AvB

[wishkah]

bit that annoys me about the chelsea game is i think AVB got everything right. Two DM's, width on the break and a supported hungry target man backed by a play maker. I even liked the idea of Holtby constricting and chasing from the front.

I think we/he was let down by individual errors rather than tactics. Hudd didn't move enough and was too flat. Parker tried to compensate when we know he shouldn't. And daws i blame for 1.5 goals.

AVB did well for me today.

 

[jonnyp]

This. Fucking hell this.

I think people are getting confused. The fact that we have become somewhat resilient doesn't mean we are well drilled. We are resilient, more so then in recent seasons. We are however, not well drilled, our shape has been atrocious for large parts of the season. When we are defending, our defence isn't even in a line let alone the rest of our team in any sort of drilled in defensive shape.

We have been ragged and loose for the most part and it has cost us a lot. On Saturday when I watched the Southampton game I watched the way the Southampton defence fell back in to a cohesive unit when they had to defend. They had two banks, the defensive one of four and the midfield was one of three with the left or right midfielder, depending on whatever way the ball was being played joining up the forward two to chase the ball down to win it from the front.

We do not do this.


If an attack breaks down we fall back as individuals. The defence is there already but our midfielders drift back and chase the ball down rather then getting in to any sort of defensive shape and are leaving pockets of space everywhere. We sometimes end up having four players around the attacker with the ball only for him to play it 30 yards across the pitch to a team mate who has now been gifted acres of space.

We have to be better drilled. I could go on about this at length but cant be asked but I think it is there in plain sight for all to see.

This is true not only defensively but we've also not improved much in our offensive movement over the course of the season either. We still look clueless against defensive teams and can't seem to move and pass our way to create proper chances. This is a coaching and player material issue which has to improve next season, and I hope Levy helps this out somewhat by opening the purse and buying a creative AM, as neither Dempsey, Holtby and Sigurdsson are good enough IMO.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Last time I checked Spurs existed way before dear old 'Arry was even born and we will exist long after he's gone.

he's still alive?

 

[absolute bobbins]

Durham is a clueless, ginger, WUM ****

The daily Arsenal is funny though

 

[srups34]

Great the Martin Jol Brigade have come back and they have a new hero and his name is AVB. What is it with this section of our fans? Anybody who is average they just latch onto them in some homoerotic obsession. I for one believe now that the rumours circulating about him during his time at Chelsea were true and that his underdstanding of the game is very limited and the small knowledge he has is from books.

An article a while back had a direct quote from two people high up at Spurs who said 'we think he is a fraud'. When have you ever heard a manager being called a fraud?

 

[Ionman34]

The only thing pathetic is you and your clueless mates with this AVB love-in.

You must be the guy sitting 2 rows in front of Stoof.

What a tard

 

[gilzeantheking]

Found the Mick Dennis "article" just a pro Harry anti AVB diatribe, and surprise surprise not a quote in sight

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/357666/Andre-Villas-Boas-s-plans-prove-less-than-cunning

 

[HotspurFC1950]

He's doing a great job. I am very optimistic about the future as long as he stays in charge, provided Levy backs him,which is by no means certain....

Levy always backs our Managers as far as he can.

The impossible he cannot do.

 

[Paolo10]

I'd like to see him backed properly with signings and not on the fucking cheap, although I will say this, he doesn't seem to get as much out of a lot of the players as Redknapp seemed to, I also think we lack a sense of attacking urgency and as much as you can put this down to the players in the midfield, I'm not as sure it's not down to AVB's methods (and I'm not sure we have the players that suit a more patient method, quite the opposite with some of the pace we have). To be honest I'm not sure if Harry had the same season that all the posters backing the optimistic view would be singing the same tune.

A draw was a very good result all things considered, away from home...at least we're showing character, they should be fucking out of sight of us with the quality they have. Our starting 11 cost just a shade over £50m, their striker cost about that.

I mean, look...

Ramires - £18.3m
Oscar (We wanted him) - £25m
Mata (We were 'interested') - £23.5m
Hazard (Ditto) - £32m (+200k a week)
David Luiz - £21m

The deck last night was well stacked against us and we showed a bit of fight eventually, if we can keep that up we've a chance...let's just hope Arsenal fuck it up for a change and maybe, just maybe once a bit of luck goes our fucking way. If you're religious, have a wee extra pray for us heathens.

Nb. The match and ratings threads all make me what to slap the **** out of too many posters too regularly lately. 3's, 4's and 5's for a draw against a vastly stronger side away from home? Fuck off, some of you should watch the matches more than the match threads.

 

[Ionman34]

This is true not only defensively but we've also not improved much in our offensive movement over the course of the season either. We still look clueless against defensive teams and can't seem to move and pass our way to create proper chances. This is a coaching and player material issue which has to improve next season, and I hope Levy helps this out somewhat by opening the purse and buying a creative AM, as neither Dempsey, Holtby and Sigurdsson are good enough IMO.

TBH, I've seen this too but I don't think it's the coaching. After the start of the season, where we let in so many late goals, the coaching staff addressed this and we then looked a solid, cohesive unit that played high and dominated possession. Since around Feb though, this cohesion seems to have slipped. I put it down to individuals. As was said earlier, Parker seems to be going beyond his remit whilst Huddlestone is reverting back to type and Dembele is crocked. Lennon also played a big part in that solidity and he too has been crocked. Loss of form I can accept, but they seem to have lost a lot of that discipline that saw us go on our big winning streak.
Offensively I think it's down to the individuals too. Ade has had the poorest season of his career and has been in and out of the side. Defoe has been the usual mix, Siggy has blown hot & cold as has Dempsey. Bale has been consistent but only since around November/Christmas time. I can't help but think that he has been a detriment to the others though. He's always looking for the strike, much like Defoe, and I've seen him ignore some pretty good movement to go for goal himself, from Ade in particular.
As likeable and down to Earth as Bale is, I think he loves the glory and that can be a detriment in the long run. That is about the only criticism I have of the lad though ans is something I expect will improve, he's done that in every other aspect of his game.
I liked AVB's comment that Bale won't remain as a central striker. Many managers would thank their lucky stars and leave him there, AVB can see that he would be far more effective as a wide forward so is planning for that. If that man can get a player like Hulk scoring over 30 a season with double that in assists, think what he could do with one of the top 3 players in the World!
Sorry, rambled a bit there. Basically I am saying that we saw what the coaching can achieve when the discipline is there, that was why Sandro was so integral, his discipline is extraordinary, Parker hasn't really matched that and it shows. Dembele, I believe has suffered somewhat from that. Add in the injury and you can see why his form has dipped a tad.
And yet we are battling it out for CL. We're not fluking that, we're just not a finished article yet.

How fucking scary a team will we have when we are?

 

[michaelden]

Great the Martin Jol Brigade have come back and they have a new hero and his name is AVB. What is it with this section of our fans? Anybody who is average they just latch onto them in some homoerotic obsession. I for one believe now that the rumours circulating about him during his time at Chelsea were true and that his underdstanding of the game is very limited and the small knowledge he has is from books.

An article a while back had a direct quote from two people high up at Spurs who said 'we think he is a fraud'. When have you ever heard a manager being called a fraud?

well there was Harry & his wealthy dog Rosie....

And I'm guessing that the comments came from a pair or bald, wrinkly ball sacks who leech off the club and their past glories to get get free shit. A man does not work for Robson, & Mourinho and manage Porto to great success whilst never being found out.

Take your tin foil hat off, stop listening to rumours and start thinking for yourself... based on observable results & fucking logic!

 

[michaelden]

TBH, I've seen this too but I don't think it's the coaching. After the start of the season, where we let in so many late goals, the coaching staff addressed this and we then looked a solid, cohesive unit that played high and dominated possession. Since around Feb though, this cohesion seems to have slipped. I put it down to individuals. As was said earlier, Parker seems to be going beyond his remit whilst Huddlestone is reverting back to type and Dembele is crocked. Lennon also played a big part in that solidity and he too has been crocked. Loss of form I can accept, but they seem to have lost a lot of that discipline that saw us go on our big winning streak.

How fucking scary a team will we have when we are?

This! We are more porous since or CDM thinks he's Ronaldinho

 

[camaj]

I saw this on this mornings Football365 mailbox

The Case For AVB
Seeing as the general consensus is that David Moyes will be the next United manager I'd like to make a last-minute case for another, seemingly forgotten manager, Andre Villas Boas. AVB might be young and unfancied by bookies and pundits (F365 included) but I believe he has the credentials to do the job.

1) He has a lot more European experience than Moyes. He's won a European title and I believe that tactically, he is more suited for Europe and big games than Moyes. The game at Old Trafford and the comeback against City clearly shows that he has what it takes in that department and Moyes never enjoyed much success with Everton away against the big clubs.

2) He has the experience of dealing with superstar players. He managed the likes of Falcao, Moutinho and the t***s at Chelsea. Sure that didn't end well but the United dressing-room is a completely different thing. Sir Alex will still be around, something that Weighty Wayne Rooney (Can we make this a thing like FFL? Since they both weigh close to a metric ton it seems only fair.) seemed to have forgotten, and there is no way that the current crop of players will be allowed to act like the bell-ends at Stamford Bridge did. Plus with the strong team culture and structures at the club complementing the still developing man management side of AVB's game, his strong tactical skills can blossom. I believe the only 'star player' Moyes ever worked with was Rooney (in his earlier days I'll admit) and that didn't end well.

3) Another fiery scot at Old Trafford? As Sir Alex often mentions these days, he has had to adapt over the years to keep up with the modern player. He has calmed down considerably and has been able to keep the youngsters motivated without alienating them. Can Moyes keep up, and continue to keep up with the modern game? I'm sure that AVB, as the younger man, will be a lot better suited for the future.

4) Just think of the biblical amount of egg on the assorted press faces. The man not good enough to replace our 'arry (They took his job!) landing the biggest gig in world football? Priceless...

5) He might just buy as that midfielder we need! Moutinho would do just fine thank you. Moyes will probably buy us Osman...

Of course the press will be on his back from day one, the players might not take to his new methods, the fans will expect instant success, he'll never be Sir Alex etc. but that would also be true for anyone else getting the job. Whilst AVB is not perfect, I find him an exciting alternative to the other candidates listed.
Francois, (Levy might insist on half of Old Trafford going the other way though), MUFC, RSA

Note that it's a Man U fan.

 

[dontcallme]

AVB has impressed me. It's the 2nd season though where I think we'll see his true worth.

This has been a difficult season in some ways after losing 3 key players and bringing in 6 new players in the summer.

Because of this imbalance he has given Bale a central role and we're going for a style which involves putting a lot of our play through our star player rather than breaking teams down as a team.

Sensible option this season but with a few new signings this summer and a pre-season for Holtby and Sigurdsson I hope to see more creativity and invention from us.

 

[Riandor]

AVB... The Fraud that kept Tottenham aiming for top 4, won manager of the month (twice even?), beat Man United at Old Trafford and could still get us Champions League.

Vs... Ramos, the genius who won us a cup and then almost got us relegated.
Vs... Harry, the guy who got us cavaliering top 4 and CL, but who dropped us at the first sniff from England and had better players

Hmm, I like our Fraudster than you... long may his Frauding ways continue.

 

[The Apprentice]

Quotes you say?

"AVB is one of the best coaches I've worked with, I'd work with him again tomorrow." - Joao Moutinho

"He's able to train any team. He's a great coach; modern and young but with experience and qualifications."
"I hope Andre gets a nice reception because he tried the best he could for the club, and for me personally he was the man who I came with. He gave me confidence, and I think he is a very great person as well. When I first came he game me confidence, he helped me to settle down and yes, I think he is a great manager, and a good person for me." - Juan Mata

"Bobby Robson told me the boy was going to be something special in the coaching world. He never stopped asking questions" Craig Burley

"He is very tactically aware and he has helped me with my game in his time here. The training sessions are different every time depending on who we are playing and he has helped me with my game." - Kyle Walker



Total fraud.

 

[camaj]

AVB... The Fraud that kept Tottenham aiming for top 4, won manager of the month (twice even?), beat Man United at Old Trafford and could still get us Champions League.

Vs... Ramos, the genius who won us a cup and then almost got us relegated.
Vs... Harry, the guy who got us cavaliering top 4 and CL, but who dropped us at the first sniff from England and had better players

Hmm, I like our Fraudster than you... long may his Frauding ways continue.

As much as I didn't rate Redknapp I have to disagree with both of your assessments. The whole "almost got relegated" was classic Redknapp propaganda designed to make him look better by comparison. The England thing was just as much of an excuse, the players didn't underperform because they thought he may leave and he didn't stop putting effort in because he expected to leave. The truth is, he didn't put much effort in in the first place and we reaped what we sowed. By that stage of the season we were clearly knackered because of a lack of rotation. This season we've seen rotation in spite of massive injury problems. Just last night we saw Sigurdsson come of the bench and score, despite being written off by many SC members. Redknapp would have listened, or at least agreed with the overly simplistic "he's shit, don't use him" beliefs of many. Players like Sigurdsson, Parker and Hudd are there to give the Sandros, Dempeys, and Dembeles of this world a break.

 

[Ionman34]

Quotes you say?

"AVB is one of the best coaches I've worked with, I'd work with him again tomorrow." - Joao Moutinho

"He's able to train any team. He's a great coach; modern and young but with experience and qualifications."
"I hope Andre gets a nice reception because he tried the best he could for the club, and for me personally he was the man who I came with. He gave me confidence, and I think he is a very great person as well. When I first came he game me confidence, he helped me to settle down and yes, I think he is a great manager, and a good person for me." - Juan Mata

"Bobby Robson told me the boy was going to be something special in the coaching world. He never stopped asking questions" Craig Burley

"He is very tactically aware and he has helped me with my game in his time here. The training sessions are different every time depending on who we are playing and he has helped me with my game." - Kyle Walker



Total fraud.

The case for the defence rests.