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Marty

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That is a great front four. Unfortunately I don't think Southgate will play that.
Mount and Foden are undroppable in my eyes but yeah having thought about it my bet is Sterling over Grealish and Rashford to miss out unless Mount plays deep with Rice which certainly won't happen in the knockouts.
 

Marty

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No idea what that means but I wonder if he’s out of the Euros after that.
Nose fracture and eye socket fracture. I definitely wouldn't be sure he recovers in time and if he somehow does he will surely have to wear a protective mask.
 

spursfan77

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Nose fracture and eye socket fracture. I definitely wouldn't be sure he recovers in time and if he somehow does he will surely have to wear a protective mask.

Sounds painful to play football with though. Not sure you’d want to head the ball with those injuries. They’d just make them worse.
 

Tucker

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Yeah the eye socket thing doesn’t sound like the kind of thing someone should risk playing with, even with a protective mask.

That’s a nasty injury.
 

Thewobbler

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No idea what that means but I wonder if he’s out of the Euros after that.

Well he didnt require surgery so thats good news. They might take him and hope they can get through the group stage without him and then he might be able to play in the KO stage
 

rightwayup

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Thought at the time the challenge was borderline red. Looking at the replays Rudiger is running in the direction that De Bruyne lays the ball off in. Rudiger then puts the brakes onto body check him and connects with De Bruynes head with his shoulder. Would have been red in a Rugby match let alone a football match.
 

thebenjamin

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Thought at the time the challenge was borderline red. Looking at the replays Rudiger is running in the direction that De Bruyne lays the ball off in. Rudiger then puts the brakes onto body check him and connects with De Bruynes head with his shoulder. Would have been red in a Rugby match let alone a football match.

As much as I despise rudiger it's an incredible foul. He saw the chance to put City's best player out of the game and he took it. Would've been worth the red card but he even managed to swerve that.
 

TheTanguy

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It's tempting to be overly critical because it was Rudiger, but don't think that a yellow was a bad decision. Unlucky for De Bruyne though.
 

Gbspurs

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It's tempting to be overly critical because it was Rudiger, but don't think that a yellow was a bad decision. Unlucky for De Bruyne though.

Surely it's a red, he has no intention other than taking out De Bruyne and does it which such force he has fractured the guys eye socket. I don't understand show if he had raised his hands it's a red but this is a yellow.
 

TheTanguy

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Surely it's a red, he has no intention other than taking out De Bruyne and does it which such force he has fractured the guys eye socket.
It was a cynical block to prevent him from running into space, which is a yellow. The fractured eye socket is unlucky, but doesn't necessarily make it a red.

This whole idea that Rudiger did it to take him out of the game sounds a bit silly to me.
 
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southlondonyiddo

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It was a cynical block to prevent him from running into space, which is a yellow. The fractured eye socket is unlucky, but doesn't necessarily make it a red.

This whole idea that Rudiger did it to take him out of the game sounds a bit silly to me.

It would sound silly if it wasn’t Rudiger. Dirty ****. Uses gamesmanship and the dark arts as well as anyone

Even hears crowd noises at opportune moments!!
 

Shadydan

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It was a cynical block to prevent him from running into space, which is a yellow. The fractured eye socket is unlucky, but doesn't necessarily make it a red.

This whole idea that Rudiger did it to take him out of the game sounds a bit silly to me.

In the context of what happened to De Bruyne you have to send him off purely because of the intent.
 

TheTanguy

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In the context of what happened to De Bruyne you have to send him off purely because of the intent.
He blocked him nearby the centre line, which is a yellow. Of course you can assume all kind of extra bad intentions, but that counts for nothing.. We would be fuming if Alderweireld gets a red for such a block, and rightly so.

If anything De Bruyne was very unlucky there.
 

SixtyFour

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It was a cynical block to prevent him from running into space, which is a yellow. The fractured eye socket is unlucky, but doesn't necessarily make it a red.

This whole idea that Rudiger did it to take him out of the game sounds a bit silly to me.
Playing devil’s advocate: he had no intention of playing the ball, every intention of playing the man, and the man wound up hospitalised. That could be the dictionary definition of serious foul play. Not that I think Rudiger set out break his bones, but he definitely set out to foul him - and can have had no complaint if that choice had earned a red card, other than ‘isn’t that normally a yellow’. Which for me is an increasing problem in football (and one Man City themselves have long exploited. The disincentives for the cynical midfield foul are simply not big enough and need sorting out.
 

Shadydan

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He blocked him around the centre line, which is a yellow. Of course you can assume all kind of extra bad intentions, but that counts for nothing.

Right but again the context of what happened to De Bruyne it should be a red because it was overzealous and dangerous, clearly.

You can make a professional/tactical foul without injuring another player which is a yellow card that's not what happened.
 

Marty

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The Athletic is worth subscribing to just for Michael Cox (bottom tweet is his CL final breakdown)

 

TheTanguy

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Right but again the context of what happened to De Bruyne it should be a red because it was overzealous and dangerous, clearly.

You can make a professional/tactical foul without injuring another player which is a yellow card that's not what happened.
The outcome is very sad for De Bruyne and Man. City, but I don't think Rudiger took too much risk there, not enough for a red. It's a cynical block and every now and then it will injure the opponent, unlucky, but the challenge itself wasn't that reckless or dangerous.
 
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