Deloitte Football Money League: The top eight Prem clubs...

[Mullers]

Controllable debt is different to being in finacial difficulty or facing administration.
Atletico and valencia are both building new stadiums and are far more stable than when ffp was introduced although atleticos debt is rising which is worrying. Man utd is man utd.

If you have a mortgage but can afford the payments you are not in difficulty.

Even so since it was introduced football clubs debt across europe has been reduced by $700m.

Teams are still in debt. But what those figures don't take into account are other liabilities such as season tickets. If spurs sell 40,000 season tickets for the new stadium at £1000 each. They will have a "debt" of £40,000,000 until the season is over, because the games haven't been played yet.

How about QPR who are 5th on that list? Sunderland, Copenhagen, Schalke?

 

[beats1]

Not everyone that follows are fans of the club. Do you really think leicester has almost as many fans as us? Or possibly that year they won the league so people checked out who they were?

We are off the big 5 though.

I highly doubt 10 years ago city would have been above us it goes to show how being successful brings in more interest and support base, but it also shows how consistent we are as a club 6th spot does seem to be our default setting which is not bad and a good base to work from.

Being successful, helps develop your support base abroad, in this country leicester wont be near the top but across the world Leicester got more exposure because of their achievements despite us being more consistently successful over time

 

[shelfboy68]

Being successful, helps develop your support base abroad, in this country leicester wont be near the top but across the world Leicester got more exposure because of their achievements despite us being more consistently successful over time

Of course success breeds success like in the post that you have quoted me on I said that 10 years ago city would not have been in front of us but now they are.
Even in Essex where I live I have seen the odd youngster wearing city shirts which would never have been seen previously simply because their profile has been raised through getting top players in and winning silverware.
We cannot match their financial spending but it would be nice to pick up the odd trophy or two in the years to come, after all the game is supposed to be about glory isn't it.

 

[Lilbaz]

How about QPR who are 5th on that list? Sunderland, Copenhagen, Schalke?

As i said some clubs are still in debt but the overall debt of clubs in europe has been reduced by $700m.

It's like saying the murder rate has dropped 99% and then saying "yeah but my mate joe got killed".

 

[Mullers]

As i said some clubs are still in debt but the overall debt of clubs in europe has been reduced by $700m.

It's like saying the murder rate has dropped 99% and then saying "yeah but my mate joe got killed".

I provided a list of 20 clubs that are 100s of millions pounds of debt, every club believes they can control their debt at first. If FFP is working so well why are UEFA changing it?

 

[Lilbaz]

I provided a list of 20 clubs that are 100s of millions pounds of debt, every club believes they can control their debt at first. If FFP is working so well why are UEFA changing it?

They're not changing it. They are adding to it.
This is less about teams going into administration and more about limiting the effect of sugar daddies and state run clubs.

Do you think that it should go through or not?

 

[Mullers]

They're not changing it. They are adding to it.
This is less about teams going into administration and more about limiting the effect of sugar daddies and state run clubs.

Do you think that it should go through or not?

No.
PSG have already bought Mbappe and Neymar. Barcelona have bought Coutinho
Players will be paid much more money as the clubs will shift more of the transfer to wages. More players will run down their contract.

Feeder clubs will buy players and sell them to the parent club for a low fee.
Man city owners have stakes and own several other clubs so it would be good for them. Oil rich clubs already have the resources to get around this and clubs like us will stiĺ be playing catch up.

 

[coys200]

This seasons revenue will be through the roof. Just 4 extra games at Wembley last season made us £9m in gates and that was with a £75 CL package. I’d estimate our gate revenue this season will be pushing £100m . On top of decent CL run. Nike deal. Shirt sponsor. NFL deal. Naming rights if included in this years accounts. £305m could easily be well over £400m for this season.

 

[Hoops]

No.
PSG have already bought Mbappe and Neymar. Barcelona have bought Coutinho
Players will be paid much more money as the clubs will shift more of the transfer to wages. More players will run down their contract.

Feeder clubs will buy players and sell them to the parent club for a low fee.
Man city owners have stakes and own several other clubs so it would be good for them. Oil rich clubs already have the resources to get around this and clubs like us will stiĺ be playing catch up.

Quite right.

The thing UEFA dont get is, it makes no difference to me (a spurs fan). Whether Real Madrid or Man City outbid us. There will always be richer clubs whether they are state backed or fan backed. So I think FFP is to help the Man Utds, Bayerns and Madrids rather than clubs like us. Frankly I couldnt give a shit, and would rather they stopped meddling.

As Mullers says, if transfer fees are limited, clubs will just pile money into wages. Will we need a salary cap after that? How will that work?

 

[Lilbaz]

Quite right.

The thing UEFA dont get is, it makes no difference to me (a spurs fan). Whether Real Madrid or Man City outbid us. There will always be richer clubs whether they are state backed or fan backed. So I think FFP is to help the Man Utds, Bayerns and Madrids rather than clubs like us. Frankly I couldnt give a shit, and would rather they stopped meddling.

As Mullers says, if transfer fees are limited, clubs will just pile money into wages. Will we need a salary cap after that? How will that work?

Transfer fees are not being limited though. Only the net spend on transfers. Kane etc... will still be worth the same. Slows the rise though.

 

[Hoops]

Correct

Chelsea have really lost ground.

 

[Hoops]

Don't know why it's called "the richest clubs", since it's really only about the highest revenue. However, interesting that Chelsea and Liverpool has double our commercial revenue. United fetches almost our entire revenue in commercial revenue alone.
Clearly, it's not the match day capacity of the new stadium that will propel us further. Even with the new stadium, it's highly likely that we will still be the 6th PL club in terms of revenue.

Success drives commercial revenue. But a big shiny stadium attracts and pays for better players which in turn gives a better chance of success.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Success drives commercial revenue. But a big shiny stadium attracts and pays for better players which in turn gives a better chance of success.

Somewhat improves what kind of players we can pay, that's right. No of course there will be mutually reinforcing consequences from the stadium, but it won't be directly the key to nirvana.

 

[robertgoulet]

NSR but about the Deloitte report:

https://www.theringer.com/2018/1/26...anchester-united-jose-mourinho-deloitte-money

 

[Misfit]

It will take a few years to really challenge but the stadium will give us a giant leap into the top 10.

Match day revenue will be far higher than Liverpool and Chelsea and the stadium naming rights will be an immediate boost.

Unless we have a complete collapse in form then we should be able to grow our commercial income faster than rivals who have 5,10,15 years in the limelight and command commensurately bigger deals.

I predict we'll be top 7 within 5 years

How much do you reckon we could get for stadium naming rights, do you know? Sorry if it's a n00b question but I'm clueless and the google results about it vary wildly.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

How much do you reckon we could get for stadium naming rights, do you know? Sorry if it's a n00b question but I'm clueless and the google results about it vary wildly.

Not enough, seems to be Levy’s opinion.

Whatever the value to somone else of assured and regular global coverage like that, he has said that value is at least as great to Tottenham. So why sell one of our most remunerative assets?

So if it’s worth £200m say to someone else with no direct involvement with Spurs or football, he’s saying it’s worth more to the club.

It,s a very different equation for shirt and other kitsponsorships, for example, where any value comes as incremental income as opposed to payment for value sacrificed.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

Some names from the past posting in this thread.

 

[Locotoro]

I think they said that the exposure the Stadium had given the club had perhaps outweighed the value of selling the naming rights. Beyonce at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium gives us a lot of visibility to the non-football world as opposed to Beyonce at the Amazon Arena for example

 

[UncleBuck]

I think they said that the exposure the Stadium had given the club had perhaps outweighed the value of selling the naming rights. Beyonce at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium gives us a lot of visibility to the non-football world as opposed to Beyonce at the Amazon Arena for example

Yea, from a commercial perspective I think old baldie has played a blinder on this now. We were all moaning about him not doing a deal with someone but we can quite clearly afford not to and I think the benefits for outweigh selling our name off for a few quid.
Could you imagine if someone tried to pull that at OT or Anfield, there would be murders!

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I think they said that the exposure the Stadium had given the club had perhaps outweighed the value of selling the naming rights. Beyonce at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium gives us a lot of visibility to the non-football world as opposed to Beyonce at the Amazon Arena for example

Correct, it was in the Q & A with fans.....

So for us, we want to find the right sponsor, in the right sector at the right price and in the meantime, unless we get that, we won't put a name on the stadium. We'd rather just have Tottenham Hotspur.

Every word Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy said at fans’ forum

Tottenham on Tuesday held their first fans’ forum in six years as chairman Daniel Levy gave supporters a rare opportunity to have concerns directly addressed.

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