Boxing thread?

[mark87]

Another knockout win for Anthony Joshua yesterday, it was obviously just a filler match for his fight with Kevin Johnson in three weeks, the guy he was fighting really wasn't anything but the knockout punch in the second round was fucking brutal.

Kevin Johnson was in the crowd watching, had an interview with him and AJ after the fight and Johnson said beating Joshua will be easy. It's gonna be AJ's first real test, Johnson has never been stopped and very experienced but still expect Joshua to win. After that fight, Joshua needs to be facing people like David Price, Manuel Charr and Dereck Chisora to really step on up, then eventually move onto people like Povetkin, Fury and maybe Wilder.

 

[Shea]

I'm going to watch some female Muay Thai tonight. Not sure I'll enjoy it tbh.. I'll try and keep an open mind.

Did you watch the CMT event? (John Wayne Parr's new promotion)

Caged Muay Thai, they wear mma gloves and fight in a UFC style caged octagon but under Muay Thai rules

A guy from my old Thai Boxing club Nathan Epps was competing in it on Saturday night, he was just a kid when I still trained up there, I remember watching him win by knock out in a junior fight with full headgear and shin pads on and now he's fighting with MMA gloves on.

Unfortunately he got stopped after being caught by a spinning elbow but it was a pretty explosive and exciting fight to watch

 

[riggi]

Did you watch the CMT event? (John Wayne Parr's new promotion)

Caged Muay Thai, they wear mma gloves and fight in a UFC style caged octagon but under Muay Thai rules

A guy from my old Thai Boxing club Nathan Epps was competing in it on Saturday night, he was just a kid when I still trained up there, I remember watching him win by knock out in a junior fight with full headgear and shin pads on and now he's fighting with MMA gloves on.

Unfortunately he got stopped after being caught by a spinning elbow but it was a pretty explosive and exciting fight to watch

No but I saw something about it on Facebook. I'll check it out. We did go and watch Thai fight last week. Sanchai and yodsenkli being the highlight. They seemed to just wearing a thicker hand wrap rather than a glove. I have heard of some places going back to Muay boran routes and just wearing rope wraps!

Muay Thai gets messy fast.

 

[Shea]

No but I saw something about it on Facebook. I'll check it out. We did go and watch Thai fight last week. Sanchai and yodsenkli being the highlight. They seemed to just wearing a thicker hand wrap rather than a glove. I have heard of some places going back to Muay boran routes and just wearing rope wraps!

Muay Thai gets messy fast.

I would think the most messy strikes in muay thai are the elbow strikes due to the structure of the olecranon.

They're always exposed in any full rules thai bout anyway

Of course punch strikes tend to land more frequently but I wouldn't expect a thai boxing match with mma gloves to be any worse blood wise than a normal mma match really

Less ground game being the main difference so constant strikes - though equally that means no close range ground and pound which can be the most messy

I think the cmt promotion is on to a good idea - lots of casual fans of mma love the notion of the cage and the little gloves but fail to appreciate the ground fighting aspect of the sport and only want to see a stand up brawl

Cmt potentially appeals to that entire audience and I could see it catching on

 

[hans]

http://boxingtribune-news.com/posts...surrounding-manny-pacquiao---s-injection.html

Since lawsuits started emerging from angry fans feeling cheated out of their mega-fight money, Team Pacquiao has officially changed their story about Manny’s now-infamous right shoulder.

Now, the shoulder, according to Top Rank attorney Daniel Petrocelli, was fine coming into the May 2 bout and injured during the clash with Floyd Mayweather. A tragic reoccurrence of an injury suffered in training camp weeks earlier.

Prior to the talk of class action suits for knowingly entering the ring with a significant and well-hidden handicap, Team Pacquiao’s official story was that they injured the shoulder in camp, treated it with USADA-approved medications, and opted to enter the ring at less than 100% for the sake of keeping the event intact.

In both versions of this story, though, the Nevada State Athletic Commission was cast in the role of villain for their refusal to allow Manny an anti-inflammatory injection a couple of hours before the opening bell.

With no prior reporting of an injury and a medical form where Pacquiao, himself, indicated that he had no shoulder (or any other) injuries, there was simply not enough time to investigate and properly decide whether to allow an injection before this high-stakes bout.

But why would Team Pacquiao be pursuing an injection if, per their new “official” story, the shoulder was fine as of the day of the fight? Petrocelli admits that doctors examined Pacquiao prior to the fight and gave him the thumbs up to go ahead.

One theory is that the medication in that injection may have something to do with Team Pacquiao’s pursuit of the shot.

According to all published accounts, Team Pacquiao requested an injection of Toradol, a powerful anti-inflammatory, for the fighter about two hours before the bout.

Toradol is a legitimate, USADA-approved anti-inflammatory used on patients suffering acute pain from either injury or the post-surgery recovery process. There are many legitimate reasons to use Toradol.

But there are also many illegitimate uses for this product.

It’s the sporting world’s worst kept secret that Toradol has been widely used as somewhat of a legalized cheat or substitute “pep pill” for otherwise healthy players looking to be temporarily rejuvenated for the game. In a legitimately injured athlete Toradol completely masks the effects of that injury, allowing the player to perform as if nothing were wrong. In an athlete not suffering from a debilitating injury, however, it turns him into what could be described as a virtually indestructible force.

The NFL has especially leaned on the use of Toradol, with teams reportedly issuing across the board pre-game injections for their players, injured or not. This dangerous practice has been mentioned in several lawsuits against the NFL from ex-players concerned with the league’s lack of safety precautions.

Toradol, aside from reinvigorating the body, also masks the effects of cramps and, more importantly, wipes clean the symptoms of a concussion. Under the effect of Toradol, an athlete could be seriously injured and dangerously concussed without even knowing it until much later.

“…End the toradol shots...before the game,” said former NFL quarterback Chris Simms. “[it's] basically a super strong pain killer that makes your body numb. You could go run through the wall and you wouldn't really know it until two or three days later.”

Major league pitcher Jonathan Papelbon has also spoken publicly about the routine use of Toradol as a hyper-charged “pick me up” rather than a real pain management treatment.

“You had to get it about 30 minutes before a game, and it made me feel pretty damn good. It only lasted about 4 hours maximum." Papelbon told MedPage Today.

So, could the attempt to secure a Toradol injection before the Mayweather fight have been a cynical stab at abusing the rules and acquiring a safe cheat for the bout? Assuming Pacquiao’s shoulder was well enough to go ahead with the fight--which is the official position now-- was the purpose of the Toradol to eliminate all the typical aches and pains of the athlete, stifle the reoccurrence of Pacquiao’s frequent leg cramps, mask the effects of a concussion, and/or create an artificial sense of infinite well-being and supreme health within Manny? Could it have been all of the above? None of the above?

Pacquiao is said to have undergone successful rotator cuff surgery on Wednesday, but there are so many questions swirling around about Manny’s right shoulder and whether we’ll ever know the real truth behind any of this mess.

Ive had very little respect for Pacman since the refusal to take the random drug testing back in 09. . . Looks like hes a lying piece of shit and have little doubt hes been taking these shots before his fights since 2008, which coincindently is when Bob Arum just said was the timing when he started getting this "recurring shoulder injury". This guy walked through the hardest shots from Cotto, Oscar, Shane, Clottey, Margarito like the damn terminator and didnt go down, makes a lot of sense now. Biggest fraud in boxing.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/boxing/bill-brady-resigns-nevada-athletic-commission

The commission will be busy in the weeks ahead. Next Friday, there are proposed changes to NAC rules regarding drug use and there will be proposals to toughen the penalties for violators.

Next month, the commission is expected to have boxer Manny Pacquiao appear to explain why he might have perjured himself on his prefight medical questionnaire prior to his fight last Saturday against Floyd Mayweather Jr. at the MGM Grand Garden.

 

[Shea]

For those yet to see the footage from the Saul Alvarez vs Kirkland fight

 

[LSUY]

Mitt Romney to box Evander Holyfield in a charity boxing match.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ty.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Gbspurs]

PPV is killing boxing. Just seen an advert for Brook vs Gavin next week which they want £16.95 for!!!!

Shame really as its actually a pretty interesting card and I definitely would have watched but certainly not PPV level event.

 

[mark87]

PPV is killing boxing. Just seen an advert for Brook vs Gavin next week which they want £16.95 for!!!!

Shame really as its actually a pretty interesting card and I definitely would have watched but certainly not PPV level event.

Agree. If it was Brook v Khan then it would be worth the money with the decent undercard that's involved. I'm more looking forward to the Joshua/Johnson fight than the Brook/Gavin fight.

 

[Lilbaz]

Agree. If it was Brook v Khan then it would be worth the money with the decent undercard that's involved. I'm more looking forward to the Joshua/Johnson fight than the Brook/Gavin fight.

What date is the Joshua fight?

 

[Gbspurs]

Agree. If it was Brook v Khan then it would be worth the money with the decent undercard that's involved. I'm more looking forward to the Joshua/Johnson fight than the Brook/Gavin fight.

Joshua/Johnson is a good looking fight and it deserves better exposure. If it was a normal Sky fight it would be watched by far more people than it will now.

Mitchell can't pull in an audience anymore after some high profile failings but despite that you will be guaranteed an entertaining fight with him.

Like I said its a good card so it's a huge shame but that's the way it is nowadays. It seems that whenever it's a British title fight that it goes straight to box office.

Boxing need to do something. It's a shame that both super 6 and prizefighter didn't work long term as they were both great formats. Prizefighters issue is the calibre was too poor. Super 6 line-up was great but no one wanted to wait 2 years to find out the "winner".

 

[mark87]

What date is the Joshua fight?

30th may, it's on the undercard of the brook gavin fight.

 

[Hoops]

30th may, it's on the undercard of the brook gavin fight.

Great. Lots of boxing these next few weeks. Decent fight each week.

 

[mark87]

Great. Lots of boxing these next few weeks. Decent fight each week.

Yeah very true, got dirrell vs de gale next week, now normally I would cheer on the Brit, but de gale is a complete cock, topped off with the fact he's a gooner I really hope he loses. Credit where it's due though, de gale has improved alot and if he and groves ever had a rematch then de gale would win all day long.

 

[Shea]

Yeah very true, got dirrell vs de gale next week, now normally I would cheer on the Brit, but de gale is a complete cock, topped off with the fact he's a gooner I really hope he loses. Credit where it's due though, de gale has improved alot and if he and groves ever had a rematch then de gale would win all day long.

I hate De Gale - but I want him to win the World title so that hopefully there will be a big domestic unification fight for him against Groves

I'm not so sure he'd beat Groves so easily if they rematch - I think the match room/sky hype/spin doctors are promoting it that way but I am not convinced, I think it would (like the first) be a closely contested fight. Groves hasn't been as bad as he's being made out to have been since the Froch rematch and De Gale hasn't been as supreme as Sky like to present him (his opponents have hardly been world class despite what Jim Watt and Eddie Hearns say)

Their rematch, if they're both World Champs, would potentially be another stadium fight and the type of domestic fight that makes you get excited about boxing again

I hope Kevin Mitchell wins his title shot, he's a very exciting and explosive fighter and coming back from the set backs he;s had in his career would be impressive. Frankie Gavin hasn't really lived up to his hype as a pro but it's still a pretty big fight for Kell Brooks to be involved in - think it's a bit of a cheek making it a pay per view but it's a decent enough card so I will probably buy it still

 

[Hoops]

I hate De Gale - but I want him to win the World title so that hopefully there will be a big domestic unification fight for him against Groves

I'm not so sure he'd beat Groves so easily if they rematch - I think the match room/sky hype/spin doctors are promoting it that way but I am not convinced, I think it would (like the first) be a closely contested fight. Groves hasn't been as bad as he's being made out to have been since the Froch rematch and De Gale hasn't been as supreme as Sky like to present him (his opponents have hardly been world class despite what Jim Watt and Eddie Hearns say)

Their rematch, if they're both World Champs, would potentially be another stadium fight and the type of domestic fight that makes you get excited about boxing again

I hope Kevin Mitchell wins his title shot, he's a very exciting and explosive fighter and coming back from the set backs he;s had in his career would be impressive. Frankie Gavin hasn't really lived up to his hype as a pro but it's still a pretty big fight for Kell Brooks to be involved in - think it's a bit of a cheek making it a pay per view but it's a decent enough card so I will probably buy it still

Those fights are a bit meh for me tbh. Brook needs some world class opponents.

Wilder v Johnson, GGG v Canelo/Cotto/Mayweather/Ward, Wlad v Fury/Wilder/Johnson

is what I want to see.

 

[hans]

Those fights are a bit meh for me tbh. Brook needs some world class opponents.

Wilder v Johnson, GGG v Canelo/Cotto/Mayweather/Ward, Wlad v Fury/Wilder/Johnson

is what I want to see.

Johnson?

 

[mark87]

Those fights are a bit meh for me tbh. Brook needs some world class opponents.

Wilder v Johnson, GGG v Canelo/Cotto/Mayweather/Ward, Wlad v Fury/Wilder/Johnson

is what I want to see.

GGG vs any of those opponents would be a great fight, but we all know Mayweather would never take it if ggg dropped a division.

Wlad vs wilder would be an interesting one, but we should be seeing wlad vs fury soon, can only see wlad winning that.

 

[Hoops]

Johnson?

Joshua, my bad

 

[Shea]

Those fights are a bit meh for me tbh. Brook needs some world class opponents.

Wilder v Johnson, GGG v Canelo/Cotto/Mayweather/Ward, Wlad v Fury/Wilder/Johnson

is what I want to see.

But for a domestic card those fights are decent

Two title fights, one for Kevin Mitchell who is a very exciting fighter and interesting character who's had a lot of ups and downs and scrapped his way to another title shot (domestically I can't see any reason why a boxing fan would feel "meh" about seeing him challenge for the world crown)

Kell Brooks, what do you want from him? He's not long recovered from a bad injury and not long made his first defense. He can't fight Khan, or either of May/Pac obviously but he still needs to make a defense. Frankie Gavin might not be a massive name on the world scene but he's still a decent domestic opponent, former amateur Gold medalist (the only one from the UK) and only lost one fight via split decision

Like I said - bit of a cheek making it a pay per view I think but it's still a decent domestic card of boxing for the british boxing audience

As for the fights you mention - Joshua is still a novice, it's completely unrealistic to expect him to be thrown in with Wilder for a world title just now. More realistic to ask him to fight the likes of Chisora and Price first I think, crawl before you start sprinting

Wlad will be fighting Fury it seems, likely to go to purse bids soon so you will have that fight (again why on earth are you mentioning Joshua with Wlad before he's stepped up to domestic title level opponents and proved he can beat them yet?)

GGG - well yes, we'd all like to see him matched against another big name. I think after his recent win The Saul Alverez fight vs GGG makes sense. Mayweather won't happen, Ward is in a weight above and been inactive slow long, plus his defensive style wouldn't make for a good fight....better to see Froch vs GGG if he was to step up to Super Middleweight in my eyes
The fights I want to see GGG involved in at this time are unification matches at middleweight against Lee and Cotto, clean up the divsion and then look at super fights or moving up in weight

I'm more interested in seeing Kovalev fight Stevenson at this time as its the more natural fight and as two champs in the same division should really happen now.