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Christian Eriksen claims Tottenham don't need to spend big like their rivals

dudu

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First 11's don't win trophies.

Squads do and ours have holes in it.

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I would say Chelseas fielded a much much more consistent first 11 than us last year.... Thier first 11 pretty much won them the league
 

Hazardousman

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It would be pretty arrogant of us to not strengthen our squad (in terms of depth) I am of the opinion that our first 11 and squad could win a trophy but it would be at the expense of numerous other competitions.

We have just sold our first choice RB to a league Rival, we have only one RB option, if he gets injured then we have to rely on a player that hasn't even played a PL game OR move another player in our squad to RB upsetting the balance of our team.

I see no reason why we cannot strengthen the squad, it is one thing being confident in who we have and I admire that, I truly do, but it's another thing to be completely ignorant to the reality of the situation which is that, we can't afford to stand still, Levy must understand that some investment in the squad is needed, the penny pinching can only go so far before it shoots you in the foot.

We are so close, this squad is ready to win a trophy, it would be a huge missed opportunity to not do so because we didn't want to spend a few million getting in some reliable back up options.

Josh King would be a great backup to Kane for example, he could play in the cup and champions league games, I am sure we could get a deal done for him.

Personally, I don't even think we need Barkley, he is overrated and when he played against us I was unimpressed by him, I know that's only one game but he doesn't seem like a good fit for a Poch team and I don't see where he would fit in to the squad, that's an expensive bench player imo.

We need inexpensive options that can come in and do a job when called upon and we need a ready made RB to replace trippier because if he gets injured or doesn't do as well as expected then we have a huge problem on our hands.

It seems to me like we are having a hard time identifying targets because we are too focused on how to improve the first 11 rather than how to improve the squad.
 

nedley

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I would say Chelseas fielded a much much more consistent first 11 than us last year.... Thier first 11 pretty much won them the league

They had no European football to contend with.

They also miraculously had fuck all injuries.

They also had a better bench with players like Bats coming on to win them the league.
 

SEANSPURS1975

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We don't necessarily need to spend huge, but we definitely need to strengthen the squad in certain areas.
It also depends on what we are aiming for this season.
As some have alluded to we are so close to achieving something big. If we don't try and improve now, when?
Imagine our current squad with 2/3 real quality signings.
Why not freshen things up, to get more competition for places. To push our players even further.
New players give the squad and the fans a lift especially with all our rivals splashing out and improving their squads.
We're already weaker than last season with Walker leaving and with the move to Wembley.
If we stay as we are top four is the best we can hope for, which would still be an achievement.
But we are so close to being a title winning squad. Let's go for it...COYS
 

Lighty64

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First 11's don't win trophies.

Squads do and ours have holes in it.

My onions.

that is so wrong, most teams that win the league ever since I've been following football have won the title using very little rotation when it comes to winning the league.

for them to win the cups it depends on the ops they draw, and most of the time the winners of the cups CoC and FA Cup have been won by teams that have had very favourable draws (mainly since the PL era)
 
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Its a fine line to either give youth a chance or buy players to backup our established first XI.

If you would ask me who is not up to it. I'll say Carter-Vickers, Onomah, N'koudou.
And it is not to say they are shit. Far from it. I just think they need regular game time in which they won't get at spurs. A season loan is what they need.

So if we loan these young players out, what do we need?

CB - someone that is probably happy to be 5th choice given Dier regularly deputises in case of injuries. Will almost have to be an unknown foreigner (Foyth)

CM/AM - Barkley is the no brainer here.

LW - It's a shame that Monaco won't sell Lemar. Would be a perfect player for spurs. Especially after he roasted us in champions league last year.

Regarding Sissoko and Jansson. I'm not ready to give up on them after one season. Especially given the success of Heung Min Son in his 2nd season.

As weird as this sounds, we actually need Sissoko as a squad player to be a backup right wing given Lamela's injury issues. If Lamela makes a successful return from injury, then we can look to flick Sissoko off to another team next offseason.
 

Lighty64

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I dont think its implied we're arrogant at all. This sums up the article perfectly and i dont see how anyone can disagree.

Now, Tottenham have an excellent squad. Tottenham's first XI is up there with any in the Premier League. Tottenham have young players who continue to improve and others, like Harry Winks, who may now be first-team ready. Yet the fact remains, they couldn't get past Leicester, and then they couldn't get past Chelsea.

And Chelsea have made what they hope will be improvements on a team who set the record for Premier League wins. Do Tottenham have, right now, players coming through their ranks who are at the same level as Antonio Rudiger, Tiemoue Bakayoko and Alvaro Morata? If not, then it will be very hard to overtake Chelsea this season.

This is not about breaking up Tottenham's starting XI or blocking the pathway of promising young players; this is not about buying just anyone, but of providing options.


No denying there's a long way to go in the transfer window but any reporter or media outlet can only work with the facts as of the time they write the article and at the moment we've not signed anyone.

but even if we did sign anyone he would still be able to write the same article, because whoever we sign is mainly going to be a squad player, and we are not in a position to be able to go out and buy squad players that want 100+ k and are going to sit on the bench.

not 1 club has signed a striker yet, that we would replace Kane with. yep Kane might get an injury, but he might not.

tell me 1 player that any team has signed that you would want in place of our 3 behind Kane? should Alli, Eriksen, and Son be rotated regularly? in my time of watching football players play better when they play regular. ok we need to rotate for the CoC, and if we can prior to a CL match, but ask all 3 players if they want to be rotated, and the answer will be NO

yes we do need cover at right back, really don't think KWP is ready for the prem yet. we also want Barkley but at the moment Everton will not budge on £50 for a player with just 1 year on his contract, and there is no way we should pay £50 mil.

Everton, Man C and Chelsea have all spent big, but Everton look like they will eventually lose their 2nd most influential player of last season, and have to bed all these players in, same with Pep at City and Conti at Chelsea, the only difference is both those teams can afford to sign players for 50+ mill pay them 2-3 times what we can afford, and have them sit on the bench.

we have a very settled team that has experience of playing as a team, and over the last 3 years has grown stronger, especially with the odd addition. just because we are playing at Wembley next season it's no good us going out and buying 3-4 players that might not even settle, and might unsettle what we have now.
 

nasescoba1985

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Depressing reading this. Every single club including last seasons league winners are improving their teams/squads whilst we are standing still like a bunch of buffoons as per usual. What makes us so special ? We proved last season we couldn't handle both the CL and league. I just don't get what the board and Levy are playing at ? We were already told the stadium would have no impact on transfers and we have just sold Walker for 50 mil.
 

dudu

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They had no European football to contend with.

They also miraculously had fuck all injuries.

They also had a better bench with players like Bats coming on to win them the league.

They still won the league with their first 11.

Our squad was better than everyone's bar theirs, even Liverpools who had no Europe either.

Ultimately our squad was so nearly good enough when you consider that we're actually very unlucky with our injuries.

We will most likely still have the most settled starting 11 of the top 6 and with one or two additions plus youth and fringe players from last year having had a full Season in the first team.... I really don't think we Re far off having the squad depth you're talking about us needing
 

Japhet

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that is so wrong, most teams that win the league ever since I've been following football have won the title using very little rotation when it comes to winning the league.

for them to win the cups it depends on the ops they draw, and most of the time the winners of the cups CoC and FA Cup have been won by teams that have had very favourable draws (mainly since the PL era)


It's not really about rotating the starting XI. It's about having game changers on the bench. When you can routinely bring on Hazard, Willian, Fabregas, Pedro etc., you can also keep your starters fresh with no drop off in quality. Our bench looked very threadbare at time last season, especially when we had a few injuries.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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It's not really about rotating the starting XI. It's about having game changers on the bench. When you can routinely bring on Hazard, Willian, Fabregas, Pedro etc., you can also keep your starters fresh with no drop off in quality. Our bench looked very threadbare at time last season, especially when we had a few injuries.

Our main issue with this is that we can't afford to have players on 100k+ pw sitting on our bench like they can. So it's inevitably made up of young players and fringe players.
 

Japhet

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Our main issue with this is that we can't afford to have players on 100k+ pw sitting on our bench like they can. So it's inevitably made up of young players and fringe players.


Yes, I agree, but it's still an area of weakness for us. I'm hopeful that Onomah and KWP can make the step up this season. Onomah was on the bench a fair bit last season but got no time on the pitch. I thought he was a bit light weight the season before but maybe he's strong enough now. Less sure about KWP who looks feather weight to me. Also banking on Lamela getting fit again which would be like a new signing.
 

Shadydan

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Yes, I agree, but it's still an area of weakness for us. I'm hopeful that Onomah and KWP can make the step up this season. Onomah was on the bench a fair bit last season but got no time on the pitch. I thought he was a bit light weight the season before but maybe he's strong enough now. Less sure about KWP who looks feather weight to me. Also banking on Lamela getting fit again which would be like a new signing.

If we manage to keep everyone fit our bench could look like this:

Vorm
KWP
Davies
Winks
Son
Lamela
Janssen

I think that's pretty decent, last season though our lack of options was magnified because we had so many damn injuries.
 

JAYSTAR

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What we really need is a another genuinely decent CM. I also agree with others that we need a RWB, much as I'm looking forward to seeing Walker Peters come through in our Cup matches. Winks is doing well at coming on as a sub and relieving Dembele, but when we're talking about Champions League and Premier League fixtures, then we need a top level player to play instead of Dembele when he's rested.

Personally, I'm not sold on Barclay, he's more of an AM and if Lamela is going to be back, then we have Son and Lamela to cover Eriksen and Alli.

Sissoko could go to raise more money for the two players we need. We do need cover at RCB, but we can play 4 at the back if we have to and therefore have cover with Dier and Wimmer able to cover for Toby and Verts and Davies as LCB or LWB.

So the priorities for me are: CM and RWB. Hence, Foyth and Kovacic interest?
 

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What we really need is a another genuinely decent CM. I also agree with others that we need a RWB, much as I'm looking forward to seeing Walker Peters come through in our Cup matches. Winks is doing well at coming on as a sub and relieving Dembele, but when we're talking about Champions League and Premier League fixtures, then we need a top level player to play instead of Dembele when he's rested.

Personally, I'm not sold on Barclay, he's more of an AM and if Lamela is going to be back, then we have Son and Lamela to cover Eriksen and Alli.

Sissoko could go to raise more money for the two players we need. We do need cover at RCB, but we can play 4 at the back if we have to and therefore have cover with Dier and Wimmer able to cover for Toby and Verts and Davies as LCB or LWB.

So the priorities for me are: CM and RWB. Hence, Foyth and Kovacic interest?
Winks will be that player, if he's not already, and as such I would be completely comfortable seeing him starting a run of PL, or even CL, games. All signing another CM does is reduce his opportunities in what is a crucial development period for him.

If he plays 20+ games this season then he's ready to succeed Dembele next imo as our first choice.
 

Japhet

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If we manage to keep everyone fit our bench could look like this:

Vorm
KWP
Davies
Winks
Son
Lamela
Janssen

I think that's pretty decent, last season though our lack of options was magnified because we had so many damn injuries.


Looks OK until we get a few knocks (which is inevitable). We were stretched to the limit a lot of last season and got blown away in the CL. I'm not advocating a spending spree but think we need a bit more of a safety net.
 

bubble07

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If we manage to keep everyone fit our bench could look like this:

Vorm
KWP
Davies
Winks
Son
Lamela
Janssen

I think that's pretty decent, last season though our lack of options was magnified because we had so many damn injuries.

it's decent but no team has a totally fit squad so a couple of additions of similar quality and we should be fine. We already have 3 injuries

So as it stands if our season started tomorrow our bench would be

Vorm
KWP
Wimmer
Winks
Onomah
GKN
Janssen

Sadly nowhere near good enough
 

HildoSpur

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Depressing reading this. Every single club including last seasons league winners are improving their teams/squads whilst we are standing still like a bunch of buffoons as per usual. What makes us so special ? We proved last season we couldn't handle both the CL and league. I just don't get what the board and Levy are playing at ? We were already told the stadium would have no impact on transfers and we have just sold Walker for 50 mil.

What makes us special is that we are one of the very few teams that have a young, settled team that will continue to improve with experience and coaching. Hense why we are not standing still, we are in a continual process of improvement. We will bring in a couple of players to fill any gaps. Basically, relax a bit.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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What we really need is a another genuinely decent CM. I also agree with others that we need a RWB, much as I'm looking forward to seeing Walker Peters come through in our Cup matches. Winks is doing well at coming on as a sub and relieving Dembele, but when we're talking about Champions League and Premier League fixtures, then we need a top level player to play instead of Dembele when he's rested.

Personally, I'm not sold on Barclay, he's more of an AM and if Lamela is going to be back, then we have Son and Lamela to cover Eriksen and Alli.

Sissoko could go to raise more money for the two players we need. We do need cover at RCB, but we can play 4 at the back if we have to and therefore have cover with Dier and Wimmer able to cover for Toby and Verts and Davies as LCB or LWB.

So the priorities for me are: CM and RWB. Hence, Foyth and Kovacic interest?

We have Winks, who seems more than ready to start prem games, going on the impression he made last season. And then there is Onomah, who seems full of confidence after a good summer with the England u20's. Anyone we bring in will block opportunities for these two which seems silly when we are operating on such a tight transfer budget.
 
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