Cristiano Ronaldo

[harrmaud]

I'm married with a daughter so I feel exactly the same way as you do with regards this, I simply said I was looking forward to seeing him play. If he was found guilty he should be locked up, for what ever time is deemed right. I don't condone rape or violence against anyone. I don't worship any footballer but I really don't know what you want me to say here to be honest.

Hugo got caught, its not like he admitted to his crime after the fact and I have my own strong personal reasons against drink driving which I will not get into on here, and if its ok with you I would rather leave it at that, I apologise for calling your comment stupid.

Fair enough mate, wasn't meaning to single you out by replying to your post originally, just all the coverage today has all felt a bit grim with the Mendy stuff also in the background.

 

[WOTspur]

No, but I wasn't talking about either of them. In Hugo's case he has at least had to admit and pay penance for it, something which VdV has never done and obviously the reports are horrendous.

That wasn't the only allegation against Ronaldo by the way. He has been questioned on accusations from five separate women, and as a matter of record paid off Kathryn Mayorga and had his lawyers get her to sign an NDA so she wouldn't talk about what happened.

So that's five women who have come forward to accuse him. How many were too scared of his profile and financial power and public profile to do so? Judging from the reporting rates of sexual assault, probably a lot more. And given what has happened in his case who can blame them?

Almost every girl I have ever been very close to has a story about unwanted sexual contact from minor to severe, and it rubs me the wrong way to see these allegations brushed under the carpet and people hero worshipping the perpetrators. Imagine how it must feel for those who have suffered it to see the general media and public adulation for him.

They're just that - allegations. THANKFULLY we live in a society where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty.

 

[easley91]

 

[Danners9]

Cristiano Ronaldo: Kathryn Mayorga, The Woman Who Accuses Ronaldo of Rape

An American woman claims Cristiano Ronaldo raped her in Las Vegas. Years ago, the soccer star paid her to remain silent. Now, the woman is going public for the first time and filing a complaint against Ronaldo. She possesses a document that could be extremely dangerous for him. By DER SPIEGEL Staff

www.spiegel.de

It's not pleasant reading. X's story changes between September and December, too.

Cristiano Ronaldo: New Documents Emerge in Rape Allegations

Cristiano Ronaldo continues to make his fans happy on the field. Off of it, however, things aren't looking so bright: A woman has accused him of raping her in 2009, and there is an extremely sensitive document that supports her story. His lawyers say it is a fabrication. Is it? By DER SPIEGEL Staff

www.spiegel.de

Doubt there will be many US tours during his time with Man Utd. Not just because of Covid.

 

[Tucker]

Still find it odd that people get excited about good players signing for our league rivals. It’s a bit small time tbh.

 

[easley91]

They're just that - allegations. THANKFULLY we live in a society where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Sexual assaults and rape are very difficult to prove well after the fact without physical evidence. In most cases the innocent until proven guilty rings true, but for these it's a much blurrier line.

I know someone who sexually assaulted several women more than once, one was a friend of mine who started the case with the police. Despite all the evidence she had including texts of him admitting it, other girls joining her etc they still threw it out.

And honestly? It's fishy making someone sign an NDA about it if you're meant to be innocent.

 

[WOTspur]

Sexual assaults and rape are very difficult to prove well after the fact without physical evidence. In most cases the innocent until proven guilty rings true, but for these it's a much blurrier line.

I know someone who sexually assaulted several women more than once, one was a friend of mine who started the case with the police. Despite all the evidence she had including texts of him admitting it, other girls joining her etc they still threw it out.

And honestly? It's fishy making someone sign an NDA about it if you're meant to be innocent.

I fully understand your points. However I have heard of too many people (not just blokes) who have had their lives turned upside down by bogus accusations. I have faith in our laws and justice system, therefore I stand by my view of innocent until proven guilty.

I can't actually see any proof that this NDA ever existed, I've just had a quick look and it all seems to be "alleged NDA".

Anyhow, I know this is a divisive topic, so on that note I'm going to say goodnight all.

 

[ProfCalculus]

Sexual assaults and rape are very difficult to prove well after the fact without physical evidence. In most cases the innocent until proven guilty rings true, but for these it's a much blurrier line.

I know someone who sexually assaulted several women more than once, one was a friend of mine who started the case with the police. Despite all the evidence she had including texts of him admitting it, other girls joining her etc they still threw it out.

And honestly? It's fishy making someone sign an NDA about it if you're meant to be innocent.

It’s innocent until proven guilty always, it’s all you can do - in court i mean, not personal opinion. I do agree with the rest though. It is hard to prove or disprove many things; that doesn’t make it ok to destroy peoples lives by assuming guilt which is literally what some popular movements have advocated en masse. The other factor that people don’t like to talk about is that 20-40 percent (depending on study… the 40 percent is actually the most well devised and reputable - think it was Finland) of women claiming to have been raped later admit they were lying. The most common reasons are alibis for affairs etc. So it’s a shitty murky situation all round but not just for the commonly cited reason. I won’t go into it but a lot of horrendous things have happened as a direct result of the hashtag culture surrounding this type of thing.

 

[easley91]

I fully understand your points. However I have heard of too many people (not just blokes) who have had their lives turned upside down by bogus accusations. I have faith in our laws and justice system, therefore I stand by my view of innocent until proven guilty.

I can't actually see any proof that this NDA ever existed, I've just had a quick look and it all seems to be "alleged NDA".

Anyhow, I know this is a divisive topic, so on that note I'm going to say goodnight all.

You're right, false allegations of rape and sexual assault can ruin someone's livelihood. However, I don't have faith in the system when it comes to this, because I know a few monsters are still walking free because the police decided lack of evidence or wasn't worth investigating despite there being plenty to use and charge them.

 

[easley91]

It’s innocent until proven guilty always. I do agree with the rest though. It is hard to prove or disprove many things; that doesn’t make it ok to destroy peoples lives by assuming guilt which is literally what some popular movements have advocated en masse. The other factor that people don’t like to talk about is that 20-40 percent (depending on study… the 40 percent is actually the most well devised and reputable - think it was Finland) of women claiming to have been raped later admit they were lying. The most common reasons are alibis for affairs etc. So it’s a shitty murky situation all round but not just for the commonly cited reason. I won’t go into it but a lot of horrendous things have happened as a direct result of the hashtag culture surrounding this type of thing.

I'm not saying it's okay to assume someone's guilt at all. I am just going off personal experiences with a friend who went through similar and her attacker walks free today while she (and others) had to go through the trauma, not knowing whether they can trust a guy again etc.

 

[ProfCalculus]

I'm not saying it's okay to assume someone's guilt at all. I am just going off personal experiences with a friend who went through similar and her attacker walks free today while she (and others) had to go through the trauma, not knowing whether they can trust a guy again etc.

‘Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply you were, sorry if came across that way. Just that there is a very powerful and popular culture that does. Yeah, I can completely relate to that and sorry about your friend. It’s just an impossible situation all round. Have had ex gfs where similar things happened and was very hard to deal with anger Etc. A victim is a victim whether that’s someone who has been attacked or someone falsely accused and it’s a shame we live in a culture that takes sides and waves flags about these things rather than actually caring about people and right and wrong. I had to do jury service on something worse and it messed my head up for a bit. Half the people in the jury had decided their verdict a few seconds after the charges were read, based on how angry the charges made them. I would never do that again. Im just going to pretend I’m a racist or something if I get asked in order to be declared unfit

 

[easley91]

‘Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply you were, sorry if came across that way. Just that there is a very powerful and popular culture that does. Yeah, I can completely relate to that and sorry about your friend. It’s just an impossible situation all round. Have had ex gfs where similar things happened and was very hard to deal with anger Etc. A victim is a victim whether that’s someone who has been attacked or someone falsely accused and it’s a shame we live in a culture that takes sides and waves flags about these things rather than actually caring about people and right and wrong. I had to do jury service on something worse and it messed my head up for a bit. Half the people in the jury had decided their verdict a few seconds after the charges were read, based on how angry the charges made them. I would never do that again. Im just going to pretend I’m a racist or something if I get asked in order to be declared unfit

Rape and sexual assault is one of the blurrier crimes to discuss. I know people who lied about it and I know people who were victims. It's not easy either way to be honest.

 

[Donki]

Still find it odd that people get excited about good players signing for our league rivals. It’s a bit small time tbh.

I’m a Spurs fan and a football fan, I’m not skipping round like a girl crying with a picture of Ronaldo on my wall. I watch a lot of football and I like having the strongest league in the world. How it’s “small time” I don’t really know what that means.

 

[Tucker]

I’m a Spurs fan and a football fan, I’m not skipping round like a girl crying with a picture of Ronaldo on my wall. I watch a lot of football and I like having the strongest league in the world. How it’s “small time” I don’t really know what that means.

Just find it weird, I don’t get excited about our rivals getting stronger. It’s like when there were people on here creaming themselves at the thought of Messi going to City. The premier league is already the strongest competition, not really sure how an over the hill Ronaldo makes it any stronger really.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Cheeky Martial bid?

God no, hes shite.

 

[Donki]

Just find it weird, I don’t get excited about our rivals getting stronger. It’s like when there were people on here creaming themselves at the thought of Messi going to City. The premier league is already the strongest competition, not really sure how an over the hill Ronaldo makes it any stronger really.

I’m not excited about rivals getting stronger, I want the sport to be entertaining. We’re talking about one of the the best players of all time coming back to the PL, IMO the best athlete to have played the game. Like I said I’m a fan of football not just a Spurs fan, but each to there own.

 

[slartibartfast]

Well this thread went downill quickly.
Football wise, we'll see imo.
The guy is 36. The EPL is not the same as Serie A, not by a long stretch.
I'm probably in the minority but I don't think this is as big a deal, on the pitch, as it's being made out to be.
Media wise it's a circus and happy days.

 

[spurs mental]

Just find it weird, I don’t get excited about our rivals getting stronger. It’s like when there were people on here creaming themselves at the thought of Messi going to City. The premier league is already the strongest competition, not really sure how an over the hill Ronaldo makes it any stronger really.

Imagine thinking Ronaldo is "over the hill". He's still in the top 2 players in the world.

 

[Rosco1984]

Imagine thinking Ronaldo is "over the hill". He's still in the top 2 players in the world.

Juventus barely scraped top 4 in italy last year having won the title for the past 9 years the thinking is largely that its down to them having to play a system solely to suit Ronaldo hence Allegri was more than happy to move him on. He will clearly bang plenty of goals but united were already doing that so this could go either way masterstroke or massive distraction.

 

[TheTanguy]

Imagine thinking Ronaldo is "over the hill". He's still in the top 2 players in the world.

He is still a very good player and will score goals, but he isn't even in the top 3 forwards in the world nowadays.