Early Transfer Business vs Late Transfer Business

[Pizza]

Do you think it's better to wrap up dealings early and/or before the season starts? If so, how much of a difference do you think it makes?

To offer a bit of perspective, here are the players we've brought in before the start of a season during Pochettino's time in charge:

Victor Wanyama
Vincent Janssen
Toby Alderweireld
Kevin Wimmer
Kieran Trippier
Ben Davies
Dele Alli
Eric Dier

and players brought in after the start of a season:

Georges-Kevin N'Koudou
Moussa Sissoko
Heung-Min Son
Clinton N'Jie
Benjamin Stambouli
Federico Fazio

Any way you look at it, our hit-rate seems to be a lot better with early arrivals.

We all know Levy likes his deadline day discounts, and has had some success with them in the past (notably van der Vaart), but looking at the list above, is it not time to change his approach with regards to incomings?

All our top 4/title rivals have been getting business done at this point; even Arsenal look like they're on the brink of signing both Lacazette and Lemar, the latter being one of the very few targets we've been legitimately linked to. All of these players are going to have a pre-season with their team and given every chance to adapt to the system.

 

[TheHood]

The vast majority of business is concluded in the latter weeks of the window with the most active day being the last. All clubs would like to conclude their business early the reality is that none of them actually do. That is how the market operates what is odd is that there is still an expectation amongst some that this seemingly shouldn't apply to us.

 

[TheHood]

And there is little point in reducing the player sample to The current manager, that is being selective. The likes of Postiga, Rebrov and Paulinho were signed before preseason had even began whilst Soldaldo signed before the season had started. They key is finding the right player not finding the right time.

 

[Pizza]

The vast majority of business is concluded in the latter weeks of the window with the most active day being the last. All clubs would like to conclude their business early the reality is that none of them actually do. That is how the market operates what is odd is that there is still an expectation amongst some that this seemingly shouldn't apply to us.

Who said anything about 'concluding' business?

At this point, every other potential title challenger has brought in one or more players at this point except for Arsenal & Chelsea, who are seemingly on the brink of bringing players in. As for us, we've brought in nobody, and that doesn't look like changing any time soon.

A lot of business gets done towards the end because the prices start to drop. That doesn't mean it's unreasonable to conduct business early.

And there is little point in reducing the player sample to The current manager, that is being selective. The likes of Postiga, Rebrov and Paulinho were signed before preseason had even began whilst Soldaldo signed before the season had started. They key is finding the right player not finding the right time.

Wrong again. Pochettino has emphasized the importance of pre-season training on numerous occasions.

 

[TheHood]

The vast majority of business is concluded in the latter weeks of the window with the most active day being the last. All clubs would like to conclude their business early the reality is that none of them actually do. That is how the market operates what is odd is that there is still an expectation amongst some that this seemingly shouldn't apply to us.

Who said anything about 'concluding' business?

At this point, every other potential title challenger has brought in one or more players at this point except for Arsenal & Chelsea, who are seemingly on the brink of bringing players in. As for us, we've brought in nobody, and that doesn't look like changing any time soon.

A lot of business gets done towards the end because the prices start to drop. That doesn't mean it's unreasonable to conduct business early.

And there is little point in reducing the player sample to The current manager, that is being selective. The likes of Postiga, Rebrov and Paulinho were signed before preseason had even began whilst Soldaldo signed before the season had started. They key is finding the right player not finding the right time.

Wrong again. Pochettino has emphasized the importance of pre-season training on numerous occasions.

Manchester United has signed one player, City has signed one player, Liverpool has signed one player. Those are the facts and that is it, the rest is nothing more than speculation. It doesn't matter who Arsenal or Chelsea are linked to, it is who they sign. And you are being highly selective with this. If Arsenal or Chelsea are on the brink of signings why are we not? Are we. It being heavily linked with players such as Barkley and Lemar? This is nothing more than the annual early window whine about not knowing the extent of our transfer operations. The notion that we are being left behind due to 3 clubs making a single signing is just absurd. As for Pochettino, well which manager doesn't advocate that? They all do but the realities of the market prevent that from occurring.

 

[Pizza]

City has signed one player,

Wrong again.

If Arsenal or Chelsea are on the brink of signings why are we not? Are we.

That's exactly the problem I'm highlighting.

It being heavily linked with players such as Barkley and Lemar?

With Barkley it's becoming glaringly apparent we're biding our time, waiting for a better price.
As for Lemar, JJ just suggested Arsenal are getting him. If you know your ITKs, it means this is probably true.

This is nothing more than the annual early window whine about not knowing the extent of our transfer operations.

Sounds like you're the only one whining here. I was just asking a question in the OP.

The notion that we are being left behind due to 3 clubs making a single signing is just absurd.

Who said anything about being left behind? I think we're conceding an advantage, but even with no transfers, I still think we have a very strong team that's good enough to make the top 4.

The problem I'm highlighting is that we're all too happy settling for transfers late in the window, and as a result, they often have trouble adapting to our system. Even one of our better late signings Son had a poor first season.

As for Pochettino, well which manager doesn't advocate that? They all do but the realities of the market prevent that from occurring.

Who cares about other managers? The record under his 3-year tenure clearly shows early signings have a far better success rate than August/Deadline day signings. There's a good chance having a full pre-season makes a big difference.

 

[TheHood]

Apologies I forget City had signed Ederson, time to sound the panic alarms.

The reality here that the window isn't even open, it doesn't open until the 1st of July and there are questions over our timing activity already.

It is quite apparent that this thread wouldn't even exist had JJ not posted about Lemar because you went straight from there to posting this. This all speculation and what you are choosing to do is to believe that speculation that favours the likes of Arsenal and City and choosing to believing that does not favour us.

We don't know what is happening behind the scenes, what we do know from previous summer windows is that we will make some signings early but as with most clubs most of the business will be concluded in the later stages of the window because that is how the market operates. Expectations should be set based on that, not on a situation that you want but one that does not occur for any club.

Again this isn't a timing issue, Janssen was signed early in the window and has been extremely poor for us. If the player is the right one then they will work regardless of the timescales. If a player isn't then it doesn't matter when they sign because it won't matter.

 

[Pizza]

Again this isn't a timing issue, Janssen was signed early in the window and has been extremely poor for us. If the player is the right one then they will work regardless of the timescales. If a player isn't then it doesn't matter when they sign because it won't matter.

It's your word against the evidence listed in the OP.

I know what I'm leaning towards.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The reality here that the window isn't even open, it doesn't open until the 1st of July and there are questions over our timing activity already.

The reality here is that the window has been open for some days now. Troll.

 

[Hoddlesrightboot]

I would like the team to be settled and hit the ground running for the opening day of the season so as to avoid the early season draws and losses. Get 'em in early I say!

 

[TheHood]

The reality here that the window isn't even open, it doesn't open until the 1st of July and there are questions over our timing activity already.

The reality here is that the window has been open for some days now. Troll.

Apologies if they have changed in from previous years. It has been open for all of 15 days. If not panicking about makes me a troll then so be it.

 

[Gb160]

I would like the team to be settled and hit the ground running for the opening day of the season so as to avoid the early season draws and losses. Get 'em in early I say!

As I posted somewhere else, we won 5 out of our opening 7 games last year...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Apologies if they have changed in from previous years. It has been open for all of 15 days. If not panicking about makes me a troll then so be it.

No it's not that which makes you a troll. You know this, but as usual, you think being obtuse will get you somewhere.

 

[Tucker]

Do you think it's better to wrap up dealings early and/or before the season starts? If so, how much of a difference do you think it makes?

To offer a bit of perspective, here are the players we've brought in before the start of a season during Pochettino's time in charge:

Victor Wanyama
Vincent Janssen
Toby Alderweireld
Kevin Wimmer
Kieran Trippier
Ben Davies
Dele Alli
Eric Dier

and players brought in after the start of a season:

Georges-Kevin N'Koudou
Moussa Sissoko
Heung-Min Son
Clinton N'Jie
Benjamin Stambouli
Federico Fazio

Any way you look at it, our hit-rate seems to be a lot better with early arrivals.

We all know Levy likes his deadline day discounts, and has had some success with them in the past (notably van der Vaart), but looking at the list above, is it not time to change his approach with regards to incomings?

All our top 4/title rivals have been getting business done at this point; even Arsenal look like they're on the brink of signing both Lacazette and Lemar, the latter being one of the very few targets we've been legitimately linked to. All of these players are going to have a pre-season with their team and given every chance to adapt to the system.

That list speaks for itself really doesn't it. Only Son has gone on to be a success from those signed late in the window. The rest have been abject failures.

 

[Japhet]

I would like the team to be settled and hit the ground running for the opening day of the season so as to avoid the early season draws and losses. Get 'em in early I say!

If we don't lose anyone major, we will have a settled team for the start of the season.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

As @TheHood quite rightly states - some of you don't understand how the market operates. The majority of all transfer business is done in the final 2 weeks of the window, that is fact. It's not only us, it is the majority of clubs who conclude transfers during this period.

I'm sure if we can sign all our players early we would be but it relies on 3 parties coming to an agreement - the player and his agent and both clubs. And we all know there are so many variables that it is not always easy. The window is essentially a game of cat and mouse and if we have specific targets we have to wait our turn - either for bigger clubs to hoover up who they want before us as we can't compete with them or for selling clubs to lower their unrealistic asking prices towards the end of the window.

We have got to the point that only very specific targets will improve us - I would rather wait it out to see if we can get them, than just sign sub standard targets early in the window to appease impatient fans.

 

[danielneeds]

There's a theory that once the moneybags clubs like City conclude their business that the prices will go down a bit. That's probably one of the reasons Levy is holding fire a bit this summer. Let them spend and fill up their squads and then go into the market when there is more realism - there will still be good players available but their clubs and agents won't be holding out for City or Chelsea type money.

 

[Pizza]

As @TheHood quite rightly states - some of you don't understand how the market operates. The majority of all transfer business is done in the final 2 weeks of the window, that is fact. It's not only us, it is the majority of clubs who conclude transfers during this period.

What you don't understand is that we have a choice.

We have got to the point that only very specific targets will improve us - I would rather wait it out to see if we can get them, than just sign sub standard targets early in the window to appease impatient fans.

Of all the post-first game signings we've made, Son is the only one that's clearly improved us over the last 3 years.

There's nothing substandard about players like Toby and Wanyama.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

What you don't understand is that we have a choice.


Of all the post-first game signings we've made, Son is the only one that's clearly improved us over the last 3 years.

There's nothing substandard about players like Toby and Wanyama.

There are a lot of variables on what makes a successful signing - for example, VDV signed on deadline day and was one of our best signings. So it's not as simplistic as the earlier you make a signing, the more successful they will be.

The fact is if Poch has specifically said he wants a player then we don't just move on to options B, C or D just because the selling club want to try and fuck us around. Take Barkley for instance - Everton are apparently demanding £50m for him, which will inevitably go down by the end of the window. It would be silly just to move on to option B just because a few fans are getting twitchy. I'm sure Poch understands the transfer game, and even though he would prefer targets secured early, if he needs to wait until the end of the window then i'm sure he would rather do that than move on to options B, C or D.

 

[bubble07]

Early or late once a bid from us is acceptef. Selling club and agent will tell clubs with more money and we will get outbid