Dele Alli at Everton

[Russ1201]

Love your optimism buddy. But I think this will be the third or fourth 'dele comeback' and it will go the same way as the last ones.

I'd love you to be right but I'd sell.

If he doesn't come good this year, being world cup year they should sell.
He seems to be sating and doing the right things....but early days. Still think he has the ability jyst mentality letting him down.

 

[Spursmatty87]

He’s been poor longer than he was good and some still want to give him chances. One of many that the club should move on from if possible

But the same can be said of other players as well. I think that most believe that the upside would be hard to buy so it’s worth the risk. Personally I think him, lo celso and Ndombele have a lot to prove this season.

I personally think Dele biggest problem is inability to read the situation of a game. Trying clever little flicks when we’re under pressure (when we need him to hold on to the ball).

Let’s hope that hitting rock bottom last season has given him a wake up call.

 

[whitechina]

But the same can be said of other players as well. I think that most believe that the upside would be hard to buy so it’s worth the risk. Personally I think him, lo celso and Ndombele have a lot to prove this season.

I personally think Dele biggest problem is inability to read the situation of a game. Trying clever little flicks when we’re under pressure (when we need him to hold on to the ball).

Let’s hope that hitting rock bottom last season has given him a wake up call.

With Dele admitting his flaws and his online posts about himself working hard~ let's hope him missing out on the Euros is the kick up the arse he needed to sort himself out
I hope he does sort it out~ sadly I have my reservations he can

 

[StanSpur]

Dele is a talent and so are Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwin, Son and even Lucas. There is no reason Spurs need to shift any of those bar maybe Lucas and possibly not even replace as the first three should be battling for the number 10 and one wide position ala Eriksen and the Foden role, whilst the second three add the pace to get in behind. Dele has to appreciate that there will be rotation but he has to play out of his skin every chance he gets or his career will slip away and before you know it he will be turning up at West Ham or the likes.

 

[thebenjamin]

If it’s e.g Dele vs Ndombele for n.o 10 role it’s Dele all day long for me.

Neither of them are 10s

 

[spursfan77]

Ndombele for me.

Why?

Does he score or assist or provide enough goal scoring chances compared to Dele?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Why?

Does he score or assist or provide enough goal scoring chances compared to Dele?

Exactly mate, completely agree.

Ndombele isn't a 10 and if he is he/when he plays there he produces far less goals or goalscoring chances than Dele does.

Tbh I really don't know what Ndombele is, he has excellent ball control and can twist and turn out of tight spaces and break lines but he can't carry the ball over long distances its all short bursts and he can't shoot and doesn't have that goalscoring knack that Dele does, he's a good player but for me he's absolutely not a 10, he's probably best in a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3 where he can be a slightly advanced RCM using his creativity and short quick passes but as I put in my comment if its a question of Dele vs Ndombele AS A 10 then its Dele all day long.

 

[carpediem991]

Why?

Does he score or assist or provide enough goal scoring chances compared to Dele?

Has Dele done anything like that in the last 18 months?

 

[spursfan77]

Has Dele done anything like that in the last 18 months?

Without checking I would suspect still more than Ndombele

 

[BringBack_leGin]

he's probably best in a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3 where he can be a slightly advanced RCM using his creativity and short quick passes

I think the issue is, given he clearly excels in the middle third but doesn’t play with the intensity of your average PL midfielder, him bring in the side necessitates playing that way. The theory is that, with two more energetic partners from Lo Celso, Højbjerg and Skipp, it would work fine, but then we’d need the front 3 to bring a lot of goals. Son, Kane, Bale looked tailor made for it but with Bale unlikely to return I feel we either need to bring in an RF with Son like potency, or we need to find a way to get Dele into the attack as outside of the main men, he’s the only other proven goalscorer at the club. If we had that 3 man midfield with Son, Kane and any of Lucas, Lamela, Bergwijn then I just don’t think we’ve got enough goals up front to justify playing a midfield 3 that lacks a final third specialist.

 

[Stamford]

We've been here twice before with him. Played badly under two separate managers. He won't get sold this summer but he should

 

[Aphex]

Sell sell sell.

Even if he does regain form, and that is a big IF. By form I mean have a good season not just 6 games, the problem still persists, where do you actually play him?

The fact is he's a luxury player who at his best posts good end product but still frustrates hugely in many other aspects of the game. He doesn't have the pace or ability to play out wide, he doesn't have the intelligence or sense to play deeper in a midfield two or three, he's really not a number 10 either.

We are a club who needs to sell a player who brings in a decent fee. The rest of our deadwood won't....so Alli is that person. That said, I don't know which clubs would want him. Best he could hope for would be a Villa or Everton but he's not being linked to anyone.

I fear we are stuck with him.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

We've been here twice before with him. Played badly under two separate managers. He won't get sold this summer but he should

Also played well under two separate managers m, the same two I’m fact.

Dele is one that I’m inclined to turn the clock back for if he stays and give him a clean slate, as a) he’s not alone I’m struggling under Mourinho and b) the sample size under Mourinho is small both in terms of games he played well in and games he didn’t. Under Pochettino it’s larger on the good v the bad, so there’s enough credit there for me to wind the clock back to summer 2019 for him IF his attitude going forward is right.

 

[Stamford]

Also played well under two separate managers m, the same two I’m fact.

Dele is one that I’m inclined to turn the clock back for if he stays and give him a clean slate, as a) he’s not alone I’m struggling under Mourinho and b) the sample size under Mourinho is small both in terms of games he played well in and games he didn’t. Under Pochettino it’s larger on the good v the bad, so there’s enough credit there for me to wind the clock back to summer 2019 for him IF his attitude going forward is right.

I get why people want to give him another chance. Personally just tired of him, Winks, Dier getting numerous chances

 

[gio747]

Without checking I would suspect still more than Ndombele

There's a cult around N'Dombele. Nice footballer, Tom Huddlestone mkII

 

[amathews3416]

Our version of Jesse Lingard. Just needs a manager to believe in him and give a run of games. Let him go and I'm sure he will be firing like Lingard did at West Ham. He is a consistent goal scorer throughout his career when manager has confidence in him and is given game time. In a team that gets very little output in goals outside of Kane/Son, that should be a premium.

If we do want to get rid, best bet would be a loan and hope he pours in the goals. and regains his form of a few years ago. That will at least raise his value a bit because as of today, I don't think we would get anywhere close to where Levy would want for him.

 

[brendanb50]

I get why people want to give him another chance. Personally just tired of him, Winks, Dier getting numerous chances

I think this is fair; ultimately with resources being tight, they will all be evaluated as to whether they can be part of this refresh or not but your point stands. All have had game time in spite of either poor form/performances/not showing up/mistakes. Even if 1/2 stay from that list, they won't have long to show their drive and capability, this is surely the last shot for all of them.

The issues I think we have across all of these players is a mixture of coaching, systems and player desire. I do feel that since the decline under Poch and the JM era, none of these players have really had a system to play in which helps them, they've also not been coached into a new system to make use of their attributes.

If we focus on Alli, as we're here, what position is he fundamentally? He's a sort of free-role/behind the striker/sort of number 10. With our current options, is that role available to him? Not really, as Kane often drops in to create and Alli hasn't shown enough desire to play in other areas around the space he creates. Did he decide he was a specific player and stopped putting a shift in, when asked to play elsewhere? I think that's possible.

For me he did reasonably well, drifting off the left (now Son's position) which afforded him adequate cover to drift and find space, which he's good at. If he can't play there or interchange with Kane, what does he do?

 

[whitechina]

I get why people want to give him another chance. Personally just tired of him, Winks, Dier getting numerous chances

I feel similar to you, while I hope he improves~ I believe he won't get back to ehere he was.
When he goes I hope he takes Dier and a nice fee comes our way

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think the issue is, given he clearly excels in the middle third but doesn’t play with the intensity of your average PL midfielder, him bring in the side necessitates playing that way. The theory is that, with two more energetic partners from Lo Celso, Højbjerg and Skipp, it would work fine, but then we’d need the front 3 to bring a lot of goals. Son, Kane, Bale looked tailor made for it but with Bale unlikely to return I feel we either need to bring in an RF with Son like potency, or we need to find a way to get Dele into the attack as outside of the main men, he’s the only other proven goalscorer at the club. If we had that 3 man midfield with Son, Kane and any of Lucas, Lamela, Bergwijn then I just don’t think we’ve got enough goals up front to justify playing a midfield 3 that lacks a final third specialist.

Completely agree mate.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

With Dele he clearly has a lot of talent, he's quite a unique player but he needs to be played in the right position, he needs to keep up the good attitude he had under Mason and he needs a manager who will put their arm around his shoulder. If all of that happens he should be one of the first names on the team sheet again.