Davy Klaassen / Joel Veltman

[voxy28]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ompete-premier-league-rivals-transfer-market/


With that in mind, Tottenham are taking a keen interest in Ajax duo Davy Klaassen, who plays as an attacking midfielder, and versatile defender Joel Veltman, whose contract expires in 12 months.




Its reported in May 17. Kaassen looks to have good potential.

 

[rabbikeane]

BIIG step down from the quality of our other attacking midfielder (Eriksen, Lamela, Dele, Son)

 

[JonnySpurs]

Definitely not the kind of player we need. He's a very poor man's Eriksen from what i've seen. Really unimpressed with him in the EL final.

He also scores more than he assists and i'd argue we dont need more goals from midfield. We need pace and skill out wide.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I think it's Veltman, not Klaassen, that's the really interesting part of this piece of news.

 

[Japhet]

Prefer Ziyech.

 

[double0]

I think it's Veltman, not Klaassen, that's the really interesting part of this piece of news.

Definitely not the kind of player we need. He's a very poor man's Eriksen from what i've seen. Really unimpressed with him in the EL final.

He also scores more than he assists and i'd argue we dont need more goals from midfield. We need pace and skill out wide.

How can you argue against having potentially more goals in the squad.... Goals it wins games!!

 

[JonnySpurs]

How can you argue against having potentially more goals in the squad.... Goals it wins games!!

Because on balance it isn't what we NEED to help us win the league.

We already score more than enough goals to win the league but we lack pace, skill and overall depth in our squad. So rather than spending money on a player that we don't need, I'd rather we spend it on a player that has attributes that we lack.

Besides, Barkley would be a better option as a rotation player if we feel the need to add another attacking central midfielder. He's quicker, gets more assists than Klassen and is used to this league. Klassen is the kind of player that will go to Everton to replace Barkley and not be as good, imo.

 

[voxy28]

I think it's Veltman, not Klaassen, that's the really interesting part of this piece of news.

Might be.... so I edited the title.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Because on balance it isn't what we NEED to help us win the league.

We already score more than enough goals to win the league but we lack pace, skill and overall depth in our squad. So rather than spending money on a player that we don't need, I'd rather we spend it on a player that has attributes that we lack.

Besides, Barkley would be a better option as a rotation player if we feel the need to add another attacking central midfielder. He's quicker, gets more assists than Klassen and is used to this league. Klassen is the kind of player that will go to Everton to replace Barkley and not be as good, imo.

But you're assuming that by buying one type of player we'd not be trying to buy another type of player.

We need depth across the squad, and at the moment we don't really have adequate backup for Eriksen/Alli etc.

I'm no expert on Klaassen but having players who can slot in and do a job whilst Eriksen/Alli/Son have a rest is no bad thing.

 

[JonnySpurs]

But you're assuming that by buying one type of player we'd not be trying to buy another type of player.

We need depth across the squad, and at the moment we don't really have adequate backup for Eriksen/Alli etc.

I'm no expert on Klaassen but having players who can slot in and do a job whilst Eriksen/Alli/Son have a rest is no bad thing.

I think this is getting way over-analysed. I really don't think I said anything particularly controversial and I'm not assuming anything. I believe our biggest need is quick, wide player but I've not said that we shouldn't or wouldn't buy a backup number 10. If anything I suggested that Barkley would be a better option than Klassen.

I guess I should've just said I don't rate the player and don't believe that he's good enough for us.

I was simply trying to point out that he's a limited player in the respect that i think he is more about scoring goals than being creative and considering the players we have that can get goals, I would PERSONALLY prefer that we had a more all round player backing up/rotating with Eriksen & Alli that can both create AND score.

 

[Hoopspur]

I'm no fan but twotty twotspur (can't bring myself to type his name) suggested that Klassen was a done deal back in February. Been waiting to see if it came true.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

I've watched a fair bit of Ajax over the past few seasons and can tell you neither is an exciting buy but would each serve as decent depth--better than what we currently have. We really don't have somebody outside of Eriksen who can play as both an 8 and a 10 (that's why we're after Barkley) effectively and create from either spot and Klaassen can be that guy. He doesnt have top speed or strength but he's a typical Ajax player in that he's very technically sound with both feet and knows how to use the ball and space to move around and create for others. He is a poor man's Ross Barkley--not a poor man's Christian Eriksen. They have never replaced Eriksen. Klaassen does have leadership abilities--he was captain and has been the face of the club on and off the pitch for 2/3 years now. Not sure he has that much room to grow so what you'll get is a slightly above average player who is versatile and very intelligent.

Veltman started off very brightly as a center back but this year was pushed out to right back. He did alright but he's not quick/fast enough so his future isn't there. As a center back, he'd (in my opinion) be more reliable than Eric Dier right away. He is a solid ball-playing CB which would fit very well in a back 3 with Jan and Toby. He has had some peaks and valleys in his form but overall, he's a better player than Wimmer and unless CCV is ready, we need cover at the spot and could do much worse than him. Given his current situation (one year left on deal) and the overall budget effectiveness of buying from the Eredivisie, I could see him being one of ours this summer.

Klaassen wouldn't suit me as I think there are better options but Veltman would do nicely.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I've watched a fair bit of Ajax over the past few seasons and can tell you neither is an exciting buy but would each serve as decent depth--better than what we currently have. We really don't have somebody outside of Eriksen who can play as both an 8 and a 10 (that's why we're after Barkley) effectively and create from either spot and Klaassen can be that guy. He doesnt have top speed or strength but he's a typical Ajax player in that he's very technically sound with both feet and knows how to use the ball and space to move around and create for others. He is a poor man's Ross Barkley--not a poor man's Christian Eriksen. They have never replaced Eriksen. Klaassen does have leadership abilities--he was captain and has been the face of the club on and off the pitch for 2/3 years now. Not sure he has that much room to grow so what you'll get is a slightly above average player who is versatile and very intelligent.

Veltman started off very brightly as a center back but this year was pushed out to right back. He did alright but he's not quick/fast enough so his future isn't there. As a center back, he'd (in my opinion) be more reliable than Eric Dier right away. He is a solid ball-playing CB which would fit very well in a back 3 with Jan and Toby. He has had some peaks and valleys in his form but overall, he's a better player than Wimmer and unless CCV is ready, we need cover at the spot and could do much worse than him. Given his current situation (one year left on deal) and the overall budget effectiveness of buying from the Eredivisie, I could see him being one of ours this summer.

Klaassen wouldn't suit me as I think there are better options but Veltman would do nicely.

I've seen quite a few Ajax fans say he's trash at CB. So unless you're saying Dier is even worse, I doubt he's going to be better in that position.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

I've seen quite a few Ajax fans say he's trash at CB. So unless you're saying Dier is even worse, I doubt he's going to be better in that position.

I believe--totally my opinion---that Dier has not played well this season as a CB. He had mental lapses that hurt us, not marking players or not going in early enough, etc.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I believe--totally my opinion---that Dier has not played well this season as a CB. He had mental lapses that hurt us, not marking players or not going in early enough, etc.

In the CL he wasn't great (but the whole team was pretty crap tbf), but there's no way we would have the best defence in the league if he was such a liability.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

In the CL he wasn't great (but the whole team was pretty crap tbf), but there's no way we would have the best defence in the league if he was such a liability.

Never said he was a liability but that its a position that we could improve on or bring competition to

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Never said he was a liability but that its a position that we could improve on or bring competition to

One has to wonder why Veltman was moved to RB.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

One has to wonder why Veltman was moved to RB.

The only other one on the team was Kenny Tete...Veltman provided more stability there than Tete would

 

[LaSpurs]

I believe Klaassen is the least passed-to player in the Ajax midfield, some say because the others don't trust his ball skills which definitely are limited. He's a work horse-type attacking player, very atypical of Ajax. Before Klaassen, Ajax had De Jong in the same role and he didn't exactly set the PL alight in Newcastle (and is now back in Holland).

Veltman is not a new Vertonghen or Alderweireld. They've had him playing full back for a while now, not exactly a recommendation for center back.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

I believe Klaassen is the least passed-to player in the Ajax midfield, some say because the others don't trust his ball skills which definitely are limited. He's a work horse-type attacking player, very atypical of Ajax. Before Klaassen, Ajax had De Jong in the same role and he didn't exactly set the PL alight in Newcastle (and is now back in Holland).

Veltman is not a new Vertonghen or Alderweireld. They've had him playing full back for a while now, not exactly a recommendation for center back.

and Belgium plays Jan at left back....they had 4 solid CB's and nobody for the right side of defense so they moved Veltman out and if I'm not mistaken--he started there for the Dutch national team today. He isn't a new Vertonghen or Toby but he is similar in profile. Ball playing, instinctive CB who disguises physical limitations but reading the game well and being in the right position.