Do we lack the ability to lure top players from clubs that are deemed similar clubs?

[teok]

Can we stop with this need to finish top 4, the board does this and we keep sacking our managers resulting in a club with no stability.

How about we just drop that shit and say, lets just go an play our football, lets not put so much pressure on the manager and squad, we have the players, we have the quality to win more games than we lose, so lets just go out an win as many games as we can and see what happens, whilst enjoying the ride.

With Arsenal, ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea, ManC aiming for top 4 is f-king ridiculous if results in the manger being sacked all the time etc etc.

Not saying we wont ever get, because we will, but lets just enjoy our game.

Just answering the question mate. Also needing to finish top 4 does not equate to constantly sacking managers. In fact it's the opposite. It doesn't need to be this season or any real time frame. But that is the answer to the question that was posed.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Just answering the question mate. Also needing to finish top 4 does not equate to constantly sacking managers. In fact it's the opposite. It doesn't need to be this season or any real time frame. But that is the answer to the question that was posed.

Wasn't aiming it at you, was aiming it in general to everyone.

Just getting sick of this top 4 this, top 4 that.

It is doing us no favours at all.

 

[NEVILLEB]

We definitely seem to be less attractive than we were 3 years ago.

 

[arunspurs]

Its time we win a league cup or FA Cup - atleast get to a final.
Winning Europa could be the ultimate one next season - would guarantee CL football as well.

 

[Kendall]

Yes. I think the whole 'target is top 4' thing is wearing a bit thin now with some potential targets who may see the likes of Vertonghen and Lloris having wasted teo or three years here when they could/should have been playing in the CL.

We made the top 4 twice and have since sold our two best players. I think we appear to a lot of players as a team on the slide.

We need to be more creative in the transfer market in my view. Look at the likes of Atletico for example, they were hardly a collection of world star galacticos. Baldini needs to earn his coin and get creative, Poch needs to get the best out of what he have.

Too many teams who are poorer on paper seem to perform much better than we do and it's been happening too much.

 

[arunspurs]

Was aiming it at you, was aiming it in general to everyone.

Just getting sick of this top 4 this, top 4 that.

It is doing us no favours at all.

You comment on negative attitude of people here...Don't you think this is also negative way to think?

If we don't put our self under pressure, where is the will to succeed.

You saw what happened with England ? Did taking pressure or expectation out of England national team, help the team's cause ? Worse now the attitude is even bad - there is not even contempt towards the terrible tournament. Roy Hodgson would have been knighted had England qualified for Round of 16.

 

[SteveH]

Not even United get the top players these days.......
3 years ago PSG and Monaco were not throwing the silly money about which has further inflated the market.

I was gutted when David Luiz turned us down.

 

[SteveH]

You comment on negative attitude of people here...Don't you think this is also negative way to think? Spot on

If we don't put our self under pressure, where is the will to succeed.

You saw what happened with England ? Did taking pressure or expectation out of England national team, help the team's cause ? Worse now the attitude is even bad - there is not even contempt towards the terrible tournament. Roy Hodgson would have been knighted had England qualified for Round of 16.

I doubt Roy would be able to stay awake for the investiture.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Fuck me we have some...naive fans.

On Draxler, Spurs are not as attractive as Schalke, by any fathomable measure.
On Shaw, Spurs are not as 'big' as Man United because they're Man United and are enormous.

They are only similar clubs in the minds of fools

 

[lami]

While I think what you're saying has merit, I think you are off on these points: -

Lloris - Every club wants a better keeper. Its why Juve sold Van der Sar and bought Buffon, even though Van Der Sar was class.
Verts - had made up his mind and liked our club, as he said
Lamela - was a coup in any dimension
Eriksen - 12m is not a lot when Rodwell cost £8m iirc
VdV - £8m steal
Sandro - was looked at by clubs in Italy but picked us
Capoue - highly rated in France and probably a shoe in in Arsenal's squad last season

For a club renowned for paying lower tier wages we have acquired some great talents in front of clubs that can afford the fee & the wages

I would have to disagree with some of your points!
Lloris - at the time we bought him you will struggle find a team that were looking for a new keeper who didnt already have a top keeper in place.
Lamela - no one else was willing to pay the money that we did for him. It was a big gamble (one that as of yet hasn't paid off, showing that other clubs were probably right nit to spend that kind of cash on him at the time) I personally think he will come good but time will tell.
Eriksen - Rodwell as with all home grown players was well over priced! If Eriksen had been English his price would have been upward of 20mil. Still we were the only club willing to pay the cash and take a gamble!
Sandro - we had an agreement/partnership with his club Internacional at the time. If I remember correctly the deal was in place for a couple of years before he signed. When others became interested he had already signed to come to spurs.
Capoue - known to have a bit of an attitude problem so clubs were put off

 

[TheGreenLily]

You comment on negative attitude of people here...Don't you think this is also negative way to think?

If we don't put our self under pressure, where is the will to succeed.

You saw what happened with England ? Did taking pressure or expectation out of England national team, help the team's cause ? Worse now the attitude is even bad - there is not even contempt towards the terrible tournament. Roy Hodgson would have been knighted had England qualified for Round of 16.

I saw what happened with England, the same thing that happens with England every year...

We have a bunch of over rated, over paid players who earn far to much for achieving very little, with a terrible lack of technical ability and footballing intelligence... consistently go out an prove why English football is in such a mess.

No, my way of thinking is not negative, because going out and trying to win as many games you can is positive, because then you go out an treat every game like a cup final regardless...

"Yeah we lost today, but there is only a point in it, no biggy, just need to beat x next week" - That is not a positive attitude to have.

 

[Mullers]

I've opened this thread after a discussion on the draxler transfer thread.
I am of the opinion that at the moment we as a club are not an attractive proposition for what people would deem top upcoming or already developed players.
I don't think that we are likely to obtain players such as Draxler/Shaw etc unless they have no other options!
In the past we have bought the likes of Lloris, Vertonghen, Lamela and Eriksen! But were other clubs really looking to buy these players at the time we bought them?
Lloris - Lyon were in financial trouble and not many top teams were looking for a new keeper
Vertonghen - I believe Arsenal came in with a last minute bid but Vertonghen had already committed to us (believe he is an honourable man who stuck to his public words of wanting to join us)
Lamela - were many clubs really looking at him at the time of buying him? I think we offered top cash for him and offered him a hell of a lot more than Roma were willing to pay him.
Eriksen - a lot of teams were looking at him but no one was willing to take a chance on the 12 million fee.

When was the last time we bought a player from a "so called" big club or bought a player that big clubs were looking at?

VDV was a one off! He was all set to join Bayern for 18mil but they pulled out at last minute, step in Levy for a masterclass!

I think the future of our club is to buy young players with potential and hope they turn out to be top draw (then probably sell them to a "bigger club")

Dude, really? You only just realised this?
We're not a club in the running to win things, we had one trophy win during Levy's time in charge and one entry into the CL and we have little or no money now that the Bale money is finished. There is no chance of regular CL football unless we find a coach like Wenger who can get players in for cheap and keep then within our wage structure or have a major cash injection.

We had a chance of qualifying for the CL on a couple of occasions but blew it, didn't strengthen sufficiently when we qualified. Chasing after Leandro Damiao for 2 or 3 seasons didn't help, neither did replacing Modric with Dembele instead of Moutinho.

We supposedly have one of the best DOF's around but his hands seemed to be tied.

Draxler? Forget about it, never going to happen

 

[yido_number1]

With the exception of VDV it seems to work better when we buy players that have potential rather than the star names. So far you look at names like Berbatov, Bale, Eriksen, Carrick, Modric and to some extent Walker who have all done well for us and either play to their potential and above or we've developed and sold on for good money.

Then you compare them to the likes of Rebrov, Soldado (I hope he comes good), Paulinho etc that were supposed to be at their peak and they just haven't come off. I think we should continue on the same path buying the potential and forget about the Willians, Sanchez, Ozil, Hulk kind of signings

 

[HotspurFC1950]

1959 to 1969 was our time as the millionaires buying players, winning some things and players wanting to join us ahead of any other club in UK and Europe. It has passed us by without legacy.

 

[Gilzeanking]

1959 to 1969 was our time as the millionaires buying players, winning some things and players wanting to join us ahead of any other club in UK and Europe. It has passed us by without legacy.

Quite so . We broke transfer records at the time . Our ground capacity was 5-6 mill behind the biggest at OT, 58 mill to 63.

One cause of the decline must be the decision made that 36 000 was a sufficiently large capacity . That looks to have been short term thinking at best .

 

[brasil_spur]

I am of the opinion that at the moment we as a club are not an attractive proposition for what people would deem top upcoming or already developed players.

Berbatov, Modric, Bale, VDV, Lamela, Eriksen, Lloris, Vertonghnen, Holtby, Kaboul, Sandro and Soldado all say "Hi"

 

[NEVILLEB]

We should be spending big on young players with big potential.

It's the only way we'll get back to where we were.

 

[tooey]

We should be spending big on young players with big potential.

It's the only way we'll get back to where we were.

Agree and disagree with this, the way forward is definitely to invest in youth, though you always have to supplement youth with proven quality. We've proven in recent years that we definitely have the pull to get top players (Maybe not within the "elite" group) but we aren't as far down the football food chain as some people are making out.

 

[borgsta]

It's all about money and our wages are a long way off world class players. We can sign players that have potential to be world class.

 

[beats1]

Eriksen wasn't cheap because he was foreign. Eriksen was cheap because he was in the last year of his contract. Same for Vertonghen and Muniain(oh wait that didnt happen )