BAE interview in the Mirror

[rich75]

The trouble is footballers can't get the sack for underperforming, if I knew that I was going to get the sack from my 40 grand per week job for not performing at a decent level, you can rest be assured I would do my best to keep my high paying job.

Yes they can. Contract law is no different for them as it is for anyone else

 

[Raxscallion]

Yes they can. Contract law is no different for them as it is for anyone else

Stop baffling people with facts.

 

[Mullers]

And neither can you be sacked for being shit at your job, unless you've been given adequate training opportunities, support, yada yada yada......

Yes I can.

Yes they can. Contract law is no different for them as it is for anyone else

I replace can't with DON'T then.

 

[worcestersauce]

Christ there's some lucky buggers on here, have they never worked for a bad guv'nor, working for a bad manager/boss who you have lost all respect for and who just won't listen to any sense makes your job so much harder and no matter how hard you try you cannot perform to your very best ability because you start from a much lower point, it's not concious and it's not a decision you take it's just being human and lets face it in the prem you have to be at your peak the whole time.

Any way back to Beni, who's wearing a Darth Vador outfit on Wednesday then? Will the green team let me in with my light sabre?

 

[alamo]

I only suggest that because players themselves largely alluded to it - and perhaps you did not see the quotes about not wanting to give their best from BAE there? I suppose I invented those quotes too? :duh:

 

[chrissivad]

can someone start a "Vader is a Yiddo" chant on Wednesday please! :-D

 

[Bobishism]

“But first I have to think the second leg against Young Boys next week. If I don’t, then I will be watching the Champions League on my TV again!”


There was some doubt over Benoits interest in football. I think this somewhat clears it.

 

[StartingPrice]

“But first I have to think the second leg against Young Boys next week. If I don’t, then I will be watching the Champions League on my TV again!”


There was some doubt over Benoits interest in football. I think this somewhat clears it.

As said above, Bobs, this was largely due to misleading headlines and misreporting and then believing the misleading headlines and misreporting.

 

[BorisTM]

can someone start a "Vader is a Yiddo" chant on Wednesday please! :-D

:rofl: maybe save it for the Arsenal's game

 

[sloth]

The trouble is footballers can't get the sack for underperforming, if I knew that I was going to get the sack from my 40 grand per week job for not performing at a decent level, you can rest be assured I would do my best to keep my high paying job.

Yes they can. Contract law is no different for them as it is for anyone else

They're under the same employment regulations as the rest of us.

Technically you could sack them, in reality you'd be mad to. Footballers are an asset as well as employee under contract. You could sack a player, but you'd also be throwing away an asset, a pretty stupid thing to do and one you'd need to be able to justify to your investors.

 

[Lilbaz]

Mutu

 

[Bulletspur]

What he said in that previous interview was very simple, really:
When you are a kid, you play football with your mates, just for fun.
As a professional footballer, a player has to look after his career, so when he is choosing a team to move to, his does it on this basis, rather than as a fan.
When he is playing professionaly, he has to be disciplined and PROFESSIONAL.
If he wants to play 'just for fun', and not worry too much about maintaining discipline, or positional sense, or any of that, he will go and have a kick about with his mates.

It was SO twisted by the media, and so many fans juts accepted the headline.

Usually you over analysing everything annoys me, but this I will say is spot on! :clap: repped

 

[StartingPrice]

Usually you over analysing everything annoys me, but this I will say is spot on! :clap: repped

Thanks for the rep...

...but I'd be more worried about folk UNDER-ANALYSING thingsEek

 

[Mullers]

As said above, Bobs, this was largely due to misleading headlines and misreporting and then believing the misleading headlines and misreporting.

So are you saying he didn't say the following which as been quoted?

“With Juande Ramos the team did not have a feeling for him so after one game, two games, three games we almost subconsciously said: ‘We do not have a feeling for you, we will not give the best for you.’

“But with Harry its different. All of the team have a good feeling for him. When you have a problem you can go and speak to him.

 

[Lilbaz]

So are you saying he didn't say the following which as been quoted?

“With Juande Ramos the team did not have a feeling for him so after one game, two games, three games we almost subconsciously said: ‘We do not have a feeling for you, we will not give the best for you.’

“But with Harry its different. All of the team have a good feeling for him. When you have a problem you can go and speak to him.

Yes he said that but I think that SP was talking about the being a mercenary bit. Where the papers made him out to look like he's just here for the money.

All Benny is saying in this quote is that Harry is getting the best out of the players, where Ramos didn't. Which unless you have had your head stuck up your arse everyone knew anyway.

 

[StartingPrice]

So are you saying he didn't say the following which as been quoted?

“With Juande Ramos the team did not have a feeling for him so after one game, two games, three games we almost subconsciously said: ‘We do not have a feeling for you, we will not give the best for you.’

“But with Harry its different. All of the team have a good feeling for him. When you have a problem you can go and speak to him.

Yes he said that but I think that SP was talking about the being a mercenary bit. Where the papers made him out to look like he's just here for the money.

All Benny is saying in this quote is that Harry is getting the best out of the players, where Ramos didn't. Which unless you have had your head stuck up your arse everyone knew anyway.

Yeah, Lilbaz is right, I was talking about the bit about him being a mercenary who didn't enjoy football.

As for the other bit, it is very, very clear what he means: even though they are all professionals and were obviously trying hard to get results, there was a fluidity missing from their game, whcih is only ever present when players are truly enjoying their football, because they are happy with the person they are (ultimately) playing for. It's quite simple, really, and I don't know why you are picking something which is totally unrelated to the point I was making, in the first place, and twisting it in the second. If the bloke who decides whether you are going to play or not, and whether you will get sold to :shrug: Charlton or not, is giving you directions that are unclear, so that the team is not functioning as a team, and at the same time is not very approachable, so that you can't talk over the problems, it is going to inhibit your game (and, therefore, your fluidity, and spontaneity), without you actually sitting down and deciding this is gonna happen. So, what he said was "we almost subconsciouly". If you understand the concept of the subconscious you will understand that no one 'decides' in the subconscious...then it wouldn't be the subconscious, would it. So, what he is saying is that it had the same effect as if they had decided, even though it was a subconscious thing related to the fact that they weren't enjoying their football, as the manager was making it unpleasant. 'Arry makes it pleasant, and therefore they are playing without the same restraint.

Clear.

 

[Mullers]

Yeah, Lilbaz is right, I was talking about the bit about him being a mercenary who didn't enjoy football.

Ok

It's quite simple, really, and I don't know why you are picking something which is totally unrelated to the point I was making, in the first place, and twisting it in the second.

eh? How am I twisting? I simply asked you a question. I just wanted to
find out if you thought this story was twisted by the media as well.

As for the other bit, it is very, very clear what he means: even though they are all professionals and were obviously trying hard to get results, there was a fluidity missing from their game, whcih is only ever present when players are truly enjoying their football, because they are happy with the person they are (ultimately) playing for. It's quite simple, really, and I don't know why you are picking something which is totally unrelated to the point I was making, in the first place, and twisting it in the second. If the bloke who decides whether you are going to play or not, and whether you will get sold to :shrug: Charlton or not, is giving you directions that are unclear, so that the team is not functioning as a team, and at the same time is not very approachable, so that you can't talk over the problems, it is going to inhibit your game (and, therefore, your fluidity, and spontaneity), without you actually sitting down and deciding this is gonna happen. So, what he said was "we almost subconsciouly". If you understand the concept of the subconscious you will understand that no one 'decides' in the subconscious...then it wouldn't be the subconscious, would it. So, what he is saying is that it had the same effect as if they had decided, even though it was a subconscious thing related to the fact that they weren't enjoying their football, as the manager was making it unpleasant. 'Arry makes it pleasant, and therefore they are playing without the same restraint.

Clear.

This is basically the same as others have said albiet a longer and more elaborate version. Anyway as a said I'm not interesting in getting into a debate about the subconscious. He seems to have enough awareness of his subconscious to know he wasn't playing his best not only that but he knows what's in the subconsciousness of his team mates too.

Maybe the force is with Darth Benny?:shrug:

Also in that interview he didn't say the directions were unclear but if they were then surely he should just say these directions are unclear, can you explain again please? Simple.

Here's the bottom line inserting subconscious in the interview doesn't let him off the hook as far as I am concerned.

He and other players in the team are paid a lot of money to perform at a top level no matter who the manager is.

 

[StartingPrice]

Apologies Mullers...I'm just a bit stressed at the moment

No, I don't think Benny as implying anything like that the players deliberately dropped their effort level.

I am certain he did say that the instructions were not clear in a previous interview...other players have.

I think the comment about the subconscious was a retrospective statement.

No matter how much money you are paid, whether you are happy in your job, and sure of your role (vital in a team game), or the opposite, has a massive impact on how well you perform.

 

[Mullers]

Apologies Mullers...I'm just a bit stressed at the moment

No worries. :up:

No, I don't think Benny as implying anything like that the players deliberately dropped their effort level.

If I have murdered someone I'm pretty sure if I say that I subconsciously murdered that person, it wouldn't stand up in court. Infact I would be laughed out of court.

I am certain he did say that the instructions were not clear in a previous interview...other players have.

If that's the case like I said why not ask for clarification?

I think the comment about the subconscious was a retrospective statement.

I think it was more of a retrospective excuse.

No matter how much money you are paid, whether you are happy in your job, and sure of your role (vital in a team game), or the opposite, has a massive impact on how well you perform.

I don't care if my boss was King Kong or Arsene Wenger, if I am getting paid a shit load of money and I know that I will be sacked (especially in this economic climate) if I don't do my job well, I will perform.

I have had shit bosses before and I've still done the job as well as I could do it because I didn't want to get the sack and I'm definitely not the only one around that does that.

 

[StartingPrice]

No worries. :up:

If I have murdered someone I'm pretty sure if I say that I subconsciously murdered that person, it wouldn't stand up in court. Infact I would be laughed out of court.
If that's the case like I said why not ask for clarification?

I think it was more of a retrospective excuse.

I don't care if my boss was King Kong or Arsene Wenger, if I am getting paid a shit load of money and I know that I will be sacked (especially in this economic climate) if I don't do my job well, I will perform.

I have had shit bosses before and I've still done the job as well as I could do it because I didn't want to get the sack and I'm definitely not the only one around that does that.

Really, Good Pard'ner, I get accused of over analysing, but even I think you are way over reading into this.

All he was saying was quite simply that in a gmae like football were 'feeling' is very important, they didn't 'feel' right. He then tried to explain it in terms of the subconscious (which may have been a mistake on his part, or a mistranslation, on the journos part), but I think the give away is when he says 'almost'. He is struggling for words to explain a very complex emotional situation.

Football really is a job apart. It might make players pampered primadonnas...but there really is a huge difference between a sport like football, and virtually any other type of work. If you think of it like a cross between 'writer's cramp' and an artist searching for inspiration, that is what anything beyond 'goingthrough the motions' is like on the pitch. Yiou have to 'feel' right. It is the old notion that what you did in the park with your mats, you could do on the biggest stage. Well, very rarely. Look at the situation when you try somethnig flamboyant on the pitch, make an arse ofit,and everyone taks the pee. I once attempted anoverhead kick and completely miss timed it, just as one of the girls took a photo - what a twat I lloked. It certainly made me inhibited about trying it again. Imagine that 'feeling' in front of 35,000 screaming fans (especially oppos), and then add to it the stress of possibly being dropped...do you really think you could play flowing football - I don't think I could.

And, really, I don't believe Benny was saying 'we didn't like Ramos' - more like the whole general atmosphere was wrong and that affected us on the pitch. Add to that that you couldn't actually discuss things with Wandery:shrug:

To be honest, it sounds like you are trying to minimize what it is that 'Arry has done that has transformed the playing staff...though maybe that isn't your intention (just something subconscious:grin.