BAE interview in the Mirror

[C-oops]

Interesting comments about a team of players "subconsciously" getting a manager sacked too re: Ramos, not that it's particularly surprising.

Gotta love BAE! The man is a legend.

don't think it was subconscious. there was almost a full on revolt. led by bently

 

[Mullers]

If you have no faith in your manager then you won't feel as motivated and passionate. It's not difficult to understand.

What about passion and motivation for the fans? Or passion and motivation to win something as a professional football player?

 

[JerryGarcia]

I'm sure I could find a way if I'm getting 40 grand a week.

I don't think the ammount of money you get payed can make you superhuman. If everyone is down and everything is going wrong, you're not going to play as well as you could if everything is going right. There would be the odd flash of genius but you couldn't find consistency.

 

[spurs_viola]

Did the players subconsciously lose games under Jol as well? How about wanting to win games for the fans? How about winning games because that is what you are paid to do as a professional footballer?

Exactly. And I don't really understand people applauding Robinson for refusing to answer the call to join the National team just because he did not like Capello. Classic example of a player putting his own interests before his country/club/supporters. I mean, he was not joining Capello's private club team - it was his country that he was asked to help.

To me, a true professional would do his best to adapt to new ways even if he does not quite like the methods, when it comes to representing his country or his club. Of course there comes a point when things really cannot work as they were - but a couple of months is nowhere near enough when you can stop even trying.

 

[C-oops]

I'm not surprised the players lacked motivation . Have already said what ive been told by my friend that is a Spanish Journalist and knew ramos well. He didnt bother learning the language ( well gave up after a few months), so couldnt speak to the players. I heard only the other day that he didnt even consult Poyet about taactics, team selection etc . Poyet didnt use to find out the lineup until the team did. My friend went down to Brighton last Friday to see him. He said he did virtually nothing the whole time he was assistant except translate. Though let go of it all during the carling cup final apparently. There cant have been a good feeling around the club and professional or not its going to effect the players.

 

[Coyboy]

The hubris and arrogance on that fucking guy. Poor old Casablanca.

 

[sloth]

Another proof if it was ever needed, that it was the players who decided they would not bother trying, so that to get rid of a manager whose methods they did not like and who probably made a big mistake in demanding too much too soon from the players who were not as professional as he thought.

It's not a proof at all, because he said something different to what you did:

“With Juande Ramos the team did not have a feeling for him so after one game, two games, three games we almost subconsciously said: ‘We do not have a feeling for you, we will not give the best for you."

Because ultimately, it is totally unprofessional to, in effect, throw matches just to get their ways and get rid of a manager many of them did not like (not every player, btw).

It would be unprofessional to throw matches, and you'd end up with a life ban if you did. They of course didn't throw matches.

It just shows the way football players think about themselves first and foremost, not really caring that much about the supporters and the club. Players like this know they can always go to another club if it doesn't work out here and if they can see that the club supports the manager more than these pampered players.

Players are mercenaries, shock! Unlike us their career requires them to move from club to club, that's why most people find it phony when player's kiss the badge after scoring a goal.

 

[Mullers]

I don't think the ammount of money you get payed can make you superhuman. If everyone is down and everything is going wrong, you're not going to play as well as you could if everything is going right. There would be the odd flash of genius but you couldn't find consistency.

Exactly. And I don't really understand people applauding Robinson for refusing to answer the call to join the National team just because he did not like Capello. Classic example of a player putting his own interests before his country/club/supporters. I mean, he was not joining Capello's private club team - it was his country that he was asked to help.

To me, a true professional would do his best to adapt to new ways even if he does not quite like the methods, when it comes to representing his country or his club. Of course there comes a point when things really cannot work as they were - but a couple of months is nowhere near enough when you can stop even trying.

The trouble is footballers can't get the sack for underperforming, if I knew that I was going to get the sack from my 40 grand per week job for not performing at a decent level, you can rest be assured I would do my best to keep my high paying job.

 

[JerryGarcia]

The trouble is footballers can't get the sack for underperforming, if I knew that I was going to get the sack from my 40 grand per week job for not performing at a decent level, you can rest be assured I would do my best to keep my high paying job.

I don't doubt that but I think our players tried their best under Ramos while Spurs Viola suggests that they threw the games. The problem as I see it is that their best under Ramos was not good enough and when Harry came in, he got more out of them and balanced the team. I don't think Ramos is a bad manager, he knows his stuff but he didn't know enough about England. I prefer to remember him for the League Cup win which came at a time when he still had a bit of mystique about him and the players had a bit of confidence.

 

[Raxscallion]

The trouble is footballers can't get the sack for underperforming, if I knew that I was going to get the sack from my 40 grand per week job for not performing at a decent level, you can rest be assured I would do my best to keep my high paying job.

They're under the same employment regulations as the rest of us.

 

[michaelden]

i get the feeling that BAE would make va good manger in ther future. wise

 

[spurs_viola]

Complete nonsense.

Complete blind hatred clouding one's memory...

 

[spurs_viola]

I don't doubt that but I think our players tried their best under Ramos while Spurs Viola suggests that they threw the games....
...

I only suggest that because players themselves largely alluded to it - and perhaps you did not see the quotes about not wanting to give their best from BAE there? I suppose I invented those quotes too? :duh:

 

[SpurSince57]

Complete blind hatred clouding one's memory...

The club lavished £84m gross on Ramos in just two windows, and if we'd signed Arshavin, Podolski and Veloso that figure would have been £120m+. By contrast, spending under Jol totalled £95m-£98m gross in six windows. I assume you're capable of doing the requisite sums. Far from the board 'messing him up big-time', they bent over backwards to accommodate him. One of the reasons Jol got the bum's rush, we were frequently told, was that it was considered he was not good enough to take a squad strong enough to break into the top four to 'the next level'. Having won the Carling Cup with that squad (successfully distracting attention from worryingly poor league performances), Ramos proceeded to dismantle it—was allowed to dismantle it.

Even Pav said that for the players Random's departure was like having a stone removed from round their necks.

 

[Mullers]

I don't doubt that but I think our players tried their best under Ramos while Spurs Viola suggests that they threw the games. The problem as I see it is that their best under Ramos was not good enough and when Harry came in, he got more out of them and balanced the team. I don't think Ramos is a bad manager, he knows his stuff but he didn't know enough about England. I prefer to remember him for the League Cup win which came at a time when he still had a bit of mystique about him and the players had a bit of confidence.

BAE suggests that subconsciously players did NOT try their best.

They're under the same employment regulations as the rest of us.

We both know that players do not get sacked for not performing on the pitch.

 

[JerryGarcia]

The subconscious is not something that the players are in control of, that's the whole point.

 

[Mullers]

I am not going to get into a debate about subconscious mind control, to me BAE is just making a piss poor excuse about the players performance under Ramos. Both Ramos AND the players are responsible for the poor results.

 

[JerryGarcia]

I am not going to get into a debate about subconscious mind control, to me BAE is just making a piss poor excuse about the players performance under Ramos. Both Ramos AND the players are responsible for the poor results.

I agree that they are both resposnsible, I don't want a debate either so I'll leave it at that and go and celebrate the win today

 

[Raxscallion]

We both know that players do not get sacked for not performing on the pitch.

And neither can you be sacked for being shit at your job, unless you've been given adequate training opportunities, support, yada yada yada......

 

[rich75]

Another proof if it was ever needed, that it was the players who decided they would not bother trying, so that to get rid of a manager whose methods they did not like and who probably made a big mistake in demanding too much too soon from the players who were not as professional as he thought.

Because ultimately, it is totally unprofessional to, in effect, throw matches just to get their ways and get rid of a manager many of them did not like (not every player, btw). It just shows the way football players think about themselves first and foremost, not really caring that much about the supporters and the club. Players like this know they can always go to another club if it doesn't work out here and if they can see that the club supports the manager more than these pampered players.

Before people start howling in protest, just consider if BAE will want to stay with Spurs if he loses his place in the first team and some otehr club comes calling. I doubt that very much.

what a load of cock, in any line of work if you think your immediate manager isn't doing their job properly or you have personal issues with them you will work less well. If it gets to the stage where everyone under that manager is disillusioned and not performing properly then that manager would almost certainly get the sack for failing to inspire his staff. Football is no different