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Dejan Lovren the latest to jump the sinking Southampton ship to join Liverpool

THFCSPURS19

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Gary Neville said at the half-way point of last season that Lovren was the signing of the season.
 

DaSpurs

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Lovren vs Spurs CBs:

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Overall he looks very solid, certainly doesn't appear to be a downgrade, one thing that worries me though is his "Aerial Duels Won %" but I think he more than makes up for that with his exceptional number of interceptions, which are essential for a high-line system and it shows he has a good reading of the game.

(Stats via Squawka)

While I think you're certainly right to notice that stat, I think it has to be taken account that Lovren's mobility and Poch's press likely got him into situations more often that he was less likely to win, while a considerable amount of our CB's battles we're were in the box. You can cite at the differences in possession and opposing trips to our defending third as evidence for this (on my phone, otherwise I'd find those stats for you).

Point is, I don't think that stat is as alarming as it appears on the surface. Good stuff though, and I appreciate you finding these for us.
 

MattPhilpott

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I think that the game as we know it is changing so much that defending is much less about clearing the ball as far as you can, but more about having CB's that can carry the ball out of defence, have confidence on the ball and have reasonable dribbling ability...

For that reason, I think Lovren would be a terrific signing, to go with Vlad and Verts and maybe another new CB (would love Schar but not holding my breath), having those 4 at the back I think would be very good as they work well with a high line defence as they have pace to track back, whilst Dawson and Kaboul - (more so this past year) have limited pace and struggle with a high line, whilst Verts, Vlad, Lovren and Schar would be 4 great CB's to have...
 

Barry Mead

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Be nice to get Lovren and Shaw, two defenders who know each others game and at 24 and 18 two still young but good players who you would imagine should only keep getting better
 

RJ1882

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The slating of Lovren was for good reason. He was awful for Lyon the season prior to his first with Southampton. 3 Reds, horrible defense errors (which were a direct result of a lack of concentration as opposed to a lack of physical ability) and he was so inconsistent.

It's just like Samuel Umtiti. People maintain he is a decent player (from a Spurs perspective) because he was decent against us. But, if you watch Umtiti, he's got a real tendency to be a mindless defender and sometimes his positional awareness is on level of Danny Rose.

Can only judge it by what I seen, which was his games against Spurs and some Croations international games, and he always impressed me. There are people who watch a lot more football than i do though so if they have seen something else thats fair enough. To me, what I seen, it was no surprise he done well at Southampton. I'd be happy to have him alongside Vertonghen next season.
 

Ledleys Knee

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I think that the game as we know it is changing so much that defending is much less about clearing the ball as far as you can, but more about having CB's that can carry the ball out of defence, have confidence on the ball and have reasonable dribbling ability...

For that reason, I think Lovren would be a terrific signing, to go with Vlad and Verts and maybe another new CB (would love Schar but not holding my breath), having those 4 at the back I think would be very good as they work well with a high line defence as they have pace to track back, whilst Dawson and Kaboul - (more so this past year) have limited pace and struggle with a high line, whilst Verts, Vlad, Lovren and Schar would be 4 great CB's to have...

I think we need to keep Dawson as an option.

We still have to play teams like West Ham and Stoke, and I wouldn't especially fancy any of Verts, Lovren or Chiriches up against a big battering ram like Carroll, Benteke or Lukaku. It's just about having a bit of variety/being equipped for all forward lines.

Soton fans seem to think Yakin will bring Schar with him as Lovren's replacement.
 

HoltbiusMac

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I think we need to keep Dawson as an option.

We still have to play teams like West Ham and Stoke, and I wouldn't especially fancy any of Verts, Lovren or Chiriches up against a big battering ram like Carroll, Benteke or Lukaku. It's just about having a bit of variety/being equipped for all forward lines.

Soton fans seem to think Yakin will bring Schar with him as Lovren's replacement.

Yakin is off to Spartak Moscow - Schar might follow him there though I suppose.
 

Chris12

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Will not be happy if Chiriches is leaving for Lovren, would want both of them. Chiriches impresses me as a defender and will improve this season I think
 

LukeBB

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Vlad Chiriches deserves another season with us, he has all the qualities to be a top quality CB, the only problem I've had with him this season has been his attitude at times (although I could say that about half the squad after last season). For him to come over here and adjust the way he has from the Romanian League to the Premier League, I think he's done fantastically well, especially when you consider some of his performances such as Man Utd away. His bursts forward could serve us well as it brings another dimension to our attack, he's got a rocket of a shot on him, he's good with both feet and he can cover at RB and possibly LB.



 

MattPhilpott

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I think we need to keep Dawson as an option.

We still have to play teams like West Ham and Stoke, and I wouldn't especially fancy any of Verts, Lovren or Chiriches up against a big battering ram like Carroll, Benteke or Lukaku. It's just about having a bit of variety/being equipped for all forward lines.

Soton fans seem to think Yakin will bring Schar with him as Lovren's replacement.

That's very true, having someone like Dawson would be quite helpful against physical sides, however I think Verts is capable of dealing with them. Vlad needs to bulk up this summer to help himself adapt, but nonetheless, with some top CB's, we could really have a great side starting from the back...for a change...(y)
 

TheAmerican

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From saintsweb:

Poster 1: Have it on decent authority that Dejan will be off to Spurs, to be finalised in the next couple of days
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Poster 2: Yep I have heard this too, I think from the same source. Hopefully not true but a strong enough rumour to post I feel. Dark times

Judging by the reaction on there, these individuals seem to be somewhat itk.
 

goughie1966

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I think that the game as we know it is changing so much that defending is much less about clearing the ball as far as you can, but more about having CB's that can carry the ball out of defence, have confidence on the ball and have reasonable dribbling ability...

For that reason, I think Lovren would be a terrific signing, to go with Vlad and Verts and maybe another new CB (would love Schar but not holding my breath), having those 4 at the back I think would be very good as they work well with a high line defence as they have pace to track back, whilst Dawson and Kaboul - (more so this past year) have limited pace and struggle with a high line, whilst Verts, Vlad, Lovren and Schar would be 4 great CB's to have...

Actually it's been like this in Italy and Spain for as long as I can remember. The big centre half who hoofs it the moment he gets hold of the ball is a British disease. And this is despite England producing Bobby Moore, so if Lovren is a footballer we should have him!
 

ilikeost

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Vlad Chiriches deserves another season with us, he has all the qualities to be a top quality CB, the only problem I've had with him this season has been his attitude at times (although I could say that about half the squad after last season). For him to come over here and adjust the way he has from the Romanian League to the Premier League, I think he's done fantastically well, especially when you consider some of his performances such as Man Utd away. His bursts forward could serve us well as it brings another dimension to our attack, he's got a rocket of a shot on him, he's good with both feet and he can cover at RB and possibly LB.




Are people suggesting that he shouldn't get another season?
 

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