Welshiespursboyo
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Yep - was at the MS and there was a minute's applause. Was a very emotional day especially as it was Shane's retirement match.
BBC reports Gary Speed has died
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tototoner
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The Blog - Is Gary Speed's death suspicious
http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2011/11/is-gary-speeds-death-suspicious.html
some crazy ideas floating about
http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2011/11/is-gary-speeds-death-suspicious.html
some crazy ideas floating about
theShiznit
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sure it was a he?
Angie Dowds the fitness trainer from Biggest loser UK killed herself a few weeks ago.
obviously that coming out may start even more rumours about their relationship, and maybe a possible ultimatum...
CosmicHotspur
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Doubtful, as she had just broken up with her long-term lesbian partner which could be something to do with her suicide.
theShiznit
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yeah, didn't really think they were linked, didn't she jump off beachy head as well (rather than hanged)
still think the answer may lie on his PC (no not in his pictures) but in anonymous postings made maybe on forums...
still think the answer may lie on his PC (no not in his pictures) but in anonymous postings made maybe on forums...
theShiznit
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just going by what is out there, i cannot believe there is no reason, and it would be perfectly understandable for someone in the media spotlight to open up to complete strangers with the anonymity of a forum giving him a release, if he was unable to tell loved ones.
The rumours are rife though...
1, he was gay couldn't face living a lie (maybe corelates to personal trainer killing himself)
2, Wife cheated/was cheating; If this is the case then we could never know...
3, He was involved in unsavoury behaviours that were catching up with him (could also be linked to Personal trainer...)
Now into the more wild theories form the blog above
4, he was the victim of Paedos and was about to reveal all, and was killed but it was covered up or made to look like suicide.
Even David Icke is involved in that blog (don't know if the Lizard people got Gary though.like they got Lady Di...)
The rumours are rife though...
1, he was gay couldn't face living a lie (maybe corelates to personal trainer killing himself)
2, Wife cheated/was cheating; If this is the case then we could never know...
3, He was involved in unsavoury behaviours that were catching up with him (could also be linked to Personal trainer...)
Now into the more wild theories form the blog above
4, he was the victim of Paedos and was about to reveal all, and was killed but it was covered up or made to look like suicide.
Even David Icke is involved in that blog (don't know if the Lizard people got Gary though.like they got Lady Di...)
CosmicHotspur
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I cannot believe that a man like Gary Speed would not leave a note, at least for his wife to read.
If this is so, then whatever it contained will never be revealed and we will never know. It's even possible the police never saw it and she will never disclose its contents.
There are so many rumours and theories flying around that it's getting increasingly confusing.
There will be a reason and someone may well have hit the nail on the head with guesswork but I think the mystery will prevail.
I have read that he and his family were at a dinner party with two other couples and that he left early and alone. Did he receive a 'phone call and go to meet someone? If so, he deemed it important or urgent enough to leave the dinner party. He must have given an excuse for leaving early, even if a false one.
Whatever the reason, it may have precipitated his decision to take his own life and would not indicate that he had been suffering from depression leading up to his suicide but that it was more likely to be something sudden which shocked and upset him enough to take such a drastic measure.
The police SCers may also bear out that if someone wanted to murder someone, making it look like a suicide by hanging would be one way to get away with it but surely if that were the case, there would be some kind of forensic clues, however small, somewhere in or around that garage.
Would there not have been some sound or noise if he was not alone (or was the garage soundproof?) or was it so early in the morning that no-one passing by or a neighbout would hear or see someone arriving and leaving?
All conjecture and attempting a little detection but I'm none the wiser for all that. :shrug:
If this is so, then whatever it contained will never be revealed and we will never know. It's even possible the police never saw it and she will never disclose its contents.
There are so many rumours and theories flying around that it's getting increasingly confusing.
There will be a reason and someone may well have hit the nail on the head with guesswork but I think the mystery will prevail.
I have read that he and his family were at a dinner party with two other couples and that he left early and alone. Did he receive a 'phone call and go to meet someone? If so, he deemed it important or urgent enough to leave the dinner party. He must have given an excuse for leaving early, even if a false one.
Whatever the reason, it may have precipitated his decision to take his own life and would not indicate that he had been suffering from depression leading up to his suicide but that it was more likely to be something sudden which shocked and upset him enough to take such a drastic measure.
The police SCers may also bear out that if someone wanted to murder someone, making it look like a suicide by hanging would be one way to get away with it but surely if that were the case, there would be some kind of forensic clues, however small, somewhere in or around that garage.
Would there not have been some sound or noise if he was not alone (or was the garage soundproof?) or was it so early in the morning that no-one passing by or a neighbout would hear or see someone arriving and leaving?
All conjecture and attempting a little detection but I'm none the wiser for all that. :shrug:
agrdavidsfan
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- Aug 25, 2005
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It's looking likely we will never know
But apparently his wife was posting strange things on twitter all of November!
Which is strange something tells me she was cheating or leaving him
But apparently his wife was posting strange things on twitter all of November!
Which is strange something tells me she was cheating or leaving him
There is evidence all over the internet, the strongest evidence is the symptoms themselves which you don't dismiss so it seems like it is just the word depression that you are objecting to.
Every case is different and in many cases medication is not the only treatment used for depression, cognitive therapies are also involved that will help a patients development and growth and changes in circumstances, which cannot be denied. In fact I believe medication alone is not a good treatment for depression.
Lanh
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More the practice of lumping a multitude of often contradictory symptoms, into one box and then labelling that an "illness". The name given to that "illness" is quite inconsequential in all honesty.
Agreed, but equally it cannot be declared a "cure".
If the symptoms make a person feel ill then that is why it is called an illness
If a person get's better as a result of that treatment then it can.
Lanh
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:lol: I think we're reaching that point mate.
Not unless you're able to rule out all the possible effects of nature and environmental factors, which it is impossible to do.
:lol:
What possible effects are you talking about? Because like I said every case is different.
Lanh
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One example, (sorry, I'm struggling to keep my eyes open, the proverbial candle's almost out and I need sleep, lol)...
Location change...
I've spoken before about the marked differences between KaiUK and KaiVN, how the latter is much happier, friendlier and relaxed than the former. Okay, so not all environmental changes are quite as dramatic as UK/VN, (it could be city/countryside, north/south, high-rise flat/house), but you get the idea, (I hope?).
StartingPrice
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Another example would be that of the two towns in Norway (I think), far up north. One of the towns is on the south side of a large mountain and the other is on the north side. Due to the location and the low Sun, one of the towns gets virtually no sunlight in Winter, and it has been demonstrated that their suicide rate is far higher than the town on the other side of the mountain in the Winter moths. The only logical explanation is that lack of sunlight has a direct influence on mood.
I personally get SAD - which isn't so bad as I know about it now, and have some coping skills and equipment. But when I was younger I would go from getting up naturally at the crack of dawn, to turning 4 alarm clocks off in succession, having no memory of doing so and wake up way too late, after far too much sub-sleep, feeling even more knackered than when I went to bed. I used to get depressed because no-one discussed it, no-one knew about it, and I didn't like going from being an early riser, full of energy, to this clapped out, drawn, lifeless shell - and slagged off for being lazy (which was so ironic because, like I said, I would be up so early in the Summer, so energetic, and doing work where you needed energy. So you can imagine how little ability I had to cope when anything unsettling happened.
saintlyspur
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gary speed lived in the next village to me for nearly three years and only about 12 miles away from me up untill his tragic end.there are a lot of people around here who new him and his wife quite well so there have been a few rumours floating around ranging from him being gay to him being murdered but the latest one which has been gathering strength is that stephen gerrard was having an affair with his wife.personally I think its a load bollocks and we will never find out why he done it
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