Calum Davenport stabbed (life threatening)

[rich75]

Sorry to be pedantic, Dan, but all the statisticians agree on this one: the 20th Century was the most violent century on record (some estimates put it at around 240m violent deaths, but hardly anyone argues for less than 150m). I don't see much sign of a turnaround in the 21st Century, sadly.

I certainly hope Dav and his mum recover quickly, and that this man is brought to justice.

don't be so daft.. no ones talking about deaths from war here, more the kind of deaths that occur when nutters stab people with knives.. if you genuinely think that more people die on the streets now than they did in years gone by the you've clearly taken leave of your senses

Besides, get a grip on stats.. the number of people who die are unimportant ( at least in stat terms ) , percentage of population is somewhat more important

 

[McFlash]

Best wishes and speedy recoveries to Callum and his ma.

Anyway, damn the stats, it's the frightening ease with which one person can take another's life that appears to be back on the increase nowadays.
I can take a guess that a lot of fights in the pubs of the middle ages ended in a death, but I thought/hoped that we were on our way to growing out of that and of holidng life in higher regard.
The frequency of head stamping on a Saturday night out nowadays sends a shiver down my spine.

There's a whole bloody rant waiting to happen, about parenting, intelligence and maturity but this really isn't the place...

 

[Spurger King]

Echoing the previous sentiments, I wish all the best for Callum and his mother. There really are some vile people out there.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

what planet or parrallel is that please.. i like the mankind there!!!!!!.
nasty news people!!:bang:

fighting & violence was part & parcel of my youth... the difference being if i or my mates got a kicking we didn't come back with blades or shooters..

theres kids killing kids now for "dissing" each other & you say the present day is less violentEek

I think you have an onset of the very common Daily Mail fed middle-class middle-age 'our children will kill us' hysteria. It's Clockwork Orange for this age's 40-somethings.

The difference was in your youth you might know about the very occasional scraps in your town, but something that happening in Bedford wouldn't be heard about anywhere other than in the following week's Bedford Herald. Now it's over the world before the blood clots.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Sorry to be pedantic, Dan, but all the statisticians agree on this one: the 20th Century was the most violent century on record (some estimates put it at around 240m violent deaths, but hardly anyone argues for less than 150m). I don't see much sign of a turnaround in the 21st Century, sadly.

I certainly hope Dav and his mum recover quickly, and that this man is brought to justice.

Think the difference is that that stat doesn't draw a distinction between military and civilian, and obviously includes the two world wars. For the 'man in the street' this is the safest age (in terms of threat from other humans) since the iron age.

 

[Jamturk]

The penalties for these kind of actions are far too lenient and are designed to not deter, therefore maintaing our perceived reliance on the state to govern!

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

The penalties for these kind of actions are far too lenient and are designed to not deter, therefore maintaing our perceived reliance on the state to govern!

We'll, you'll have a ballot paper in front of you later this year and, if you vote blue, David Davis in the Home Office is likely to make your wish come true. Just be careful what you wish for though because there will be a lot of trade offs...

 

[SpursMad]

Well BC, what we do have are historians (in every period of history) who together give us a sense of what has happened. And in any given century (certainly over the last 2000 years), we *do* have a good idea of wars that were fought, plagues that were endured, and so on.

This is obviously straying from the sad news posted above, but just to say, if the history books are anything to go by at all, the bloodshed of the 20th Century simply dwarves the bloodshed in the previous 19 centuries put together. Take a look, for example, at:

http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/why-the-20th-century-was-the-bloodiest-of-all/

The total number of violent deaths might have been higher but that is due largely to the fact that the world wide population has exploded. Maybe a percentage is a better way to look at it it does give a relative number more accurately than simply stating how many violent deaths occurred.

 

[mackay59]

Sounds like a drug debt to me.

 

[NickHSpurs]

Apparently it was his sisters boyfriend. Calum had a row with his sister about the people she spends her time with and her boyfriend obviously didn't like how the conversation went so went off to stab him in both legs.

If that is the case it would seem Calum's concerns for his sister were justified. She's having this twat's kid as well, what a start for that childs life, your Dad nearly kills your Uncle and Nan!

 

[Matt C]

Only been charged with GBH, jeez he stabbed the guy 7 times in the upper leg it should be attempted murder

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Hang on - GBH? :think: For stabbing someone? At the very least GBH with intent, if not wounding, surely? I can see how he could argue out of an attempted murder charge, hence the police won't try and stick a charge on him he could shake off, they want one to stick, but still... :shrug:

I assume the stories of this centering around his sister and the father of her kids are on the money, or not?

 

[Kendall]

GBH and ABH

 

[Rocksuperstar]

GBH and ABH

ABH is nothing though, you can grab someone around the arm, leave slightly reddened finger marks and you're guilty of ABH. GBH is usually reserved for broken bones or internal injuries and wounding is there for stabbings (amongst other bits n pieces) as far as i was aware.

As i said, take them up on charges that will definitely stick, but still sounds a bit odd.

 

[Bronno]

Well we don't know all the details yet, and sometimes news reports don't distinguish between 'wounding' or GBH because they are defined under the same offence. In fact sometimes news reports just get everything completely and utterly wrong.

Most reports are suggesting its GBH with intent, which would be a Sec. 18 offence and carry a maximum term of life imprisonment, the same as attempted murder.

(One report was mentioning that doctors are trying to save his leg, so if there was any doubt regarding his future playing career, that suggests its over).

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Depending on the details, i would expect any defence worth its salt could argue out of a "with intent" anyways, now i think about it. Unless it could be proven he went round there knowing he was going to assault Calum and had pre-planned for it, i expect they'll not bother and just stiff him with the charge as it stands.

As with all this though, speculation on speculation - until any of the details come out, we're all just guessing. Whatever happens though, i hope he's comfortable and the outlook is good for the injuries he's received. Get well soon, Calum and Calums mum.

(still don't get why this is in Spurs Chat though...)

 

[Bronno]

Well certainly regarding a charge of attempted murder. However reckless they appear to have been, their intent seems to have been to cause serious injury (and ruin his career), rather than an attempt to take his life.

Amazing how some people simply do not give a shit about any pain or suffering they cause to others, they just have a negative effect on the society around them. Most of us cannot even remotely identify with that sort of mindset.

Hope he recovers well, but the prospects for a return to football don't look very good.

 

[spurious1]

I think you have an onset of the very common Daily Mail fed middle-class middle-age 'our children will kill us' hysteria. It's Clockwork Orange for this age's 40-somethings.

The difference was in your youth you might know about the very occasional scraps in your town, but something that happening in Bedford wouldn't be heard about anywhere other than in the following week's Bedford Herald. Now it's over the world before the blood clots.

At least in terms of the West, as well as other large swaths of the world, this is certainly the safest time to be alive in recorded history. Until very recently, dying suddenly and prematurely due to disease, war, starvation and accidents was a rather likely end to expect and something that happened with mundane frequency - now such events are (luckily) considered tragic - thus showing their rarity.

As for war, there has been no war in Western Europe in over 60 years - there was no other period in history where it's been so peaceful.

Dangerous to go out of the house nowadays? Would you rather fancy your chances wandering around in the 14th century?

And as to things being "better when I was young", this is an almost universal sentiment, and it's not necessarily due to things getting worse, just to you having the viewpoint of an adult, rather than a child. And of course the information overload, with the the emphasis on information about terrorists, bloodthirsty illegal immigrants, swine flus, knife-wielding cretins and nasty-chanting football hooligans.

 

[cooperman]

don't be so daft.. no ones talking about deaths from war here, more the kind of deaths that occur when nutters stab people with knives.. if you genuinely think that more people die on the streets now than they did in years gone by the you've clearly taken leave of your senses

Besides, get a grip on stats.. the number of people who die are unimportant ( at least in stat terms ) , percentage of population is somewhat more important

I agree that percentage of population is the more significant measure.

And honestly, I'd be happy to read any evidence you have that there is less violent crime now than in years gone by, as a percentage of the world population. At present, all you've offered is an indignant opinion, without any evidence to back it up.

I also understand Dan's distinction between military and civilian deaths (further down the thread). But don't forget that a great many of those who were subjected to violence in the last hundred years were precisely that: civilian. Think of what happened for example in Bosnia, Rwanda, Cambodia.

Now I'm going to get off my soapbox. Seems a bit inappropriate given the reason the thread was started.

 

[NickHSpurs]

On the face of it his sisters seems like a right scum bag.

Reading The Sun this morning, apparently the father of her first kid is already in jail and yesterday she went along to court to support her current boyfriend and father of the child she's carrying.

She mouthed in front of the whole court 'I love you' to him apparently.

Looks like she's made her choice, she's not really thought that one through has she, when he's banged up behind bars and she's banged up with his kid, her family aren't gonna interested if she's supporting the man who stabbed her mum and brother!

She's already got a black eye as well.