Controversial opinion

[spurmin]

I agree. I think that's one position where it's harder for a woman. Generally they are shorter, so the area of the goal is harder to cover. Then women have hips and their weight distribution makes their movement different to men, (I'm sure you've noticed!) and harder to jump higher/sideways. Add in their leg muscles usually aren't as developed as men and you can see why they wouldn't be of the same standard as their male counterparts.

Agree with all of that. It wasn’t a comparison with a man.

 

[hughy]

Now that Kane has gone I feel a sense of relief that the drama is all over and I strangely don't miss him at all.

At the moment I agree. Definitely feel much better that it's over, it's fantastic having a player of his quality but 3 or 4 years worth of constant transfer rumours were getting very tiresome.

As for the second part of your post I think that might come as soon as we hit a bit of a slump which is inevitable at some stage. Once we have back-to-back games where we don't score every other post will be Kane related on here.

 

[Tucker]

At the moment I agree. Definitely feel much better that it's over, it's fantastic having a player of his quality but 3 or 4 years worth of constant transfer rumours were getting very tiresome.

As for the second part of your post I think that might come as soon as we hit a bit of a slump which is inevitable at some stage. Once we have back-to-back games where we don't score every other post will be Kane related on here.

I think if it becomes apparent that none of our forwards can consistently score goals we’ll all start to miss him very much. Let’s face it if he’d been on the end of those chances Richy had on Sunday we’d have likely won that game.

I think a lot of people are underestimating just how important a ruthless goal scorer really is.

 

[spursgirls]

Agree with all of that. It wasn’t a comparison with a man.

Oh I know, don't worry!
I was just giving some reasons as to why they aren't as good as outfield players.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I don't think that Gift Orban would be the right signing for us.

I know everyone is losing their minds and desperately wants mech to splash the cash..... But.....


He looks like a poacher.

I know that Anger has preferred a paocher over the years. Kyogo is a great example of a striker than wants to finish and not involve himself in the rest of our build up play.

But after watching us Vs Brentford & United, I feel that a false 9 type player is far closer to what we actually need.

 

[spurs9]

I don't think that Gift Orban would be the right signing for us.

I know everyone is losing their minds and desperately wants mech to splash the cash..... But.....


He looks like a poacher.

I know that Anger has preferred a paocher over the years. Kyogo is a great example of a striker than wants to finish and not involve himself in the rest of our build up play.

But after watching us Vs Brentford & United, I feel that a false 9 type player is far closer to what we actually need.

You have to remember that we are a long way from playing the way Ange wants us to play and we are only showing glimpses of how he wants us to play currently. Whilst the style of player might be a good interim, it won't work as well long term and might even slow the process of adapting.

I will say though, I think Richarlison's off the ball movement has been surprisingly poor so far, but he has shown a couple of glimpses of good movement and we have created chances as a result.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

It’s the suffering to then get to the rare moments of joy that makes supporting football fun and so I’d far rather have won what we have the last 30 years than bought success like City/Chelsea etc and win all the time as that would actually get quite boring, dull and feel fake, soulless and too easy.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Big Ange is my favourite ever Spurs Manager.

Someone has put the DNA of Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp, Poch and Bil Nic together, created Big Ange and engineered him to have a cool Aussie accent.

 

[ROBinBKK]

I think other clubs would say this opinion is controversial;

Next season Tottenham are going to challenge for the title

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[Sp3akerboxxx]

You have to remember that we are a long way from playing the way Ange wants us to play and we are only showing glimpses of how he wants us to play currently. Whilst the style of player might be a good interim, it won't work as well long term and might even slow the process of adapting.

I will say though, I think Richarlison's off the ball movement has been surprisingly poor so far, but he has shown a couple of glimpses of good movement and we have created chances as a result.

Top managers change tactics over time.

Pep, for example, plays a wildly different set of tactics now than he did the first time City won the league.

He has evolved.

Ange employing a poacher like Kyogo, who averages a shockingly low amount of touches per game, would be a waste with our team.

It leaves you operating with ten men a lot of the time.

We don't need a pure goalscorer. We have a lot of players that can contribute goal-wise.

A striker dropping and getting involved in the play would be far more valuable to us than just a pure finisher.

 

[spurs9]

Top managers change tactics over time.

Pep, for example, plays a wildly different set of tactics now than he did the first time City won the league.

He has evolved.

Ange employing a poacher like Kyogo, who averages a shockingly low amount of touches per game, would be a waste with our team.

It leaves you operating with ten men a lot of the time.

We don't need a pure goalscorer. We have a lot of players that can contribute goal-wise.

A striker dropping and getting involved in the play would be far more valuable to us than just a pure finisher.

Ange's tactics have 3 CMs plus another 2 Inverted WBs that almost play like CMs, the last thing that needs is a striker that would drop back and would cause further congestion, we need someone that will push the opposition defense back and make intelligent runs to both create opportunities for themselves and also create space for CMs or wingers to run into.

 

[brasil_spur]

Top managers change tactics over time.

Pep, for example, plays a wildly different set of tactics now than he did the first time City won the league.

He has evolved.

Ange employing a poacher like Kyogo, who averages a shockingly low amount of touches per game, would be a waste with our team.

It leaves you operating with ten men a lot of the time.

We don't need a pure goalscorer. We have a lot of players that can contribute goal-wise.

A striker dropping and getting involved in the play would be far more valuable to us than just a pure finisher.

A poacher in the SPL also makes a lot more sense than in the PL, as there will be a lot more chances to poach.

I'm not even sure a poacher would work well at City, hence why they signed Haaland.

So I also agree that Orban doesn't seem like a good fit.

I think we should spend the Kane money primarily on Vlahovic, we need a top tier player to come in and the options of attainable players are few and far between.

 

[jay2040]

Appreciate maybe a bit off topic though seems most appropriate forum.

Thoughts if Levy passed away?

I hate loss of life unless individual deserves it.

How would folk really feel if he carked it? Would we look at all he has done for the club and think he is not the fucker that is the obstacle to success or would it be a case of sad shit though life goes on?

 

[Woodyy]

Appreciate maybe a bit off topic though seems most appropriate forum.

Thoughts if Levy passed away?

I hate loss of life unless individual deserves it.

How would folk really feel if he carked it? Would we look at all he has done for the club and think he is not the fucker that is the obstacle to success or would it be a case of sad shit though life goes on?

Absolutely would be sad, I’m not a fan of his but I think he’s done a hell of a lot right. There has been exactly zero clubs to break up the mid-2000’s traditional top 4 without the endless funding of a billionaire except us. Many have had a season or so flirting with it but we’ve been consistently up there and in European football for the best part of 15 years.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Ange's tactics have 3 CMs plus another 2 Inverted WBs that almost play like CMs, the last thing that needs is a striker that would drop back and would cause further congestion, we need someone that will push the opposition defense back and make intelligent runs to both create opportunities for themselves and also create space for CMs or wingers to run into.

The opposition defence will already be pushed back 90% of the time.

You don't average 60%+ possession AND camp in your own half.

Your centre forward already spends 90% of a game on their 18 yard line.

You want your front 4 to be as fluid as possible.

Wingers that cut inside, and AM that makes runs beyond your striker. A striker that can drop deep or out wide.

 

[spurs9]

The opposition defence will already be pushed back 90% of the time.

You don't average 60%+ possession AND camp in your own half.

Your centre forward already spends 90% of a game on their 18 yard line.

You want your front 4 to be as fluid as possible.

Wingers that cut inside, and AM that makes runs beyond your striker. A striker that can drop deep or out wide.

If you have a False 9, then no, the defence won't be pushed back, unless one of the CMs or wingers pushes up to play off the shoulder, but that isn't how Ange's team plays. If the winger plays off the shoulder, you lose width and if the CM does it, you lose creativity in the middle.

I never said we would camp in our own half, so no idea why you have mentioned that.

False 9's don't spend 90% of the game on the 18 yard line.

In Ange's system, it's the LW, Left Inverted FB and Left CM on one side, RW, Right inverted FB and Right CM on the other side that are fluid, with the striker creating space with his runs and looking for opportunities.

 

[spurs9]

A poacher in the SPL also makes a lot more sense than in the PL, as there will be a lot more chances to poach.

I'm not even sure a poacher would work well at City, hence why they signed Haaland.

So I also agree that Orban doesn't seem like a good fit.

I think we should spend the Kane money primarily on Vlahovic, we need a top tier player to come in and the options of attainable players are few and far between.

Neither Haaland nor Vlahovic are False 9's and yes both would be perfect for Ange's system as there strengths are their off the ball movement and finishing.

If you consider Orban a "Pure Poacher" than you should probably consider Vlahovic & Haaland as that too, since they are less involved in the build up than Orban (e.g. Orban averages 13 passes per game compared to Vlahovic's 10 & Haaland is also 10).

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

If you have a False 9, then no, the defence won't be pushed back, unless one of the CMs or wingers pushes up to play off the shoulder, but that isn't how Ange's team plays. If the winger plays off the shoulder, you lose width and if the CM does it, you lose creativity in the middle.

I never said we would camp in our own half, so no idea why you have mentioned that.

False 9's don't spend 90% of the game on the 18 yard line.

In Ange's system, it's the LW, Left Inverted FB and Left CM on one side, RW, Right inverted FB and Right CM on the other side that are fluid, with the striker creating space with his runs and looking for opportunities.

The whole team reacts to general positions, which is what I think you are missing.

Of our midfield is keeping the ball and setting up shop on their 30 yard line, their defence doesn't also sit on their 30 yard line.

Simplistically, a defense does not set it's position based on the relative position of the opposition striker.

The central midfielders, wingers, attacking midfielders, full backs, and even your own central defenders all work together to determine where that central line is.

That is where a creative centre forward comes alive. Your kevin Phillips and Jermain Defoe's of the world do not thrive on defences that have already been pinned back by a dominant side.

We are trying to be that Pep Guardiola style of dominant side.

His whole thing with Haaland has been getting him involved with a lot of Man City's play.

That isn't achieved with a poacher.

 

[spurs9]

The whole team reacts to general positions, which is what I think you are missing.

Of our midfield is keeping the ball and setting up shop on their 30 yard line, their defence doesn't also sit on their 30 yard line.

Simplistically, a defense does not set it's position based on the relative position of the opposition striker.

The central midfielders, wingers, attacking midfielders, full backs, and even your own central defenders all work together to determine where that central line is.

That is where a creative centre forward comes alive. Your kevin Phillips and Jermain Defoe's of the world do not thrive on defences that have already been pinned back by a dominant side.

We are trying to be that Pep Guardiola style of dominant side.

His whole thing with Haaland has been getting him involved with a lot of Man City's play.

That isn't achieved with a poacher.

I didn't say we need a poacher, I said a striker that will make intelligent runs to create space for others to run into and create opportunities for himself, that will help push the opposition defence back is more suited to Ange's system than a false 9, which is what you were suggesting we need.

You use Man City and Haaland as example, but he is probably the perfect striker to fit the description of striker I think we need (not saying we should/could get him obviously).

Haaland isn't a false 9 by any stretch of the imagination, which is what you are suggesting we need, so not sure why you have used him as an example.

Haaland averages 10 passes a game, false 9's usually average around 20 and Orban, who you keep saying is a poacher, averages 13.

Not saying we should sign Orban, I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion, this is about, IMO, a false 9 not being the best choice as a striker for Ange's system.

 

[mpickard2087]

Here’s a grenade to chuck in here…

The we’ve got our Tottenham back sentiments….. I mean what a bunch of charlatans, really. Most of the fans threw any concept of their footballing ideals under the bus when it suited them.

The bellows of we need a winner, we need to be winners, that’s all that matters, etc.

About 90% of the fanbase were all for Mourinho.

Mass huddles around the campfire chanting “fuck possession, fuck pretty football, all about the result” and so on.

Then 99% of the fanbase demanded Conte was brought in.

The constant clamour for whoever they deem is the “biggest name” when these decisions have to be made.



Unfortunately the stupid chairman ended up listening to a lot of these narratives. But yeah, Fans were as complicit in some of the bollocks we’ve seen as anyone else, and deserved what they were served up.

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