Boxing thread?

[mark87]

There is definitely no rush, but also the division is so weak that they are going to find it difficult picking up fights that boost his cred.

Say he fights Price next, what would be the point in that?

He seems a level headed man so I think everyone's high hopes in him are justified. Going to ge exciting that's for sure. Shame David Haye isn't still around really.

If the money was right I think Haye would come back to fight AJ, but it would have to be alot of money.

 

[class of 62]

There is definitely no rush, but also the division is so weak that they are going to find it difficult picking up fights that boost his cred.

Say he fights Price next, what would be the point in that?

He seems a level headed man so I think everyone's high hopes in him are justified. Going to ge exciting that's for sure. Shame David Haye isn't still around really.

I think you've just got to look to his future instead of past fighters re- haye etc.. think aj is now in the position where some doubt him because he is such an outstanding prospect.. he keep ko 'ing opponents and hes fighting bums... he comes across someone he doesn't ko then he's not that good etc !!.. got a good team around him just worry his promotors are a bit to eager to make him world champion !!.
personally would like to see him go abroad spar and get roughed up in some foriegn gyms as well as fighting bums for the time being!.

 

[haxman]

Disagree. Joshua is learning nothing from fighting the likes of who he has fought so far. He's good enough. It's time to move him up.

 

[mark87]

Would love to see Joshua tear apart Chisora. But it would be interesting to see how he Joshua would fare against an opponent taller than him like David Price.

 

[haxman]

Would love to see Joshua tear apart Chisora. But it would be interesting to see how he Joshua would fare against an opponent taller than him like David Price.

Price can certainly hit, that much we've seen. He may even force Joshua into taking a few steps back. But we also know his chin is very dodgy so I see him going the way of all the rest. I had big hopes for Price, and was disappointed when he got found out.

 

[Gbspurs]

I think you've just got to look to his future instead of past fighters re- haye etc.. think aj is now in the position where some doubt him because he is such an outstanding prospect.. he keep ko 'ing opponents and hes fighting bums... he comes across someone he doesn't ko then he's not that good etc !!.. got a good team around him just worry his promotors are a bit to eager to make him world champion !!.
personally would like to see him go abroad spar and get roughed up in some foriegn gyms as well as fighting bums for the time being!.

It doesn't matter anyway as Joshua's management wouldn't want anything to do with David Haye, retired or not. They need someone who can test his chin, which Haye definitely would but it would be too much or a risk and no reward for beating a retired ex champion. Haye would come back for it though as he certainly has unfinished business.

I suspect Price then Chisora, a few jobbers in between and then someone like Thompson will be the path. All roads lead to Wlad and then a unification fight with Wilder??

For some reason I just don't think Wilder/Vlad will happen.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

It doesn't matter anyway as Joshua's management wouldn't want anything to do with David Haye, retired or not. They need someone who can test his chin, which Haye definitely would but it would be too much or a risk and no reward for beating a retired ex champion. Haye would come back for it though as he certainly has unfinished business.

I suspect Price then Chisora, a few jobbers in between and then someone like Thompson will be the path. All roads lead to Wlad and then a unification fight with Wilder??

For some reason I just don't think Wilder/Vlad will happen.

I think Wlad will retire before he has to face Joshua.

 

[Gbspurs]

I think Wlad will retire before he has to face Joshua.

Probably, although I fancy Wlad as the type to promote some young buck with a changing of the guard style fight. Since he isn't undefeated a loss to a future superstar won't damage his reputation.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Probably, although I fancy Wlad as the type to promote some young buck with a changing of the guard style fight. Since he isn't undefeated a loss to a future superstar won't damage his reputation.

Think he'll go out like his brother, as champ. I think he'll fight Fury then Wilder and hang em up.

 

[Shea]

I actually thought it was a spectacular PPV and well worth the money in the end

Everything on the main card had something to offer with knock downs and stoppages aplenty

Pretty much every round of every fight was engaging and enjoyable - not very often you can say that about a boxing match let alone a whole card

Mitchell was very brave and fought well, probably did as well as he could, but he was out of his depth against a better fight

Kell Brook did what he needed to do, Gavin couldn't take his power.... he needs to be pushed harder now. I'd like to see the Khan fight but I think Amir will continue to pursue Mayweather or Pac.

Well done to Selby and AJ, although AJ needs to be thrown in the deep end now. I'd say fight Price or Chisora but both of them will probably get knocked out quick too, Haye potentially but I doubt we'll see that and I also doubt they will fast track him to World title level before they think he's ready so there will probably be a longer list of non competitive fights for a bit with him being a useful card filler on Match room events

 

[class of 62]

It doesn't matter anyway as Joshua's management wouldn't want anything to do with David Haye, retired or not. They need someone who can test his chin, which Haye definitely would but it would be too much or a risk and no reward for beating a retired ex champion. Haye would come back for it though as he certainly has unfinished business.

I suspect Price then Chisora, a few jobbers in between and then someone like Thompson will be the path. All roads lead to Wlad and then a unification fight with Wilder??

For some reason I just don't think Wilder/Vlad will happen.

aj is at least 2 years away from fighting for the title imho.. wether wilder/ wlad would be around then I don't think would matter.
in this day of supersized heavyweights hayes a blown up cruiserweight.
i'd actually really fancy aj against haye.. aj is deceptively quick for such a big man and reach and height massive weight and power advantage I think it could be quite one sided .
anyway haye will come back and end his squabble with the massivsly overated fury or another short term money fight which he doesn't really need as his shoulder
is fucked but his ego wont allow!.. one or 2 fights is all he's got mark my words.

 

[Shea]

Think he'll go out like his brother, as champ. I think he'll fight Fury then Wilder and hang em up.

That would be most likely

They're the only two left on the scene from his generation so to speak

After them you have people like Joshua who would be getting to world level at a time when he will have had those fights and probably be looking to have retired

I think he beats Fury comfortably and will probably outclass Wilder despite Wilder's punch power giving him an outside shot seeing as Wlad his been caught and stopped in the past

AJ does have a good chance of ruling the division after Wlad steps aside though because the talent pool doesn't look very deep right now

 

[E17yid]

I'd hate to see Joshua fight haye anytime time soon. It's all wrong for him. Don't think Hearn will let that happen.

Looked like Mitchell had a second brain growing out of his eye. Glad it was stopped. That Jorge guy was impressive. Never seen him before.

They all know what we want to see. Khan v brook. That's what we want. I'd also love to see de gayle fight groves again.

As others have said, AJ can fight price first then someone like fury a bit further down the line. Next summer perhaps?

 

[Shea]

I'd hate to see Joshua fight haye anytime time soon. It's all wrong for him. Don't think Hearn will let that happen.

Looked like Mitchell had a second brain growing out of his eye. Glad it was stopped. That Jorge guy was impressive. Never seen him before.

They all know what we want to see. Khan v brook. That's what we want. I'd also love to see de gayle fight groves again.

As others have said, AJ can fight price first then someone like fury a bit further down the line. Next summer perhaps?

Yea no way will Joshua fight haye in my opinion

Probably chisora or price next

Brook vs Khan is the obvious fight but I'm not sure khan wants it and I think he believes he can get a mega money fight with mayweather (and probably fancied it more as a nothing to lose fight than having to put up or shut up against a power Brook)

Groves/DeGayle 3 won't happen until groves wins a title against jack - that's a fight that has the potential to headline a stadium pay per view if the timing is right and th3 marketing is done well so it won't happen until both are champions and the pr machine can make it mainstream again

 

[kr1978]

Was anybody else just listening to talksport? Great chat with Carl Froch and said he would like to fight GGG and would also be happy to fight De Gale. Sounded very much like he wants another fight IMO - would love either of those (although I think he'd batter de gale)

 

[Shea]

Cotto steamrolled Geale and then called for a superfight with Saul Alvarez

Would be an interesting fight, although I think i'd rather see Cotto vs GGG...unless of course Froch fights GGG for the added english interest in the fight

 

[hans]

Cotto steamrolled Geale and then called for a superfight with Saul Alvarez

Would be an interesting fight, although I think i'd rather see Cotto vs GGG...unless of course Froch fights GGG for the added english interest in the fight

Not that impressed with cotto to be fair. Hes refusing to fight at the mw limit and weight draining his opponents, flat out rejecting ggg and the canelo fight has basically been forced on him. I think Canelo will hurt this dude with body shots. GGG will giive him flashbacks of the first margarito fight, he'll murder cotto

 

[Shea]

Not that impressed with cotto to be fair. Hes refusing to fight at the mw limit and weight draining his opponents, flat out rejecting ggg and the canelo fight has basically been forced on him. I think Canelo will hurt this dude with body shots. GGG will giive him flashbacks of the first margarito fight, he'll murder cotto

Cotto is a known entity, he's been around so long now we all know his strengths and his limitations. He's made it to world level but always come up short when tested against the elite

He's an explosive puncher though and pretty much always exciting to watch one way or another, even his fight with Mayweather was less boring than your average Mayweather bout

I think GGG would destroy him but seeing as we've never really seen GGG tested against anyone of any note it would be an interesting fight to see if he could do what he should do and boxing fans all think he can based on what we've seen from him

I think fighting Alvarez would be an interesting match up personally, I'm not convinced Alvarez is an elite level fighter either and I think he's quite overhyped. Possibly still make him favourite to beat Cotto but it's a fight I'd like to see. I'd personally rather see Cotto/GGG or Alvarez/GGG but one way or another I think it's key for boxing to start seeing big name fighters fighting other big name fighters on a regular basis and less one sided match ups

 

[hans]

Cotto is a known entity, he's been around so long now we all know his strengths and his limitations. He's made it to world level but always come up short when tested against the elite

He's an explosive puncher though and pretty much always exciting to watch one way or another, even his fight with Mayweather was less boring than your average Mayweather bout

I think GGG would destroy him but seeing as we've never really seen GGG tested against anyone of any note it would be an interesting fight to see if he could do what he should do and boxing fans all think he can based on what we've seen from him

I think fighting Alvarez would be an interesting match up personally, I'm not convinced Alvarez is an elite level fighter either and I think he's quite overhyped. Possibly still make him favourite to beat Cotto but it's a fight I'd like to see. I'd personally rather see Cotto/GGG or Alvarez/GGG but one way or another I think it's key for boxing to start seeing big name fighters fighting other big name fighters on a regular basis and less one sided match ups

I hear what you're saying. Cotto has been cherry picking since his loss to Trout, look at his last 3 fights - Delvin Rodriguez (journeyman scrub), Sergio who was finished and looking for a PPV payday and now Geale who had his soul taken from him by GGG in more impressive fashion last year at the full MW limit. He's content with weight draining or calling out WWs like bradley/khan/floyd/rios. The canelo fight was more or less set for may this year but he ducked canelo like the plague and sighted personal reasons after canelo gave into all the demands. Then cotto fought 3 weeks after . . . canelo is a superstar in my opinion, hes still only like 23or24 i think, and had some big name wins under his belt already. His last few fights have been much more impressive than cottos imo, and his power is legit. Cotto doesnt deal with power well at all, even Floyd nearly knocked him out. The only potential issue for canelo is whether he will gas out.

I agree - GGG/Canelo is the more interesting fight. GGG is very easy to hit and canelo has the power to hurt him. I think its a 50/50 fight but if i had to, id say Canelo wins it

Btw, i dont think its fair to say GGG is untested . . . KO'd Martin Murray (who beat a healthy Martinez in Argentina - but got robbed) Geale, Rubio, Stevens, Macklin . . . .

 

[Shea]

I hear what you're saying. Cotto has been cherry picking since his loss to Trout, look at his last 3 fights - Delvin Rodriguez (journeyman scrub), Sergio who was finished and looking for a PPV payday and now Geale who had his soul taken from him by GGG in more impressive fashion last year at the full MW limit. He's content with weight draining or calling out WWs like bradley/khan/floyd/rios. The canelo fight was more or less set for may this year but he ducked canelo like the plague and sighted personal reasons after canelo gave into all the demands. Then cotto fought 3 weeks after . . . canelo is a superstar in my opinion, hes still only like 23or24 i think, and had some big name wins under his belt already. His last few fights have been much more impressive than cottos imo, and his power is legit. Cotto doesnt deal with power well at all, even Floyd nearly knocked him out. The only potential issue for canelo is whether he will gas out.

I agree - GGG/Canelo is the more interesting fight. GGG is very easy to hit and canelo has the power to hurt him. I think its a 50/50 fight but if i had to, id say Canelo wins it

Btw, i dont think its fair to say GGG is untested . . . KO'd Martin Murray (who beat a healthy Martinez in Argentina - but got robbed) Geale, Rubio, Stevens, Macklin . . . .

Well yes as I said Cotto has shown his level, he's not elite, never was and is surely past his prime somewhat now. He's world championship level though and he's an exciting fighter to watch plus a big name so his name adds perceived value to fights

As for Alvarez - I guess time will tell. I think its a little soon to consider him elite level and he will need to beat some elite level fighters in his coming fights to prove that. He's certainly a superstar, young, exciting Mexican World Championship level fighter and he's primed for some very big fights in the coming years

As for GGG - I think you're misunderstanding what I intended to say by untested. I am not disputing that he's fought and beat some good fighters impressively but he is yet to fight any elite level fighters or having any superfights so I meant he's untested at the level we (as fans) assume he is at

A good start would be GGG vs Alvarez - the winner would certainly have a big name scalp on their CV and if it were a good/close fight there could be a rematch or even a trilogy potentially. You're not the first person I've heard suggest Alvarez would beat GGG although personally I think GGG would win. That in itself proves what a good match up it is and how it's the type of pick 'em fight boxing needs (no more lop sided mismatches, we need two big name fighters going toe to toe in bouts either could win)