Daniel Levy's message

[Mullers]

To boil it down to it's basic equation, FFP dictates that clubs spend more in line with what they earn through normal economic means and limits the amount owners can "gift".

Having bigger legitimate revenue streams allows a club to spend more and what clubs spend more on is transfer fees and, more importantly (because this is also wired into the FFP legislation) wages.

So that is admittance by Levy that he doesn't believe our current strategy works. We actually need to spend smart rather than more. In the past 2 summers we have spent something like 135 million and we mostly just spent it on utter rubbish.

 

[Donki]

According to this our wage bill is 100.4m and Arsenal's is 166.4m.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/
Arsenal have 4 players on over 100,000 a week
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/arsenal-player-salaries/
if the following link is to be believed we have 3 players on over 100,000, so we are already capable of paying high wages.
http://www.celebritiesmoney.com/tot...-contracts-english-competitive-football-team/

Your first line says it all, Arsenal who are arguably the team we sould be looking to knock out of the top 4 has £66.4 million to spend on wages, thats a huge difference. Yes we may have the ability but not across a number of first team players.

Some rough sums,

A wage of £100,000 a week = £5.2 million a year

So the difference in yearly wages (£66.4 million) / £5.2 million = 12.69

If we had Arsnals wage allowance in our budget we would be able to afford 12 players on £100K a week.

Yes its rough sums and other things need to be taken into account but the bottom line is, more revenue in equates to the ability to pay more.

 

[Mullers]

Your first line says it all, Arsenal who are arguably the team we sould be looking to knock out of the top 4 has £66.4 million to spend on wages, thats a huge difference. Yes we may have the ability but not across a number of first team players.

Some rough sums,

A wage of £100,000 a week = £5.2 million a year

So the difference in yearly wages (£66.4 million) / £5.2 million = 12.69

If we had Arsnals wage allowance in our budget we would be able to afford 12 players on £100K a week.

Yes its rough sums and other things need to be taken into account but the bottom line is, more revenue in equates to the ability to pay more.

But we don't need to pay 12 players 100k or more a week. The three that we have on over 100k a week now shouldn't be getting that imo.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So that is admittance by Levy that he doesn't believe our current strategy works. We actually need to spend smart rather than more. In the past 2 summers we have spent something like 135 million and we mostly just spent it on utter rubbish.

It's not just about our transfer fees Mullers, it's about wages. Fees are influenced by various factors, wages are a far better indicator of a players quality. And with our income and FFP rules we are limited to how much we can commit to wages.

We didn't buy rubbish, we bought potential. That is buying smart for a club like us.

At the midway point in Bale's (10m) career, with Redknapp barely playing him for months and looking to offload him possibly, 10m for a kid who hadn't kicked a EPL ball was looking foolish.

We largely have to try to buy players that we can add value, there will always be slightly more risk but potentially more reward.

And we have remained pretty consistent in the league so we didn't get it as bad as you perhaps think.

Players like Lloris, Eriksen and Dier have all looked like superb business. And others like Chadli have done ok.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

It's not just about our transfer fees Mullers, it's about wages. Fees are influenced by various factors, wages are a far better indicator of a players quality. And with our income and FFP rules we are limited to how much we can commit to wages.

We didn't buy rubbish, we bought potential. That is buying smart for a club like us.

At the midway point in Bale's (10m) career, with Redknapp barely playing him for months and looking to offload him possibly, 10m for a kid who hadn't kicked a EPL ball was looking foolish.

We largely have to try to buy players that we can add value, there will always be slightly more risk but potentially more reward.

And we have remained pretty consistent in the league so we didn't get it as bad as you perhaps think.

Players like Lloris, Eriksen and Dier have all looked like superb business. And others like Chadli have done ok.

We've actually also retained within the squad a stunning proportion of the value we've paid. We may talk about how rubbish the squad is and what (which I don't agree with), but looking at realistic fees for each player and adding them up, our strategy does work quite well. We could easily pocket 50M this summer from sales, and that's assuming we are to keep Lloris, Lamela, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Kane, (easily worth 100M together) and assuming Adebayor leaves on a free!

 

[Database]

According to this our wage bill is 100.4m and Arsenal's is 166.4m.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/
Arsenal have 4 players on over 100,000 a week
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/arsenal-player-salaries/
if the following link is to be believed we have 3 players on over 100,000, so we are already capable of paying high wages.
http://www.celebritiesmoney.com/tot...-contracts-english-competitive-football-team/

According to this site Liverpool player Jon Flanagan earns 135k/w.

 

[Mullers]

It's not just about our transfer fees Mullers, it's about wages. Fees are influenced by various factors, wages are a far better indicator of a players quality. And with our income and FFP rules we are limited to how much we can commit to wages.

We didn't buy rubbish, we bought potential. That is buying smart for a club like us.

At the midway point in Bale's (10m) career, with Redknapp barely playing him for months and looking to offload him possibly, 10m for a kid who hadn't kicked a EPL ball was looking foolish.

We largely have to try to buy players that we can add value, there will always be slightly more risk but potentially more reward.

And we have remained pretty consistent in the league so we didn't get it as bad as you perhaps think.

Players like Lloris, Eriksen and Dier have all looked like superb business. And others like Chadli have done ok.

We bought potential and they've turned out to be rubbish. Dembele, Capoue, Paulinho, Chriches, Lamela in real danger of being sold this summer. Fazio rubbish, Stambouli obviously not rated by Poch.

Adebayor on 118,000 a week and Dembele on 84,000 a week' while Lloris is on 67,000 a week, looking at that I would say wages were not a good indicator of a players quality at all.

Agree with your point on Redknapp and Bale but I had faith that Bale would come good, he had some injury problems and was still developing as a player.

As for the league, I'm not at all impressed that we spent over 135 million over 2 seasons to get to 5th to 7th place.

 

[Mullers]

According to this site Liverpool player Jon Flanagan earns 135k/w.

Who?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

We bought potential and they've turned out to be rubbish. Dembele, Capoue, Paulinho, Chriches, Lamela in real danger of being sold this summer. Fazio rubbish, Stambouli obviously not rated by Poch.

Adebayor on 118,000 a week and Dembele on 84,000 a week' while Lloris is on 67,000 a week, looking at that I would say wages were not a good indicator of a players quality at all.

Agree with your point on Redknapp and Bale but I had faith that Bale would come good, he had some injury problems and was still developing as a player.

As for the league, I'm not at all impressed that we spent over 135 million over 2 seasons to get to 5th to 7th place.

But we didn't net spend that Mullers. We met spent about 5m.

Compare that with the net spend of others and we are getting great value.

 

[Mullers]

But we didn't net spend that Mullers. We met spent about 5m.

Compare that with the net spend of others and we are getting great value.

Well that just means that others have wasted money as well.
Soldado great value? Dembele great value? Paulinho great value? I could go on we have a number of players who haven't proven to be great value at all and we will struggle to sell.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Well that just means that others have wasted money as well.
Soldado great value? Dembele great value? Paulinho great value? I could go on we have a number of players who haven't proven to be great value at all and we will struggle to sell.

We haven't really wasted much money. If you look at assumed values for each of our players, the money is retained within the squad. We can slowly shift players and strengthen the team based off of the present player values, even despite all those players you are dissatisfied with. We've taken a step sideways, but we've kept the means to keep progressing in the long run. That's freaking amazing.
Imagine if we top it all off with securing a few free agents this summer...

 

[Mullers]

We haven't really wasted much money. If you look at assumed values for each of our players, the money is retained within the squad. We can slowly shift players and strengthen the team based off of the present player values, even despite all those players you are dissatisfied with. We've taken a step sideways, but we've kept the means to keep progressing in the long run. That's freaking amazing.
Imagine if we top it all off with securing a few free agents this summer...

You wouldn't say 17 million for Paulinho was a waste of money? Whatever the amount we certainly aren't a club that can afford to waste money.
I don't think it's amazing, Sherwood managed to get 6th without spending a penny.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

You wouldn't say 17 million for Paulinho was a waste of money? Whatever the amount we certainly aren't a club that can afford to waste money.
I don't think it's amazing, Sherwood managed to get 6th without spending a penny.

I don't know what you are trying to argue with bringing Sherwood into this. We finished 6th because our squad isn't all that bad. It's more than fit for 6th, and if that's our ambition next season, we need no new players. In fact, it wouldn't be a ridiculous overachievement to secure 5th with our present squad. We haven't got a squad even close to as bad as some would have you think.

 

[Mullers]

I don't know what you are trying to argue with bringing Sherwood into this. We finished 6th because our squad isn't all that bad. It's more than fit for 6th, and if that's our ambition next season, we need no new players. In fact, it wouldn't be a ridiculous overachievement to secure 5th with our present squad. We haven't got a squad even close to as bad as some would have you think.

We have some good players in the squad but we have a lot of expensive deadwood. This season we can consider ourselves fortunate that Everton were not up there challenging, next season may be a different story. Even this season we may end up with 7th, certainly I don't think Poch would agree that we need no new players.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

We have some good players in the squad but we have a lot of expensive deadwood. This season we can consider ourselves fortunate that Everton were not up there challenging, next season may be a different story. Even this season we may end up with 7th, certainly I don't think Poch would agree that we need no new players.

I said IF 6th is our ambition. I didn't comment at all on what Pochettino may or may not agree with.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well that just means that others have wasted money as well.
Soldado great value? Dembele great value? Paulinho great value? I could go on we have a number of players who haven't proven to be great value at all and we will struggle to sell.

I din't say we haven't made mistakes Mullers. I agree that we have. But everyone does, it's the nature of the business. Generally speaking we do pretty well in terms of finding value.

 

[Mullers]

I said IF 6th is our ambition. I didn't comment at all on what Pochettino may or may not agree with.

I know you didn't but I am commenting on what Poch may or may not agree with and if 6th is our ambition I don't think he would agree with you that we need no new players.

 

[Mullers]

I din't say we haven't made mistakes Mullers. I agree that we have. But everyone does, it's the nature of the business. Generally speaking we do pretty well in terms of finding value.

I've seen these type of lines used many times by many people.
Why don't people use this everybody makes mistakes lines for Sugar? Or the coaches we've employed? Or for the players? Why don't you use it for Walker?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I've seen these type of lines used many times by many people.
Why don't people use this everybody makes mistakes lines for Sugar? Or the coaches we've employed? Or for the players? Why don't you use it for Walker?

Because I also said we generally do pretty well. Walker doesn't. Sugar's gone.

And for the record Mullers, I would happily upgrade ENIC if it were possible, just like I would Walker.

 

[Mullers]

Because I also said we generally do pretty well. Walker doesn't. Sugar's gone.

And for the record Mullers, I would happily upgrade ENIC if it were possible, just like I would Walker.

I could swear I read recently that you said you were missing him.
An upgrade as in loads of dosh isn't even important to me any more, I would take someone who has a philosophy and believes in it. Levy doesn't have a philosophy he believes in, he changes strategy all the time.