Controversial opinion

[easley91]

Kane should not be venerated as a Spurs legend when he leaves. He has gone missing whenever we truly needed him to step up, especially the CL final.

Anyone who says he was injured proves my point, to step up in that instance would have meant being a man and telling Poch that he is fit ready to start at a minimum.

Controversial for a reason, because when he leaves (be it now, next summer or later) he will leave as our all-time record goal scorer. If that isn't considered a Spurs legend I don't know what is..

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Controversial for a reason, because when he leaves (be it now, next summer or later) he will leave as our all-time record goal scorer. If that isn't considered a Spurs legend I don't know what is..

I'll tell you what is... shooting from anywhere any time you get the ball on the crowds demand like Freund.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Controversial for a reason, because when he leaves (be it now, next summer or later) he will leave as our all-time record goal scorer. If that isn't considered a Spurs legend I don't know what is..

That does not go on Spurs list of major accomplishments. Besides, it is merely a club statistic, it is not even the Premier League all time leading goal scorer record.

 

[JacoZA]

Honestly, my take is nobody outside of the boardroom at Spurs knows what is happening and while I am sure everything is in good faith I can't imagine Levy letting much about the Kane situation out. If he doesn't know what he is going to do nobody else could.

To add to this, I would posit that a not-insignificant portion of what is considered facts about players/managers/the club/etc. in general is unsubstantiated opinions that fit a narrative and therefore got repeated enough to be perceived as truth.

To put it in more controversial terms, I think there are some firmly held beliefs among fans that are nothing more than fiction.

 

[Freddie]

Kane should not be venerated as a Spurs legend when he leaves. He has gone missing whenever we truly needed him to step up, especially the CL final.

Anyone who says he was injured proves my point, to step up in that instance would have meant being a man and telling Poch that he is fit ready to start at a minimum.

This is the right thread for such an opinion! Presumably you don't think we've had any legends since the early 90s?

 

[Gassin's finest]

Here is mine:

Levy did a perfectly good job as Chairman up to the point he started deferring to big-name managers including Poch mid-reign. I think keeping Kane happy had an impact on decisions as well.

I think Poch played a significant role in why things started to go wrong and I have been told that is why he was not targeted for a return under the planned structure.

I don't have any issue with ENIC until the last 5 years.

Err... I think things started to go wrong precisely because he didn't do this, and thought he knew better. Poch called him out after that Man Utd semi final defeat, that we need to start stepping up in the transfer market.

Jose said the same, and Conte blew a gasket about it.

Levy saw us get to the CL final and got ahead of himself.

 

[muffwah]

The Saha & Nelson signings in 2012 were inspirational

To name but 1 pathetic strategic decision from our great leader well before you say he’s been disappointing!

and yet we went on from there and ended up a regular CL side.

If you want to take every decision in isolation then I can show you how Pep Guardiola and Alex Ferguson are shit managers.

 

[muffwah]

Err... I think things started to go wrong precisely because he didn't do this, and thought he knew better. Poch called him out after that Man Utd semi final defeat, that we need to start stepping up in the transfer market.

Jose said the same, and Conte blew a gasket about it.

Levy saw us get to the CL final and got ahead of himself.

I don't agree with what you're saying, he has spent shit loads of money in the last 5 years and it isn't realistic we would have spent much more. Any coach suggesting so is denying reality for the club and the situation they were in at the time. The only exception I can make is Poch, though I understand he turned down a number of signings then blasted a load of money on some very poor choices.

Do you think if we had spent just a bit more we would be great now? Or would we have just made more bad signings or wasted more on those signings?

I think anybody saying we haven't backed managers is lying to themselves, we have backed them in buying mostly the wrong players and we should use a DoF recruitment structure.

 

[WiganSpur]

Kane should not be venerated as a Spurs legend when he leaves. He has gone missing whenever we truly needed him to step up, especially the CL final.

Anyone who says he was injured proves my point, to step up in that instance would have meant being a man and telling Poch that he is fit ready to start at a minimum.

I agree but perhaps more so because he threw his toys out the pram and acted unprofessionally 2 years ago by refusing to turn up to training. Ill advised or not it was his choice and it showed a lack of respect for the supporters and club.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I don't agree with what you're saying, he has spent shit loads of money in the last 5 years and it isn't realistic we would have spent much more. Any coach suggesting so is denying reality for the club and the situation they were in at the time. The only exception I can make is Poch, though I understand he turned down a number of signings then blasted a load of money on some very poor choices.

Do you think if we had spent just a bit more we would be great now? Or would we have just made more bad signings or wasted more on those signings?

I think anybody saying we haven't backed managers is lying to themselves, we have backed them in buying mostly the wrong players and we should use a DoF recruitment structure.

I think if Levy had listened to Poch in 2018 and kept the squad fresh properly then we wouldn't have got to the situation where the whole squad and coach were completely burnt out and jaded come the start of 2019/20.

And instead of giving Poch the time and faith that he'd earned in the previous 6 years, Levy thought he knew better, booted him and got his blockbuster, share price boosting manager in Jose.

From that point we were spending to fight fires.

So yeah... There's a difference between actually listening and backing the coach, and flinging money at the wall and seeing which will stick.

 

[alfie103]

Cristian Romero comes across as a bit of a nob to me. Also this image that he is a hard man is a bit annoying for me.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

and yet we went on from there and ended up a regular CL side.

If you want to take every decision in isolation then I can show you how Pep Guardiola and Alex Ferguson are shit managers.

You have to look at all his decisions and his history. You don’t win anything for qualifying for CL you just increase the worth of your investment in the club and your bank balance!

To dare is to do -

 

[yido_number1]

The absolute state of you.

Second this, what an absolutely trash opinion

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Kane should not be venerated as a Spurs legend when he leaves. He has gone missing whenever we truly needed him to step up, especially the CL final.

Anyone who says he was injured proves my point, to step up in that instance would have meant being a man and telling Poch that he is fit ready to start at a minimum.

Definitely controversial. Well played!

 

[JacoZA]

Kane is not a once-in-a-generation player. He played in the same team as Bale.

 

[easley91]

As much as I will miss him, there was Tottenham before Kane and there will be Tottenham after Kane. The club moves on and now Ange can focus solely on what he has without that will he/won't he cloud over his head.

It may be a rocky start and may take time but we'll get there. Stick behind the manager and the players we do have.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I think we're going to desperately need a new forward line come January. Son's done, Richi is a clogger, and Kulusevski had a good half season off new club bounce and has been drab ever since.

 

[RuskyM]

Controversial take I'm not sure I believe but I've thought about it all morning: because he has one specific moment of triumph we can point to rather than many instances of not quite, as well as his clear affection for the club, Lucas might end up being more fondly remembered than Kane.

 

[robotsonic]

To chuck onto the burning pile of words along with "generational talent" and "soandso-ball", I hate using the phrase "ceiling" to describe a player's potential.

What's wrong with "higher potential" or alternatively..."lower potential"? It's unambiguous. "He has a higher ceiling". In which room? Piss off

These weird Americanised phrases really do my nut in.

 

[Nerine]

Can’t remember whether I have already posted this in this thread but fuck it. I’ll either repeat myself or double down. Whatever.


Kulusevski is average, in my opinion. He’ll be deadwood in about 1.5 seasons time.