Danny Rose

[Mr Pink]

Rose was quality in AVB's last season before he picked up that ankle injury, and was then completely hung out to dry by Sherwood's tactics. He was also Sunderland's player of the year while out on loan. Anyone suggesting that he wasn't a good player before he worked with Poch is completely off base IMO, the abuse he received was ridiculous.

I agree. I watched him a lot on loan at Sunderland and remember having lots of arguments on here with some, who probably had watched him for a couple of minutes.

He was fantastic for Sunderland and couldn't wait for him to return to us.

Poch has made him even better, but he had already shown great improvement before the Poch regime.

The same people now claiming he was shite before Poch coached him are probably the same ones calling him shit when on loan at Sunderland.

No excuse for how he's gone about any of this though.

 

[rossdapep]

I came to remember my own comment from a month ago. I really would be eager to learn why Rose thought that now was a good time for a "reveal all" interview. Surely we are at that point in the preseason in which one would have a mindset of going on with business and doing one's best, focusing and getting the season going. Not all of the sudden kicking up a fuss. I don't understand the timing. Did something happen? Did he deliberately want to wait to be malicious?

I reckon the Walker deal did it. He's seen what City have done since, how much Walker is on and there's no way them two haven't spoken to each other. Walker would be crowing about how incredible it is at City and the calibre of players etc etc.

We had ITK that he has twice been told he's going nowhere, which suggests he asked to leave. Considering he took a dig at the fans he's obviously been stewing on this for a long time and I do think the Walker deal is the moment he realised he had to kick up an almighty fuss to get what he wants - a big money move.

 

[BoringOldFan]

If he leaves, we'll need to get a Rose by any other name.

Right, Shakespeare reference out of the way, DR has clearly be spending too much time on XBox if he hasn't spotted what price "world-class players" fetch this window. Plus, he was someone who had to be 'googled' (did it exist then?) when he joined us. Levy goes for youth and value, not the silly money City paid for KW.

It's disappointing to find out that DR doesn't have enough of a brain to realise he's painting himself into a corner with the fans. If he leaves he'll be hated, if he stays, he'll be derided - till he scored his next 20-yard winner v The Goons ;-)

 

[S17PUR]

He seems to have since deleted it but a fellow Spurs fan on twitter was claiming to have info that Rose and Poch's meeting today did not go well at all, and it was looking like he'll be on his way.

Obviously as with everything on twitter it could be absolute bollocks.

 

[Indisguise]

It'll be interesting to see if Danny actually ends up agitating for a transfer. That'll make his motivations a whole lot clearer.

 

[stonebrow]

I agree. I watched him a lot on loan at Sunderland and remember having lots of arguments on here with some, who probably had watched him for a couple of minutes.

He was fantastic for Sunderland and couldn't wait for him to return to us.

Poch has made him even better, but he had already shown great improvement before the Poch regime.

The same people now claiming he was shite before Poch coached him are probably the same ones calling him shit when on loan at Sunderland.

No excuse for how he's gone about any of this though.

I'm from Sunderland and the locals raved about him. They were devasted when it didn't turn into a permanent move. They were hoping they were onto another winner when Yedlin went on loan there...unlucky mackems!

 

[Mr Pink]

Although I didn't notice like it at the time Jeremy Peace had Berahino by the balls at West Brom and made him suffer.

That's the sort of marker that would resonate through the squad, yes it would have some negative consequences short term but you wouldn't sign for West Brom now and think of trying it again.

Indeed. And the potential implications regarding the bigger picture far outweigh the consequences surrounding the individual player - IMHO.

For me, we simply shouldn't sell him this window. He'll get his move eventually, but by fuck it will be when we say so, and on our terms.

Set an example that if you go about it this way you're going to be made to wait in a pretty uncomfortable environment.

That's how I would handle it, to deter others from thinking that this is what you do and bang you're sold pretty much straight away.

A line has to be drawn to serve the wider interests of the Club.

 

[Japhet]

Indeed. And the potential implications regarding the bigger picture far outweigh the consequences surrounding the individual player - IMHO.

For me, we simply shouldn't sell him this window. He'll get his move eventually, but by fuck it will be when we say so, and on our terms.

Set an example that if you go about it this way you're going to be made to wait in a pretty uncomfortable environment.

That's how I would handle it, to deter others from thinking that this is what you do and bang you're sold pretty much straight away.

A line has to be drawn to serve the wider interests of the Club.

He needs a good talking to and to be got back onside as soon as possible. Poch is the man to do it.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

No point discussing the pros and cons of it again lads - keeping someone about to prove a point isn't the way Poch does things. You cross him, you're out ASAP.

 

[Johnny J]

No point discussing the pros and cons of it again lads - keeping someone about to prove a point isn't the way Poch does things. You cross him, you're out ASAP.

If we got Sessegnon and Perreira, the blow of losing the two best full backs in the league (prior to Mendy) would be easier to take.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

If we got Sessegnon and Perreira, tue blow of losing the two best full backs in the league (prior to Mendy) would be easier to take.

Both are better all-round full backs than Mendy as it stands.

 

[Mr Pink]

No point discussing the pros and cons of it again lads - keeping someone about to prove a point isn't the way Poch does things. You cross him, you're out ASAP.

It's not about just proving a point to Danny Rose, it's making a point to ANYONE who thinks this sort of method, or tactic, angling for a move will be tolerated.

If Poch wants him gone, then remove him from the first team completely and sell him in the next window.

We must not sell him this window under any circumstances.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

It's not about just proving a point to Danny Rose, it's making a point to ANYONE who thinks this sort of method, or tactic, angling for a move will be tolerated.

If Poch wants him gone, then remove him from the first team completely and sell him in the next window.

We must not sell him this window under any circumstances.

Like I said, no point discussing the pros and cons. Pochettino doesn't feel that way.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think the frustrating part about Rose's comments, aside from the fact that he spoke to the press at all, is that this notion that other clubs are strengthening just isn't true.

Of the top teams, only Manchester City have really strengthened. Everyone else is spending money, but not really improving their squad.

Chelsea - swapped Costa for Morata - still a very thin club
Man United - swapped Zlatan for Lukaku - flat track bully
Liverpool - added Salah - might lose Coutinho, Lallana is injured, and nothing to upgrade defense
Arsenal - added Lacazette - still look like they could lose Sanchez and/or Ozil

City has done good business, and got it done early. The others - they don't scare me if I am playing for Spurs.

 

[Ossie85]

Rose was quality in AVB's last season before he picked up that ankle injury, and was then completely hung out to dry by Sherwood's tactics. He was also Sunderland's player of the year while out on loan. Anyone suggesting that he wasn't a good player before he worked with Poch is completely off base IMO, the abuse he received was ridiculous.

Maybe for you. For most of us he was not.
And being Sunderland's POTY is hardly a compliment.
The abuse he received came out of somewhere. I really doubt fans would abuse one of our own players if he was quality

Either way, he changed A LOT after we signed Pochettino. A world of difference. If he was not shit, he was decent, but he was definitively not what he is today.

 

[buttons]

Disappointing the club have made no comment today but unsurprising given the clusterfuck of a summer we've had all round! The silence doesn't sound like we're going to be taking a stance against poor little Danny,

 

[kaz Hirai]

Surprised there's still be no ITK on this. Would've thought it would've been all over the training ground, players and staff.

Maybe Poch killed him, dumped him in the Thames

 

[SUIYHA]

He was very poor in the 2013/14 season, make no mistake. Yes he was Sunderland's POTY the year before - they'd come 17th. Hardly a prestigious award. I remember when our fans used to get hyped over players like Rohan Ricketts and Rory Allen back when we were shit. I think we could all see that he had potential but he was so clumsy in his tackles, kept getting caught out of position and couldn't cross to save his life. I think part of the problem was him breaking onto the scene so young because it felt like he'd been around for ages and was still playing badly. I don't remember our fans "abusing" him, but it was common consensus that he had to be moved on and he was a player that opposition fans regularly used to laugh at us for. I was amazed that he was given a new contract.

My word I'm glad he did though. If he recovers from his injury he is a genuinely world class player, easily the best LB in the Premiership. It'll be a big blow to lose him, even bigger than Walker.

Sadly, I really can't see a way back for him now though. The Pochettino way has always been to ice anyone who steps out of line in order to maintain a positive vibe in the squad. Up till recently he's only had to do that with Kaboul, Capoue, Adebayor, Townsend etc who were clearly underperforming and no great loss anyway. Inevitably though, a day would come where he'd have to deal with a big star, and now here we are...

 

[knilly]

If it turns out that he does want to leave, will he put a transfer request in and forfeit a loyalty bonus?

I don't see how he stays in such a close knit group. You'd have io assume that Walker was ousted for a similar reason so Rose ends up leaving too.

 

[Ossie85]

Too bad he doesn't have a twitter account or I would be all day insulting him