BMJ officially named new Hamburg Manager....

[Makkaveli101]

Does Sir Jol have an email address? I'd love to be able to wish the big man all the best for the future!!! BMJ was good to us!!!! Top bloke!

 

[lily_lane]

Does Sir Jol have an email address? I'd love to be able to wish the big man all the best for the future!!! BMJ was good to us!!!! Top bloke!

I guess you could send it SV Hamburg, and they'll pass it on to him.

 

[Destroyer]

Nice to see you back in the game, good luck & all the best. Perhaps we should send Kay over with a cake to wish him luck ??

 

[lily_lane]

Actually it would be nice if we did en masse wish him luck, I'm sure he'd really appreciate it. :grin:

Maybe this forum could arrange something?

 

[Limee]

Wish him the best of luck and will keep an eye on their results to see how they do.

 

[Stoof]

Seriously Im glad this season is over but some fans can't face facts and accept we were going to struggle in the league when Ramos took over as we were bottom three and had seven points,he got us up the table and won us the carling cup so after that players basically took it easy and made sure we were safe but that was it as we not likely to get top seven so far behind and with some tough games still to come.This Ramos can't motivate the team stuff is rubbish and I find it rather pathetic fans keep using this because Ramos is not some loveable character who cracks jokes but a serious manager who won us a trophy in four months.

Well there seems to be a theme with finding people pathetic - it seems your vagina leeked all over the place by missing the point, just when I warned it not to. Did the players look motivated? Is that the one thing a manager definitely has to do? Of course. I'm not saying he's not capable of it, I'm just saying post-February he plain and simple didn't motivate them. If you say otherwise, we may have issues, because you'd be just wrong!

What do fans like you want?

I don't even know what you mean by that. I said, quite rightly, that I felt strangely ungrateful [that's the reference to another thread where I posted along similar lines, by the way] and didn't know why. And then expressed a personal opinion that paying my hard-earned to watch a succession of bore-draws was not exactly what I was looking for. And what I did see was a group of unenthused disinterested players. Something I neither expect nor want to see again.

Ramos takes over and win a cup in four months and gets us motivated because that squad was so lacking in confidence yet they could come from behind to beat Chelsea but this season is a waste of time and the cup seems long ago when it was the end of February.

People can love Jol all they want but he won nothing and Ramos showed us quickly what it takes by getting a cup,if fans don't like it the cheerful dutchman has gone then tough luck he deserved to go,saying Ramos can't motivate the side is quite funny because why did Jol produce back to back worst ever prem starts and last season when we did get within two points of fourth we went on a 6 game run without a win that costs us a champions league chance and we fell to 11th and had to win 9 out of the last 12 games to scrape uefa footy and 5th place,the collapses for no reason that saw us go back to basics several times were Jol's fault so why could he not motivate a side to stay consistant or start the season fit and ready and fired up instead of that pathetic effort to snatch a point at Sunderland this season.
The Jol lovers can crow about him all they want but he is gone and not to get the I love spurs bullshit from Ramos but instead getting quick success while motivating the side to battle out of relegation and win a cup is pretty good.

If you can't see that no-one has anything against Ramos, and it's purely you that just has no respect or reasonable amount of brain-whirrings to realise that Martin Jol put us on the map, then those glasses need a-changin'.

Jol loved the club so much he went behind it's back and held talks with Newcastle after Bobby Robson left,if you want a load of ego massaging from a manager but no trophy thats your choice but I can see clearly this season was abour Ramos settling in and getting uefa footy and steering us to safety,next season is exciting and I can't understand why our own fans already are writing us off.

At what stage have I written us off? And at what stage did Jol hold talks? You can't make things up, that's just not cricket. But to be fair, your off and middle stumps are so visible that it's just too easy to york you. Beamers it is then.

 

[claw_diddy]

Hamburg have faded away in the latter part of the Bundesliga season and could even miss out on a Uefa Cup place.
They lie in fifth place, one of four sides on 51 points going into the final game of the campaign

You reckon the outgoing manager will go out all guns blazing to help get a Uefa place for BMJ?

Hmmm!

 

[antti19]

Good Luck BMJ!

 

[SpurOfGlory]

Well there seems to be a theme with finding people pathetic - it seems your vagina leeked all over the place by missing the point, just when I warned it not to. Did the players look motivated? Is that the one thing a manager definitely has to do? Of course. I'm not saying he's not capable of it, I'm just saying post-February he plain and simple didn't motivate them. If you say otherwise, we may have issues, because you'd be just wrong!

Vagina leeked,thats a great one where do you get that from a five year old,Ramos can't motivate just like Jol couldn't motivate at various points of his reign at spurs thats why the side couldn't be consistant all season and started so badly this season,what was his excuse or was it never his fault?

I don't even know what you mean by that. I said, quite rightly, that I felt strangely ungrateful [that's the reference to another thread where I posted along similar lines, by the way] and didn't know why. And then expressed a personal opinion that paying my hard-earned to watch a succession of bore-draws was not exactly what I was looking for. And what I did see was a group of unenthused disinterested players. Something I neither expect nor want to see again.

Maybe fans likeyou claiming to support spurs but would happy to be thrashed by Hamburg because Jol is in charge need to take a look at themselves and remember they support spurs not Martin Jol appreciation society,if you wouldn't mind you club getting thrashed by Jol's team thats says it all and clearly points to the Ramos digs about not motivating the side,he can motivate the side to a trophy in 4 month a pity Jol couldn't in 3 years.


If you can't see that no-one has anything against Ramos, and it's purely you that just has no respect or reasonable amount of brain-whirrings to realise that Martin Jol put us on the map, then those glasses need a-changin'.



At what stage have I written us off? And at what stage did Jol hold talks? You can't make things up, that's just not cricket. But to be fair, your off and middle stumps are so visible that it's just too easy to york you. Beamers it is then.

Nice cricket analogies but plain english is fine and if you don't know the simple fact he went and spoke to Newcastle for the managers job then proceded to demand a new deal to stop him walking out then you clearly don't read everything about the club it's pretty common knowledge not made up.
Oh dear did I just point out the loveable dutchman wasn't all that in love with spurs.
As for saying you written us off I didn't I said some fans,try reading the post and don't make things up ''thats not cricket''.:roll:

 

[DFF]

By the way: just before the vaginas get all leaky on here

You beat everyone to the punch on that. :lol:


Good luck, MJ.

 

[900triumph]

Good luck Martin, you are missed - by some of us anyway.
MJ represented the club in a way that was in tune with my own views - about having an English basis to the team, building for the future, being honest and philosophical in victory or defeat and he lead his team effectively, until his authority was undermined. Who knows what might have been achieved had he received full support without the interference of the Kelmsley axis?

I had a couple of opportunities to observe the discipline that he exerted over the players in off the field activities - he was by no means the jovial soft touch that some infer, and the players certainly respected his authority until the dark days of dead man walking.I still have a nagging fear that we may think back on the Jol years as the glory years as far as league position and threat to the top four goes.

I hope that these fears are unfounded and have been impressed by Ramos and Poyet's achievement in winning a trophy playing great football, but MJ impressed me more as a man. I wish him all the best in his new job.

 

[don1]

best of luck im sure he will do ok with them

 

[MarkTHFC9]

Atmosphere at Lane has never been the same since Jol left. Im not so sure it will return even if we become successful, oh well cant have it all...

 

[PT]

Ramos won't be a god unless he starts communicating. But he's not the type to chase popularity votes.

 

[llamafarmer]

Good luck big man! Hope to see you at the Lane again soon!

 

[gibbs131]

Ramos won't be a god unless he starts communicating. But he's not the type to chase popularity votes.

His communications should be to DC (points at the door)

 

[rez9000]

This Ramos can't motivate the team stuff is rubbish and I find it rather pathetic fans keep using this because Ramos is not some loveable character who cracks jokes but a serious manager who won us a trophy in four months.

It's very simple. If Ramos had motivated his team at the end of this season, we wouldn't have gone on a five game bore-draw run, scratched a win at Reading and then been humiliated by Liverpool at home. Since February, the only time we've seen Spurs come alive was against PSV, Chelsea and Man U. We heard the morons claim that BMj couldn't cut it against the Tp 4. Ramos first half-season is the direct opposite. We pull it out of the bag for the Top 4 and then go to sleep against the rest. That strikes of poor motivation. That's not to say that Ramos is a bad manager or that he won't bring success to Spurs, merely that he hasn't managed to get the best out of the squad since the Cup Final. Or would you like to dispute the results?

What do fans like you want? Ramos takes over and win a cup in four months and gets us motivated because that squad was so lacking in confidence yet they could come from behind to beat Chelsea

how about coming from 4-1 down to salvage a point against Villa? It may not have been a nice result, but we battled for it. This is what 'fans like you' have been wrapping yourselves in knots over Jol. When things went badly, it was all Jol's fault. When things went well, it was because of other circumstances. PICK ONE! Either Jol was responsible for the team or he wasn't, which means you either give him all the credit as well as all the criticism, or none of either.

People can love Jol all they want but he won nothing and Ramos showed us quickly what it takes by getting a cup,if fans don't like it the cheerful dutchman has gone then tough luck he deserved to go,

Oh, I seeeeeeeeeeee. So you believe that hamstringing and humiliating him was what he deserved, do you? It seems that you subscribe to the Thaksin Shiniwatra School of Football - if a manager does reasonably well, the goalposts are then moved and he's considered not good enough.

saying Ramos can't motivate the side is quite funny because why did Jol produce back to back worst ever prem starts and last season when we did get within two points of fourth we went on a 6 game run without a win that costs us a champions league chance and we fell to 11th and had to win 9 out of the last 12 games to scrape uefa footy and 5th place,the collapses for no reason that saw us go back to basics several times were Jol's fault so why could he not motivate a side to stay consistant or start the season fit and ready and fired up instead of that pathetic effort to snatch a point at Sunderland this season.

Oh, right. So the pure promotional money-grubbing exercise of the South African tour had nothing to do with it? Or the fact that he wasn't given the players everyone with a basic knowledge of football could tell we were desperate for? Instead of stating our ambitions and strengthening the squad, we were happy for Damien Comolli to pour our money around the continent and then blame Jol when it failed to net results?

Jol loved the club so much he went behind it's back and held talks with Newcastle after Bobby Robson left,if you want a load of ego massaging from a manager but no trophy thats your choice but I can see clearly this season was abour Ramos settling in and getting uefa footy and steering us to safety,next season is exciting and I can't understand why our own fans already are writing us off.

Utter bollocks! Newcastle made the approach, and he refused their advances.

You need to gain some perspective on Spurs history. We'd become a complete joke in the footballing world. We were described as perennial also-rans. Our glory had been tarnished for over a decade and we were a nothing team. Jol gave us the ability to seriously talk about Champions League football in a league when only one team has broken the Top 4 cartel in recent years.

EDIT: If I could speak to Martin Jol, I'd thank him from the very bottom of my heart for what he did for Spurs. Not having witnessed either Nicholson's nor Burkinshaw's reign, he is the only Spurs managerial legend I've had the privilege of seeing.

Anyone who denigrates what he did for us lives in a truly sorry state of mind, and seems to have dismissed the central tenet of Tottenham Hotspur. I quote from another Spurs Legend, Danny Blanchflower:

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Martin Jol encapsulated that spirit. He lived it, owned it and delivered to us, and we owe him nothing but thanks for it.

 

[joey55]

Also, Jol was still coach of RKC when Robson left Newcastle.

 

[SpurOfGlory]

It's very simple. If Ramos had motivated his team at the end of this season, we wouldn't have gone on a five game bore-draw run, scratched a win at Reading and then been humiliated by Liverpool at home. Since February, the only time we've seen Spurs come alive was against PSV, Chelsea and Man U. We heard the morons claim that BMj couldn't cut it against the Tp 4. Ramos first half-season is the direct opposite. We pull it out of the bag for the Top 4 and then go to sleep against the rest. That strikes of poor motivation. That's not to say that Ramos is a bad manager or that he won't bring success to Spurs, merely that he hasn't managed to get the best out of the squad since the Cup Final. Or would you like to dispute the results?
Is that it,he motivated the side to it's worst prem start but also a 4-4 draw aganst Villa is motivation,I think the cup win after coming from behind means a bit more,if five bore draws is not acceptable what about 7 points from the first ten games?
how about coming from 4-1 down to salvage a point against Villa? It may not have been a nice result, but we battled for it. This is what 'fans like you' have been wrapping yourselves in knots over Jol. When things went badly, it was all Jol's fault. When things went well, it was because of other circumstances. PICK ONE! Either Jol was responsible for the team or he wasn't, which means you either give him all the credit as well as all the criticism, or none of either.

Oh, I seeeeeeeeeeee. So you believe that hamstringing and humiliating him was what he deserved, do you? It seems that you subscribe to the Thaksin Shiniwatra School of Football - if a manager does reasonably well, the goalposts are then moved and he's considered not good enough.
Oh is this Jol who joined under Arnesen and totally undermined the manager Santini and forced him out,he even admitted he gave the club 6 months max as assistant and if he didn't the managers job he would walk then his mate walks to Chelski and he moans about being messed around and humiliated-I really feel sorry for someone who won nothing in three years earned millions but couldn't motivate a side to go to Sunderland and get a point opening day
Oh, right. So the pure promotional money-grubbing exercise of the South African tour had nothing to do with it? Or the fact that he wasn't given the players everyone with a basic knowledge of football could tell we were desperate for? Instead of stating our ambitions and strengthening the squad, we were happy for Damien Comolli to pour our money around the continent and then blame Jol when it failed to net results?
Pre season was just a money grabbing exercise and caused fitness problems,your clutching so many straws your hands must hurt,he thought peaking mid season was a good idea hence the slow starts and we know his idea of diets was let the players eat what they want,the defence was a shambles he couldn't coach better and he was responsible for the bad start and all the other problems like all other club members and players and after three years he had to go or is he never at fault?
Utter bollocks! Newcastle made the approach, and he refused their advances.
No he didn't he went into talks then the board issued him a new long term deal to stop him walking,your speaking bollocks it's fact and he also was approached by another club which he spoke to but declined to join.

You need to gain some perspective on Spurs history. We'd become a complete joke in the footballing world. We were described as perennial also-rans. Our glory had been tarnished for over a decade and we were a nothing team. Jol gave us the ability to seriously talk about Champions League football in a league when only one team has broken the Top 4 cartel in recent years.
Thanks for the history lesson but Jol didn't get us back respect on his own others can take some credit,even George Graham won a cup in 6 months,Hoddle got us to a final and Ramos won a cup in 4 months,in the league he may have had our two best placings for awhile but that doesn't make it a significant change all down to Jol,our glory never has or will come down to managers making top five then going backwards without winning anything.
EDIT: If I could speak to Martin Jol, I'd thank him from the very bottom of my heart for what he did for Spurs. Not having witnessed either Nicholson's nor Burkinshaw's reign, he is the only Spurs managerial legend I've had the privilege of seeing.

Anyone who denigrates what he did for us lives in a truly sorry state of mind, and seems to have dismissed the central tenet of Tottenham Hotspur. I quote from another Spurs Legend, Danny Blanchflower:

.

I get this is pro Jol site but all this comes from fans saying they would accept a thrashing by Jol's Hamburg aganst their club,if he can do no wrong and nothing can be said it shows what a narrow minded poster you and other pro Jol fans can be,if you don't like people pointing out his faults then tough you can sing his praises all day,we all respect what he did but his mistakes can be pointed out without that being labelled as some massive anti Jol agenda.
When spurs fans would happily get thrashed by a Jol side that says it all,no point debating merits and ignoring his faults it just make this board a pointless unobjective site or do the rules somewhere state no criticism of Jol?
All the talk of history is funny and I love the heroic speeches but when did spurs fans start supporting Jol before the good of the club,love the man and respect what he done but happily taking a beating because they love a former manager is a joke.

 

[SpurOfGlory]

Also, Jol was still coach of RKC when Robson left Newcastle.

I meant Glenn Roeder not Robson.