Cups

[stormfly]

I really want to see Spurs win some silverware now. It has been all about finishing in the top 4 for the last 5 years or so but where is the glory in that? Our best players are going to leave us anyway, champions league or no champions league. Let's just win cups when we have them! We had a team consisting of King, Modric, VDv and Bale and didn't win anything! What are your thoughts on this? If you could pick one, would it be 4th or a cup win?

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Sorry to shatter illusions but we will not win a cup or end up in the top 4 we are quite simply not good enough to do either - we will remain competive around the top 4 for most of the season and may win a few games more in the Europa and the FA Cup but fundamentally we do not have the required quality in the CH Positions or in the striking positions. This lack of true quality plus a shakey mentality says we will remain a there or there abouts side which is pretty much where we should be given the lack of net investment over the last number years.

 

[Blake Griffin]

lets face it, we're never going to win the league in the current climate so what good is finishing 4th. we get some more money and we can see us get knocked out of the champions league, brilliant.

winning the europa is a possibility and it'd be a great day to see us lift the cup in amsterdam in may

 

[stormfly]

Sorry to shatter illusions but we will not win a cup or end up in the top 4 we are quite simply not good enough to do either -

Any other season I would probably agree with you but would you say Arsenal, Everton, West Brom or Liverpool are good enough for the top 4 after the start they've all had this season? I wouldn't say any of those teams look much better than us. I can also see us getting stronger as the season goes on but the rest will stay at the same level except maybe Liverpool.

 

[Dougal]

Same answer every time this comes up. Silverware please.

 

[hughy]

Sorry to shatter illusions but we will not win a cup or end up in the top 4 we are quite simply not good enough to do either - we will remain competive around the top 4 for most of the season and may win a few games more in the Europa and the FA Cup but fundamentally we do not have the required quality in the CH Positions or in the striking positions. This lack of true quality plus a shakey mentality says we will remain a there or there abouts side which is pretty much where we should be given the lack of net investment over the last number years.

Championship teams regularly get to cup semi-finals, and even finals in England. It's not always a case of being good enough, it's about the luck of the draw and putting a run of games together. It's so easy for you to sit here and say we wont do this or we wont win that, because when May comes around you're in a win-win situation. If we don't win a Cup or finish 4th, you'll be saying "I told you so", however if we do win a Cup and/or finish 4th, you'll be as happy as the rest of us. Idiotic pessimism. There is too much of it on this forum, and it's becoming fucking unbearable.

 

[dontcallme]

Not sure it's a choice we have really.

We are entered into cup competitions and we try to win them. If we lose then we're out.

I think we have more of a chance of coming 4th this season as over a period of time we can compete with most. Lose one game and we're out of a cup so I don't want to see us dropping players in the league in the hope of winning a cup.

Statistically the teams that get regular CL win the cups as they need a stronger squad to cope with the extra games. So although it's duller and lacks the excitement of a day out at Wembley I'd choose top 4 for now.

 

[Mr Pink]

fuck it i want fourth...i loved seeing us in the CL, and I want it back....its the real show platform.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Championship teams regularly get to cup semi-finals, and even finals in England. It's not always a case of being good enough, it's about the luck of the draw and putting a run of games together. It's so easy for you to sit here and say we wont do this or we wont win that, because when May comes around you're in a win-win situation. If we don't win a Cup or finish 4th, you'll be saying "I told you so", however if we do win a Cup and/or finish 4th, you'll be as happy as the rest of us. Idiotic pessimism. There is too much of it on this forum, and it's becoming fucking unbearable.

Neither idiotic or pessimistic just a statement of the blindingly obvious - kid yourself all you like if you want although your suggestion we could win a cup if we got 'lucky' tells its own story.

 

[chinaman]

The FA Cup used to be ours. Time to take it back this year.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

fuck it i want fourth...i loved seeing us in the CL, and I want it back....its the real show platform.

At the end of the day, what's more impressive, the amount of silverware you've won or the amount of competitions you've entered?

 

[Mr Pink]

At the end of the day, what's more impressive, the amount of silverware you've won or the amount of competitions you've entered?

not just about the silverware for me....although it largely is, but the journey to it as well.

 

[Adam456]

Top 4 every time for me.

Yes, ultimately, we can't compete for the very, very top players but we need to keep attracting the ones just below to stay up where we are and have any chance at all of winning things. How many of Parker, VDV, Modric, Lloris, Dembele, Verts, even Dempsey would have joined us if we finished 10th and won the FA Cup ?

Not that many I would wager.

And that doesn't even include the financial benefits

 

[AngerManagement]

hmm we have two chances to win silverwear, personally I just don't think we have any real potential to win the Europa....the likes of Chelsea and Atheletico will contest the crown not us (we struggle to even beat Maribo)

FA cup I think depends a lot on the luck of the draw, but again recent history suggests the likes of Man U, Man City and Chelsea are lilkely to contest it and not us.

I think we probably have a better chance of coming top four than winning a cup this year and I think top four and CL money would give us a better chance of developing our team into contenders for silverware long term (even though of course its still a near mission impossible with the wealth of those around us)

We could fluke an FA cup win with a favourable set of draws and results elsewhere but I think there's a reason we have not won one since the early 90s and I wouldn't hold your breath to see us win it this and the Europa in my opinion is even less likely

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Now that it has got to the point that pretty much no team in the land gives a flying fuck about either of the domestic cups, can I ask where the glory is in beating several reserve teams?

Perhaps this is shameful, but I honestly cannot remember who is the current holder of either the FA cup or League cup. IS Birmingham one of them? They beat Arsenal in some final at some point didn't they?

I would be more impressed if we won the Europa League. At least some of the continental teams take that relatively seriously.

 

[brasil_spur]

Sorry to shatter illusions but we will not win a cup or end up in the top 4 we are quite simply not good enough to do either - we will remain competive around the top 4 for most of the season and may win a few games more in the Europa and the FA Cup but fundamentally we do not have the required quality in the CH Positions or in the striking positions. This lack of true quality plus a shakey mentality says we will remain a there or there abouts side which is pretty much where we should be given the lack of net investment over the last number years.

Dude, stop calling yourself a supporter please. Sincerely, all 'REAL' spurs fans

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Sorry to shatter illusions but we will not win a cup or end up in the top 4 we are quite simply not good enough to do either - we will remain competive around the top 4 for most of the season and may win a few games more in the Europa and the FA Cup but fundamentally we do not have the required quality in the CH Positions or in the striking positions. This lack of true quality plus a shakey mentality says we will remain a there or there abouts side which is pretty much where we should be given the lack of net investment over the last number years.

So apart from the fact that the past two teams to win it have been Liverpool and Birmingham, with Liverpool finishing 8th in the PL that season (and being frankly shit), and when Birmingham won it they finished 4th in the Championship, and failed to gain promotion.

Are we good enough to win it? Well I am going to hazard a guess that we are better this season than Liverpool were last season, and we are better than Birmingham from any season ever.

Simply put; you are wrong. Are we good enough to win a cup? Absolutely. History has proven that as fact. Will we win a cup? That remains to be seen.

 

[AngerManagement]

So apart from the fact that the past two teams to win it have been Liverpool and Birmingham, with Liverpool finishing 8th in the PL that season (and being frankly shit), and when Birmingham won it they finished 4th in the Championship, and failed to gain promotion.

Are we good enough to win it? Well I am going to hazard a guess that we are better this season than Liverpool were last season, and we are better than Birmingham from any season ever.

Simply put; you are wrong. Are we good enough to win a cup? Absolutely. History has proven that as fact. Will we win a cup? That remains to be seen.

we can't win the cup that Liverpool and Brum won in the past two seasons that's for sure (so I don't really get the relevance of comparing ourselves to the winners of a cup we are already out of)

The FA cup is winnable, as Portsmouth showed, with a bit of luck of the draw and some favourable results with the big clubs crashing out or not taking it as seriously.

Problem is things have changed since Pompey won it largely due to the emergence of Man City as a power house of the game, With little silverware to play for amoungst the likes of Chelsea, City and Utd its difficult to win ahead of one of those without a lot of luck and even if they crash out we have Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal all likely to be a match for us.

Europa would be the one I'd rather win if I were given a chance but I can't look past A. Madrid for that unless they focus on a title challenge too much

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Dude, stop calling yourself a supporter please. Sincerely, all 'REAL' spurs fans

being real - realistic (see what I did there ), just a shame that some still have that one eyed affliction that besets certain type of supporter

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

we can't win the cup that Liverpool and Brum won in the past two seasons that's for sure (so I don't really get the relevance of comparing ourselves to the winners of a cup we are already out of)

The FA cup is winnable, as Portsmouth showed, with a bit of luck of the draw and some favourable results with the big clubs crashing out or not taking it as seriously.

Problem is things have changed since Pompey won it largely due to the emergence of Man City as a power house of the game, With little silverware to play for amoungst the likes of Chelsea, City and Utd its difficult to win ahead of one of those without a lot of luck and even if they crash out we have Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal all likely to be a match for us.

Europa would be the one I'd rather win if I were given a chance but I can't look past A. Madrid for that unless they focus on a title challenge too much

Of course it is relevant. I pointed out that teams that are technically 'worse' than us have won the same tournament in the past. Did City not have their money last season? Or the season before? Did UTD, Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Everton, and Arsenal decide that they did not want silverware for the past two seasons? It is relevant because both of the cup wins that I highlighted happened within the past 24 months, with the same teams participating.