take some accountability for the performance and result.

And anyway it can be argued that 'the blame me' response is actually designed to deflect any blame from himself.

 

[Legend10]

I agree with pretty much everything you say and your spot on, the gutter press are bullies.

I just think it would have been more effective to phone him up or speak to him off the record. He probably could have been even more forthright with Ashton that way.

I don't think calling him out in public will make one iota of difference to the way Ashton goes about his reporting and so won't really achieve anything.

Fergie or Clough would have genuinely floored him where as Avb almost ends up back tracking at the end of the interview, when he concedes that Ashton is entitled to his opinion.

I think we all agree that the press are ***** and there are plenty of bitter West Ham fans in the press who love getting stuck into Spurs but I just don't think Avb is going to win in this crusade.

AVB didn't backtrack at all and Ashton was fully exposed as a liar, as far as I can see that's it.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

And anyway it can be argued that 'the blame me' response is actually designed to deflect any blame from himself.

I've always found the blame me response to be a bit of a token gesture.

 

[Legend10]

I've always found the blame me response to be a bit of a token gesture.

Agreed, it's weak, very weak!

 

[Kiedis]

Is it really twisting words though.

Brendan Rodgers after a disappointing loss, says "blame me, not the players, ultimately it is my responsibility", not passing the buck onto anybody else.
AVB says "we should be ashamed our ourselves", passing the buck onto everybody at the club including the players, as well as taking a little bit himself.
Very different approach.

What about "the Mourinho"? "I made 11 mistakes"?

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

What about "the Mourinho"? "I made 11 mistakes"?

It doesn't come much more Mourinho-y than that.

I made the mistakes.... OR DID I?!