Discussion on Spurs share price..

[Coyboy]

So Jol got fired for saying that we couldn't get the top four with that squad so they brought Ramos in who said the same, gave him money to spend on the squad to make it top four material and now we are bottom.

Fucking hell.

Not sure how much I believe of this story, although Graham did get fired for saying there wasn't much money to spend though that was probably a smokescreen.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

because levy threw money at all of them ? (had no mud) :shrug:

:lol: Yeah, that's possible, I guess. Not what I was thinking, but possible. :lol:

So Jol got fired for saying that we couldn't get the top four with that squad so they brought Ramos in who said the same, gave him money to spend on the squad to make it top four material and now we are bottom.

Fucking hell.

Not sure how much I believe of this story, although Graham did get fired for saying there wasn't much money to spend though that was probably a smokescreen.

Nah, there's definitely more to it than that. From both sides and I doubt any of us either know the full story or understand it's finer workings. Plus, how much one side would have been let down by the other (I do think it worked both ways, but who really knows?) and allowed that to cloud their judgement/actions thereafter.

 

[al_pacino]

Nah, there's definitely more to it than that. From both sides and I doubt any of us either know the full story or understand it's finer workings. Plus, how much one side would have been let down by the other (I do think it worked both ways, but who really knows?) and allowed that to cloud their judgement/actions thereafter.

The problem with this is the information comes from ITKs who clearly have an agenda(or the the person providing the info). We'll never really know.

 

[sidford]

It's been posted before so I don't think there's any problem in repeating that we know a view (unquestionably a biased one, but nonetheless, I believe it to be true) that Martin Jol spoke with Newcastle about the manager's job there. This was way before we even thought about Ramos.

It sounds like Joe Lewis asked the board to have a contingency to Jol leaving (seeing as he was touting himself around) and Ramos was the most highly rated manager in Europe that was interested in the gig. Things obviously didn't go smoothly from there on but I would say it is a fair bet that Jol and Levy's relationship broke down to fault on both sides, and not just Levy's, whatever you might read/hear in the media.


Obviously not gospel, but that's pretty much all we know/all we've heard. :up:

yea heard the newcastle story alright. definately seems it wasnt all one way thats for sure. cheers bill

 

[Coyboy]

:lol: Yeah, that's possible, I guess. Not what I was thinking, but possible. :lol:



Nah, there's definitely more to it than that. From both sides and I doubt any of us either know the full story or understand it's finer workings. Plus, how much one side would have been let down by the other (I do think it worked both ways, but who really knows?) and allowed that to cloud their judgement/actions thereafter.

Exactly, doesn't triumphs story presuppose that Jol was too honest and therefore got the sack. It also presupposes a more hands on role for Lewis which others have refuted, including Dan Ashcroft.

 

[Coyboy]

Has anyone got a link where Jol says we couldn't make the top four in summer 07.

 

[Kendall]

I remmeber when City went down to league one.

Look at them now.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

The problem with this is the information comes from ITKs who clearly have an agenda(or the the person providing the info). We'll never really know.

Absolutely. I trust the people (more than one) who have supplied this info, but, as ever, it will reflect just one side of the story.

Although the counter to that is to say that the media are far more inclined to promote the anti-club/pro-Jol stories and hence I often find myself sticking up for the pro-club angles/stories. Which is daft as I think he's a terrific manager.

Either way, it's sad to say but BMJ had/has far more of an idea on media and public relations than THFC's communications team.

 

[Coyboy]

Jol said this in August 07 after Ramos had been approached;

'I fully understand the ambitions of the club, With the squad of players we have assembled, it is realistic that we should look to challenge for a top four position."

He then said this after the United game;

“There is always a next step but clubs like Arsenal and Chelsea might have something to say about that.”

Two days earlier he said this;

The only thing they wanted to know was if I believed that we could be in the top four and I said, 'Yes, I believe it - the only thing now is that I have nine players out and I need some time'.

I cannot remember or find where he says, while still Spurs manager, that we could not categorically make the top four. Even if he did, I find it inconceivable that that would be the driving force behind his departure. We will probably never know what really happened but it is so important because it has affected where we are today.

 

[Wiener]

Very interesting reading and many thanks for posting it.

Regarding the question of accountability:

the business model they have adopted is flawed vis a vis there is no accountability i.e. who is directly responsible for the “on the pitch failure”?

it is very clear who is responsible for what? Levy is the CEO, he chose Comolli as Sporting Director who chose Ramos as Head Coach.

My understanding of the current ownership of the club is as follows (I haven't really had time to check thouroughly):

Since Sugar sold his remaining shares to Criales Holdings Ltd (of which Enic is a subsidiary), Criales Ltd (last I checked owned 70% Lewis and 30% Levy and his family) now has 66% of all shares and complete control. The only other significant shareholder is, or at least was Hodram (owned by Stelios of Easyjet's family).

The only really important shareholder is Joe Lewis and he is a rather secretive figure it's very hard to know/guess what he will do and how hands he is. According to this article it seems Lewis is more hands on than I previously thought (asking for a contingency plan should Jol leave). Levy has made the club extremely profitable in recent years and I suspect this will buy him some time with Lewis.

If Levy sacks Comolli any time soon and completely changes the business model, it will look like an act of desperation / panic so I cannot believe he would chose to do this. I believe he will stick it out until at least the middle of December before taking any drastic action (should it still be needed then).

Interesting read none the less and thanks again for posting.

 

[Reg]

I'm sorry but I don't understand why everyone is worried about the business. I keep hearing how well Levy is doing as a businessman and then we find the value of the club has dived. I keep hearing how we need to be making a big profit to succeed, yet we are making a big profit, and we're nowhere near succeeding and going backwardsw.

LEVY HAS FAILED the team and multiple managers and now the business is starting to fade, first the share price, next the profits due to lack of TV revenue, lack of merchandise sales, depreciation of players, less money coming in but still wages to pay under contract. LEVY HAS FAILED.

WHY IS EVERYONE STICKING UP FOR HIM-YOU ARE DELUDED TO BE SURE!

 

[Real_madyidd]

LOL. Wrong

 

[robofan]

This is what's in the thread...

Value of the Club will spur action - Yesterday, 02:54 PM


Incidentally, since starting this thread the share price has now dropped to 82.5p – Paul Barber for Chairman???

Eek who said that :hand: :silenced: