England fans involved in clashes in Marseille

[tiger666]

It's a worldwide twat problem.

It's not though is it. Where are all the reports of the Irish kicking off, the Swedish etc. It's not just the English but we have a serious problem with alcohol and violence. Our fans just seem to congregate in drunken mobs and antagonise others.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I've seen many a dust up after rugby matches in and outside of Wales. It probably has something to do with the fact that all of the English rugby fans are barristers and doctors etc etc. I've also seen big fights between fans on tour in NZ and South Africa and that's not even going into how the rugby players themselves (especially the Englush) can act off the pitch.

Rugby is no different when you go to countries where it's not a middle/upper class sport.

I could literally name at least half a dozen times I have personally witnessed big fights between rival sets of fans after rugby matches.

So what you are basically saying is that it's the fault of the working classes?

Damn those oiks.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

Seeing these videos of the English fans and "ooo look how hard i am" with their chest all puffed out.

Its embarrassing and they should all be drafted in the Army if they are so "tough".

I can't help thinking of that TV programme with Dennis Waterman narrating where spotty-faced teenagers were sentenced for stuff like shoplifting or joyriding, and they had to spend a couple of weeks in an army camp. Those drill sergeants reduced them to the piles of shit that they really are.

 

[E17yid]

So what you are basically saying is that it's the fault of the working classes?

Damn those oiks.

No, though it's a different mind set. One respect where it's no different to football is that you're talking about a minority of fans who look to cause trouble.

I'd also say, though rugby has moved on a lot since we were growing up, that violence on the pitch was a million times worse than it's ever been in football which didn't exactly send out a good message, especially to kids.

This isn't an excuse but if you're a steel worker who works 50 hours a week and lives and breathes rugby as opposed to a barrister who has a interest in the game you're going to be looking at it in a different way. Especially if things get heated. You're upbringings are likely to be different and you might be more prone to lash out. Like i said this is no wxcuse as the majority of working class rugby and football fans just enjoy watching the sport they love but I really hate this English idea that rugby is so much more civilised than football. Try going to some grass roots rugby in other countries such as wales, NZ etc and you see a different picture.

 

[MattyP]

It's not though is it. Where are all the reports of the Irish kicking off, the Swedish etc. It's not just the English but we have a serious problem with alcohol and violence. Our fans just seem to congregate in drunken mobs and antagonise others.

Mate of mine got tear gassed for singing the fields of athenry. There has been reports of trouble involving other teams supporters too, admittedly not on the scale of those reports involving England fans.

But what happened in Marseille was as much locals and Russians than it was England fans. I can't comment on Lille as I wasn't there. The vast majority of England fans were not drunken, just in high spirits, and the atmosphere was not antagonistic at all for the vast majority of the time.

 

[Danners9]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/20...o-2016-violence-fans-twitter?CMP=share_btn_tw

ah, the good old Forest Echo News. What a strange creation that thing is.

 

[tiger666]

Mate of mine got tear gassed for singing the fields of athenry. There has been reports of trouble involving other teams supporters too, admittedly not on the scale of those reports involving England fans.

But what happened in Marseille was as much locals and Russians than it was England fans. I can't comment on Lille as I wasn't there. The vast majority of England fans were not drunken, just in high spirits, and the atmosphere was not antagonistic at all for the vast majority of the time.

Ok. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. No one has said it's a majority.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

It's not though is it. Where are all the reports of the Irish kicking off, the Swedish etc. It's not just the English but we have a serious problem with alcohol and violence. Our fans just seem to congregate in drunken mobs and antagonise others.

Put it this way. There are plenty of occasions on the continent when you wouldn't want to be near a football stadium, due to the intense, often violent, meetings between bitter rivals, and of course there's the Old Firm rivalry a bit closer to home. I'm not trying to excuse or explain what's happening in France. The whole macho drinking/fighting BS baffles me as much as it disgusts me.

 

[Metalhead]

It's so depressing that this is the most active thread. Understandable but depressing.

 

[jurgen11]

Let's be honest about this whole thing, here's how I see it.

Dickheads from Russia have gone to France with the sole purpose of attacking rival fans, particularly the English, as they want to prove they are the hardest group of twats in the world.

Dickheads from England have retaliated, antagonised and been downright disrespectful to the French (chanting "you should have been at the Bataclan" and making romany children fight over pennies)

Dickheads from the French police have been overly heavy-handed with English fans, and not strong enough against the Russians, mainly due to them being ridiculously unprepared for the scenes we've seen.

All of these dickheads are doing their best to ruin it for the vast majority of fans who just want to have a good time and watch some football. Arrest and ban the whole lot of them and let everyone else get back to just enjoying the tournament.

Did they really chant that about the Bataclan? I am surprised Europe don't vote to throw us out let alone all this Brexit / Remain malarkey ! Shameful

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

What? With all the atrocities in the world and this traumatises you? Struggling to comprehend that.

It's distasteful but the video has (imo) little context, also you're making assumptions on the background of the children.

Arguably just feeding into your agenda that you clearly have to tarnish the English in France as the main cause of the unrest.

You are excusing England fans seeing begging romany children and instead of telling them to fuck off or just giving them cash, they toss coins and goad them into fighting for pennies.

I haven;t had a sheltered life. Only scum would do something like that and i would be more than happy to have put those wankers in the hospital myself.

 

[talkshowhost86]

No, though it's a different mind set. One respect where it's no different to football is that you're talking about a minority of fans who look to cause trouble.

I'd also say, though rugby has moved on a lot since we were growing up, that violence on the pitch was a million times worse than it's ever been in football which didn't exactly send out a good message, especially to kids.

This isn't an excuse but if you're a steel worker who works 50 hours a week and lives and breathes rugby as opposed to a barrister who has a interest in the game you're going to be looking at it in a different way. Especially if things get heated. You're upbringings are likely to be different and you might be more prone to lash out. Like i said this is no wxcuse as the majority of working class rugby and football fans just enjoy watching the sport they love but I really hate this English idea that rugby is so much more civilised than football. Try going to some grass roots rugby in other countries such as wales, NZ etc and you see a different picture.

I think that's a simplistic way of looking at it to a certain extent (for example barristers can be just as invested in rugby as any steel worker, and will often work similar hours), and I don't think all middle-class people are where they are simply because of upbringing.

Whichever sport it is though, if any parents see their 'kids' (because let's face it these man-children do act like kids) acting the way the idiot England fans have been, I hope they hang their heads in shame.

Incidentally, there doesn't seem to have been any issues with N.Ireland, Wales and Ireland so far. I wonder why that is compared to the English?

 

[Gassin's finest]

Sweet Jesus look at this shit!! These are fucking CHILDREN! by the looks of it itinerant gypsy or refugee CHILDREN being taunted and encouraged to fight for pennies by England fans!

I'm done ... this is too much. Absolutely sickening, i am genuinely shocked and a little bit traumatized by this tbh, i have a son about that age.

This shit genuinely makes me want to be done with football as a spectator sport, if this is the sort of **** that follows it.

 

[Riandor]

There's a lad, boozed up and stick to the rozzers culture that is positevely promoted in this country. Films, tv... We love a bit of the Ross kemp or Danny dyer.
Weekends are for getting smashed and bragging about it on a Monday at work, about how many pints, what birds or blokes and who nearly got done for what.

No, it's certainly not everyone, I'm not trying to generalise, but there is a large element of it and it's these types who are mostly happy to travel abroad to these football shindigs and end up getting caught up in this type of behaviour. In England the police would generally leave them be, let them act like twats and arrest a few proper nawty types, but abroad it's considered very poor behaviour and is stamped down upon harder than at home. Add the French mentality right now concerning security etc and you really are not just a twat, but a complete idiot and deserving of what you get IF you get involved in trouble.

The advice to the rest where possible, move on, find a quieter spot and just stay low and enjoy the football.

 

[montylynch]

Germany v Poland tonight........that should be nice and quiet.

 

[Riandor]

Germany v Poland tonight........that should be nice and quiet.

It's definitely a risk match and given there were already issues with Ukraine...
It's just not the same scale though, usually. Doesn't make it right, but let's face it, whose fans have been in trouble on a daily basis?

 

[nailsy]

You are excusing England fans seeing begging romany children and instead of telling them to fuck off or just giving them cash, they toss coins and goad them into fighting for pennies.

I haven;t had a sheltered life. Only scum would do something like that and i would be more than happy to have put those wankers in the hospital myself.

I'm not sure that would help our reputation for being hooligans.

 

[spursfan77]

Obviously it's not just English fans, but I do think we have more of a problem than most.

Not necessarily in the fighting part, but just in the way our fans seem to act generally when they go abroad.

It's just a much more tribal and aggressive way of 'supporting' a team, and I just personally find it pathetic.

It's the whole Brits abroad mentality multiplied because there's more of that type of person there.

 

[tiger666]

Ho ho

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36546183

 

[Dr Benson]

Having personally been out there myself, I can assure you that I played my tourist role pretty well and yet I still got tear gassed six times. My life away from football is hugely important to me and I have no intention of doing something stupid that means I have to give up my passport repeatedly, or not be able to do things I enjoy like going to a game of football. And yet I still got gassed, just for being there.

Yes there are some morons out there, but they are a tiny fraction compared to the genuine fans.

I`m sure you played your "tourist role" well. But some didn`t, right? I know people being jailed for a night or two just because the hung out with the wrong people (not related to football). It`s not always easy for the police to divide good guys from bad guys if they don`t know.

I`m sure you`re right, and I don`t have any real experience from this like you, but off course this wouldn`t happen if ALL the english behaved (and played their tourist role well, both for themselves, all footbal fans in general and their fellow english supporters).

I still havn`t heard about e.g. any swedes or icelandics being gassed, to put it that way..