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Bellew trying to cash out, but Ward should be ashamed if this happens. He is waaaaaaay above such nonsense. Bellew is the luckiest fighter in the sport ( good luck to him to be honest! )
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Bellew trying to cash out, but Ward should be ashamed if this happens. He is waaaaaaay above such nonsense. Bellew is the luckiest fighter in the sport ( good luck to him to be honest! )
I don't see why Ward should be ashamed. I'm pretty sure this will take place at heavyweight, so it won't be easy for him. Bellew has a lot of heart and he did very well against Haye, injury or not.
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He should be ashamed because he's so much better than this. Bellew is a borderline circus fighter imo. Shout, scream, act up, then either don't see the threats through ( he bottled it and turned away from Stevenson when he felt his power ) or gets shit arse lucky! The bloke he beat for his "world title" was very, very average ( Eddie did the business there no doubt ) and then Haye completely breaks down physically. Few days pass and Bellew is chatting about how he battered Haye in to submission...
I tip my hat to him because he's earning money his actual boxing talent doesn't remotely warrant, but hey, it's often about who you know and always about how much interest you can garner. Notice he's not keen to go back to cruiser to fight. Far too many actual top class, ambitious boxers there!
Ward has no business at heavyweight, just like Bellew doesn't. Anthony Joshua is a heavyweight. The other two will just be fat light heavy/cruiserweights.
Was he knocked out? I had always heard/thought he collapsed
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Collins tells it like he collapsed. Pride I suspect. Still, I guess technically, Tommy Morrison 'collapsed' fighting Ray Mercer!
No great shame in getting knocked out by Eastman, he was a talent.
Eastman''s trainer eluded to it being more sinister than a knock out too
From the independent.....
Eastman's trainer, Ronnie Davies, said: "I was terrified when I saw Steve falling forward on to the canvas. If there was a punch it couldn't have been that hard because we had told them to take it easy."
Do you have some inside info that Collins was actually knocked out? Or just assuming ego overriding facts and calling bs on the story?
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Various stories about it over the years have come out. I've been led to believe he got knocked out from a punch whilst wearing 16oz gloves during an early camp spar. Obviously bit of a surprise, so maybe a combination of 'blacking out' whilst being hit? He went for head scan, turned out he had scar tissue on the brain and he called it quits.
The actual truth will only be known by Collins & Eastman I guess. Ronnie Davies pretty much says he wasn't paying too much interest in the quote above. He's a yes man of the highest order too, hence why he is the only one who tolerates the Eubanks!
Collins got dropped by a virtual nobody in his last fight too. His resistance was on the way out, as usually happens for ageing fighters.
Either way, Collins fighting thesedays simply shouldn't be allowed to happen. He's been talking about a comeback for a couple of years now too. What is it with these old timers who can't let go? Why tarnish his legacy and risk serious injury?
His punch resistance was gone for sure but I still don't see why anyone should doubt the official story in this incidence, or at least why anyone should completely disregard it when both Collins' and Eastman's camps have reported the same thing
Where/who did this 16 oz gloves story come from? is it anything more than hearsay/conjecture? There are always stories about someone getting ko'd in sparring and I am sure many of them are basically Chinese whispers
As for why the man would want to compete still, he obviously felt his legacy was incomplete, not least with the Roy Jones fight never happening (remember the way they were on that "the gloves are off" episode)
He's a fighter, it's his spirit, it's in his heart. He still has the desire to be competitive and prove something (if only to himself perhaps)
Some fighters carrying on too long because they need the money, others can't escape or replace the energy/buzz they get from the act of prize fighting. Roy Jones himself has gone on way too long, Bruno basically went insane post career, many fighters have turned to drugs and wild lives to try and replicate the excitement (Hatton/Calzaghe)
Anyone who's been in the ring can understand on a basic level how the feeling and the adrenaline can be addictive and missed when it's all over, let alone someone who has done it at World Championship level and retired with regrets/unfulfilled ambitions
My reason to give respect to people like Lennox Lewis who successfully walk away while on top and show no signs of turning back
I personally don't like seeing Roy Jones still competing and getting knocked out cold by people not skilled enough to lace his boots just like I didn't like seeing Tyson vs Danny Williams and McBride and I really don't see the appeal of having two people who are long retired coming out to fight each other way past their prime (it's like that De Niro/Stallone movie but this is real life and the idea is stupid in my opinion)
Even if Benn were finally able to beat Eubank, at this age it would be meaningless, it would change the fact that Eubank got the better of him in their World title match and Benn failed to avenge it in the rematch
He deserves to have his moment over Haye. Haye was a disgrace talking about he would put him in hospital. I agree that Bellew isn't the most talented boxer by a long shot, but Ward is looking for a big fight and he has always talked about moving up to heavyweight. The fight would get more PPV buys than the two fights with Kov I'm sure about that and if Ward won, he may take on Parker.
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Decisions like last night ruin it somewhat for me. Pac absolutely won that fight, Jeff Horn was awful and then has the cheek to call out Mayweather.
Do think it's time Manny hangs up the gloves though.
Fancy Crawford to demolish Indongo. Crawford vs Spence Jr is the one I want to see.
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Looking forward to seeing Hughie Fury on Saturday. His father and trainer Peter is someone I used to know. Hughie is unbeaten in around 20 heavyweight bouts and I'm pleased that they have finally sorted out his long term health problem that has restricted his stamina and development. Hughie is due to fight Joseph Parker in September and I expect him to go onto big things in the division.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/boxnationtv/status/883037831245037569/video/1
Readings the "gutta" apparently.
Readings the "gutta" apparently.
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He's still got the drug test failure hanging over him hasn't he?
Hughie is talented but he carries no power at all unfortunately. His style will struggle to attract the casual fan too
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