Christian Benteke

[bubble07]

25m is way way too much. 20m is more then fair. Our magic range is 16 to 17m plus we throw in a player up to the value of 6m like huddlestone and loan them a youngster for the season for nothing

 

[nedley]

As much as I like the player he is no way worth £25m.

His potential maybe, but certainly not his current ability.

If he is the only forward brought in this summer I will be hugely disappointed.

I'm expecting us to get on-top of this striker situation, which IMO has been a massive downfall over the years considering our exceptional performance in bringing in quality players everywhere else.

 

[Garyspurs]

I'm in the firm belief that a compromise will eventually be made between the two clubs. My prediction is a fee of £19million plus an inclusion on £4million of Levy's "never in a million years" add-ons, such as he scores a thousand goals for spurs and we win the world cup. If we can manage to get Benteke for anything around £22million I will be more than happy.

 

[class of 62]

just cant see levy ripping the arse out of our transfer budget & a new club record for a for benteke..

 

[donny1013]

Benteke in a very average side had a fantastic debut season, when I've seen he still looks quite raw though. With better players around him he could potentially be even better than last season. That type of money is a gamble but that is the transfer window these days, prices are mental.

I also wonder who else we could actually get? Leandro (yawn), negredo, soldado. There is not that much out there and they are unproven in the EPL so still a gamble with the type of money being quoted.

 

[paulcumpstone]

somebody (club or agent) has convinced him they will sign him regardless for him to put in a transfer request, am certain of that.

 

[Blake Griffin]

where does this idea come from that avb would want a more "technical" striker? is it because he's a stylish portugeeza? let's review. his previous side, porto, were a team built around power, the only player they had who you'd describe as being technical was joao moutinho. before this he worked as an apprentice under jose mourinho's chelsea, another side who was built around pace and power. their main man up top - drogba, whilst being technically skilled was a player who thrived on bullying and overpowering the opposition. benteke seems to have earnt this tag amongst some as being a bit of an oaf who simply gets by with his power, to me that is incredibly unfair, the guy can also play as well. my opinion is that avb thinks that given the respective budgets of spurs and the other four teams that it'll be difficult to "outplay" them so why not try to overpower them instead? we have just spent £17m on a power before style midfielder afterall.

not to mention that avb has in fact spoke fondly of benteke before - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/25/tottenham-andre-villas-boas-christian-benteke

 

[3Dnata]

I've got a feeling this is going to be a long frustrating window re strikers with this going to the wire and not before the season starts.
I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Mr Pink]

where does this idea come from that avb would want a more "technical" striker? is it because he's a stylish portugeeza? let's review. his previous side, porto, were a team built around power, the only player they had who you'd describe as being technical was joao moutinho. before this he worked as an apprentice under jose mourinho's chelsea, another side who was built around pace and power. their main man up top - drogba, whilst being technically skilled was a player who thrived on bullying and overpowering the opposition. benteke seems to have earnt this tag amongst some as being a bit of an oaf who simply gets by with his power, to me that is incredibly unfair, the guy can also play as well. my opinion is that avb thinks that given the respective budgets of spurs and the other four teams that it'll be difficult to "outplay" them so why not try to overpower them instead? we have just spent £17m on a power before style midfielder afterall.

not to mention that avb has in fact spoke fondly of benteke before - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/25/tottenham-andre-villas-boas-christian-benteke

Excellent post.

 

[playboypaul]

My impression from watching between 5 and 10 Villa games last season is it's not great, but at least it's somewhat better than that of a Hippo. Looking at the stats he sees much more of the ball and looses the ball less often (as compared to amount of touches/min) than Defoe and Adebayor.

I guess we can go by touches of the ball and how often he was dispossessed, though this obviously doesn't tell the whole story.

Defoe: 749 touches - 47 unsuccessful touches - was dispossessed 42 times
Adebayor: 891 touches - 60 unsuccessful touches - was dispossessed 60 times
Benteke: 1575 touches - 76 unsuccessful touches - was dispossessed 83 times

Out of the three Benteke is the runaway winner in the "total losses of possession" category, but this is due to his low passing accuracy more than poor ball control.

With those numbers, it says to me that in 749 touches, Defoe lost it or failed to control it (47 + 42) = 89 times.

So, if we do the maths and wanted to figure out the ratio for successful touches vs unsuccessful touches we would do this:

Defoe: 749 ÷ (47 + 42) = 8.42

What that tells us is that Defoe's ratio for successful vs unsuccessful (retains ball vs is dispossessed/loses control) touches on the ball is:

8.42:1

If we do the maths for the Adebayor and Benteke we get these results:

Adebayor: 891 ÷ (60 + 60) = 7.43 Ratio = 7.43:1

Beteke: 1,575 ÷ (76 + 83) = 9.91 Ratio = 9.91:1

So, even though Benteke has lost the ball/been disposed more times in total then Adebayor and Defoe, when you look at it on averages, he is actually losing the ball less then the other two.

Defoe: Retains ball 8.42 times for every 1 time he loses it.

Adebayor: Retains ball 7.43 times for every 1 time he loses it.

Benteke: Retains ball 9.91 times for every 1 time he loses it.

 

[Ossie85]

where does this idea come from that avb would want a more "technical" striker? is it because he's a stylish portugeeza? let's review. his previous side, porto, were a team built around power, the only player they had who you'd describe as being technical was joao moutinho. before this he worked as an apprentice under jose mourinho's chelsea, another side who was built around pace and power. their main man up top - drogba, whilst being technically skilled was a player who thrived on bullying and overpowering the opposition. benteke seems to have earnt this tag amongst some as being a bit of an oaf who simply gets by with his power, to me that is incredibly unfair, the guy can also play as well. my opinion is that avb thinks that given the respective budgets of spurs and the other four teams that it'll be difficult to "outplay" them so why not try to overpower them instead? we have just spent £17m on a power before style midfielder afterall.

not to mention that avb has in fact spoke fondly of benteke before - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/25/tottenham-andre-villas-boas-christian-benteke

Yet David Villa was his first choice until he rejected us. Falcao is not a big guy. He's 5'10.
And at Chelsea he used Fernando Torres, certainly not a powerful player, even when he had Drogba.

 

[Lilbaz]

With those numbers, it says to me that in 749 touches, Defoe lost it or failed to control it (47 + 42) = 89 times.

So, if we do the maths and wanted to figure out the ratio for successful touches vs unsuccessful touches we would do this:

Defoe: 749 ÷ (47 + 42) = 8.42

What that tells us is that Defoe's ratio for successful vs unsuccessful (retains ball vs is dispossessed/loses control) touches on the ball is:

8.42:1

If we do the maths for the Adebayor and Benteke we get these results:

Adebayor: 891 ÷ (60 + 60) = 7.43 Ratio = 7.43:1

Beteke: 1,575 ÷ (76 + 83) = 9.91 Ratio = 9.91:1

So, even though Benteke has lost the ball/been disposed more times in total then Adebayor and Defoe, when you look at it on averages, he is actually losing the ball less then the other two.

Defoe: Retains ball 8.42 times for every 1 time he loses it.

Adebayor: Retains ball 7.43 times for every 1 time he loses it.

Benteke: Retains ball 9.91 times for every 1 time he loses it.

Also has a much better conversion rate and will probably have more time on the ball with us, simply because we have more possession than villa.

 

[Pete Spur]

Also has a much better conversion rate and will probably have more time on the ball with us, simply because we have more possession than villa.

more time with his back to goal and 2 defenders on him lol

 

[Blake Griffin]

Yet David Villa was his first choice until he rejected us. Falcao is not a big guy. He's 5'10.
And at Chelsea he used Fernando Torres, certainly not a powerful player, even when he had Drogba.

how do you know david villa was his or even our first choice? a few tenuous paper links? even then he could've been coming in as a wide forward rather than a central role. falcao's not big but he plays like an old-fashioned centre forward, he doesn't do a whole lot off the ball and i'd struggle to call him a "technical" striker. as for torres and drogba, we all know that torres was abramovich's guy and his instructions to avb was to phase out the old guard. i still wouldn't describe torres as a technical striker either, when he was on top at liverpool, it was his his pace, power and finishing that put him there.

 

[Lilbaz]

more time with his back to goal and 2 defenders on him lol

Then that means more space for bale, paulinho etc...

 

[Pete Spur]

Then that means more space for bale, paulinho etc...

then we'll beable to really see if he's a 20+ mil striker or not

I'd rather bring Berby back for afew seasons on the cheap

 

[Blake Griffin]

You can't really compare Messi to Bernard. We wouldn't even be discussing buying him if he was in the same league.

FYI Messi is 5 ft 7. Bernard is 5 ft 4.

he didn't stand out as being particularly short after watching atletico vs newells. i'd be very surprised if he really is 5'4, i'd say he's more likely to be 5'6 or 5'7. even then i don't personally see what height has to do with anything in football, as long as he's not asked to mark peter crouch at corners there isn't a problem.

 

[Lilbaz]

then we'll beable to really see if he's a 20+ mil striker or not

I'd rather bring Berby back for afew seasons on the cheap

Looking back at clips from last season a few of his goals came with his back to goal but also from set pieces.

 

[Ossie85]

how do you know david villa was his or even our first choice? a few tenuous paper links? even then he could've been coming in as a wide forward rather than a central role. falcao's not big but he plays like an old-fashioned centre forward, he doesn't do a whole lot off the ball and i'd struggle to call him a "technical" striker. as for torres and drogba, we all know that torres was abramovich's guy and his instructions to avb was to phase out the old guard. i still wouldn't describe torres as a technical striker either, when he was on top at liverpool, it was his his pace, power and finishing that put him there.

Several ITKs claimed Villa was a top target. And I doubt he was going to play wide, given that it's one of the reasons he was leaving.

And I'd like to to name me 3 #9 more technical that Torres in the EPL

 

[Blake Griffin]

Several ITKs claimed Villa was a top target. And I doubt he was going to play wide, given that it's one of the reasons he was leaving.

And I'd like to to name me 3 #9 more technical that Torres in the EPL

van persie, aguero, suarez.

and i'll give you a 4th because i'm a generous person - berbatov.