ENIC...

[Archibald&Crooks]

Nah, mate. This isn't pertinent to the point. What shelfboy was talking about.......

I wasn't talking about what Shelfboy said, it's a sentence or two of what you said I responded to, that's all, just a small part of it that I disagreed with and look at the strife it stirred up

I blame you

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

You quoted me wrong I never said they pocket the money, instead I said they will take the money for Kane and son etc but get a lesser product it wasn't hard to understand mate.

Debatable!

The way you expressed what you were trying to say very much gave the impression that you were accusing ENIC of taking big money out of the club. What you actually wrote was:

while enic grab as much money as they can and replace with inferior talent

"ENIC grab as much money as they can" is a very loaded sentence. It seems designed to give precisely the impression that you say wasn't your intention. Perhaps it wasn't but you can't blame anyone for thinking that it was!

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I wasn't talking about what Shelfboy said, it's a sentence or two of what you said I responded to, that's all, just a small part of it that I disagreed with and look at the strife it stirred up

I blame you

It's a fair cop.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Didn’t back Poch, hired Mourinho, nuff said

 

[buckley]

For me the trouble is Mr Lewis for instance in a short space of time we could have signed Grealish / Dybala / Fernandes / by all known reports they were all willing to sign . Now I know the defenders of ENIC will come up with a multitude of reasons why they could not be signed. In my opinion the reality is all the transfers were about money and the man with the final word seemingly says NO.
If there was a real will to get these players they would have found away namely the money . They seem intent on the Dohertys of this world cheap to buy and may or may not come good I am sick of shopping at Tescos and the one time we went to Harrods so to speak we brought Ndombele and he is streets ahead of the rest of our midfield and he must be thinking "why did I sign for this lot "
This scattergun buy six players and hope some come good rather than buy one or two real quality that will almost certainly be good is for me the way forward .. Dreaming I know but that is not to say buying young cheap championship prospects would not work because that is what we used to do and it did not turn out too shabby . Lennon / Walker / Rose / Huddlestone / Dawson / to name but a few and all of them were a success to some degree but we have it seems turned our back on this way of operating .
As for Mourhino he is a bag of revels you dont know what you are getting game to game in regard team play .

 

[rossdapep]

Everyone weighing in on Jose but not many weighing in on the mainstay in all of this.

At the end of the season I want to see a certain someone give up the footballing side of things, hand over the keys, get in someone who can recruit well under constraints, someone who understands scouting and structure within a club, someone who can identify talent.

Everything else is in place, yet out set up is currently not befitting of this.

Do it now, whilst covid is effecting things, otherwise we are in for a period of staleness.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

For me the trouble is Mr Lewis for instance in a short space of time we could have signed Grealish / Dybala / Fernandes / by all known reports they were all willing to sign . Now I know the defenders of ENIC will come up with a multitude of reasons why they could not be signed. In my opinion the reality is all the transfers were about money and the man with the final word seemingly says NO.
If there was a real will to get these players they would have found away namely the money . They seem intent on the Dohertys of this world cheap to buy and may or may not come good I am sick of shopping at Tescos and the one time we went to Harrods so to speak we brought Ndombele and he is streets ahead of the rest of our midfield and he must be thinking "why did I sign for this lot "
This scattergun buy six players and hope some come good rather than buy one or two real quality that will almost certainly be good is for me the way forward .. Dreaming I know but that is not to say buying young cheap championship prospects would not work because that is what we used to do and it did not turn out too shabby . Lennon / Walker / Rose / Huddlestone / Dawson / to name but a few and all of them were a success to some degree but we have it seems turned our back on this way of operating .
As for Mourhino he is a bag of revels you dont know what you are getting game to game in regard team play .

I'm not at all sure that we should concentrate on buying just expensive players. That sort of transfer is generally where we have most come unstuck.

Nor am I at all sure about Ndombele being "streets ahead of the rest of our midfield". At the very least, it is highly debatable. Hojbjerg has been among our best performing and most consistent players this season.

As to Grealish, Dybala and Fernandes, you are right that we can cite reasons why none of those transfers happened. Very valid reasons at that.

Grealish was never a priority. Poch wasn't especially keen but nor was he wholly opposed. Grealish would have represented a typically opportunistic gamble by Spurs but was never a key target. So it's hardly surprising that Levy didn't push the boat out to get him. Nevertheless, a deal was imminent before Villa's takeover. With hindsight, of course, it was a big mistake not to go all out for him. But that's not entirely on Levy.

The Dybala deal was thwarted by contractual complications that also defeated Man Utd. Which is telling.

It is well documented that Fernandes was always a back up option if we failed to secure Poch's prime target - Gio Lo Celso. Once the latter was signed, all interest in Fernandes was dropped. Again, with hindsight, Fernandes might have been the better option - even if for no other reason than that he doesn't appear to be permanently injured. But we don't work with the benefit of hindsight. All Levy could have done at the time was to back Poch's choice.

 

[hellava_tough]

Everyone weighing in on Jose but not many weighing in on the mainstay in all of this.

At the end of the season I want to see a certain someone give up the footballing side of things, hand over the keys, get in someone who can recruit well under constraints, someone who understands scouting and structure within a club, someone who can identify talent.

Everything else is in place, yet out set up is currently not befitting of this.

Do it now, whilst covid is effecting things, otherwise we are in for a period of staleness.

Basically this.

This is how I'd do it:

1) Create a philosophy for the team and how they should be playing. It can literally be anything and the sky is the limit. The cups you want to win and the future status of the club in world football should be defined. Personally, I want us to be the biggest and most successful club on planet earth.

2) To achieve said plan list the player positions and the types of players, with their attributes, which we will need to achieve the plan above.

3) Now we know what we want to achieve and the style of football and the types of players needed, EVERYTHING in the club should flow from there.

4) Get in a General Manager or Dof who will direct operations, update the recruitment model and hire a coach who knows that the club way is bigger than him. If he agrees to that, then great; we're all headed in the same direction.

5) Recruitment going forward should now, hopefully, be more focused because it's following a template/plan. We also need to factor in selling our biggest players at exactly the right time to maximize their value and reinvest wisely, using the club philosophy as a guide.

6) If a coach doesn't achieve what we want, get another in who likewise, understands where the club wants to be.

All of this creates an ambitious environment and continuity between coaches and player squads; like for like replacements as the seasons go by.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Basically this.

This is how I'd do it:

1) Create a philosophy for the team and how they should be playing. It can literally be anything and the sky is the limit. The cups you want to win and the future status of the club in world football should be defined. Personally, I want us to be the biggest and most successful club on planet earth.

2) To achieve said plan list the player positions and the types of players, with their attributes, which we will need to achieve the plan above.

3) Now we know what we want to achieve and the style of football and the types of players needed, EVERYTHING in the club should flow from there.

4) Get in a General Manager or Dof who will direct operations, update the recruitment model and hire a coach who knows that the club way is bigger than him. If he agrees to that, then great; we're all headed in the same direction.

5) Recruitment going forward should now, hopefully, be more focused because it's following a template/plan. We also need to factor in selling our biggest players at exactly the right time to maximize their value and reinvest wisely, using the club philosophy as a guide.

6) If a coach doesn't achieve what we want, get another in who likewise, understands where the club wants to be.

All of this creates an ambitious environment and continuity between coaches and player squads; like for like replacements as the seasons go by.

Saved me typing exactly the same! Top post.

We've got a world class stadium and world class training ground. This now needs to be matched by having a truly performance management driven football operations model that is consistent and coherent. By having clear football operational parameters, recruitment would be significantly easier and more likely yield success in the long run.

What I see on the footballing side atm is a haphazard mish mash of players, many of whom do not fit into an effective way of playing. We have too many players who just aren't very good on the ball and who do not have the technical ability to hurt the opposition consistently. By my reckoning we have the makings of an excellent first team:

-----------------------VACANT (GK)-------------------------------
Tanganga--------VACANT (CB)---------VACANT (CB)-------------Reguiilon
------------------Hojbjerg-----------Ndombele------------
-------------------------Lo Celso---------------------------
----VACANT (RWF)-----------Kane----------------Son

There are a number of players who are realistic for us to bring in that would bolster the first team and be technically more suited to what we are going to achieve. My picks would be:

GK - Maignan (or Pope, but the British premium would probably be too much)
CB - Skriniar, M. Docoure
CB - Militao, White
RWF - Leon Bailey

Then we have the likes of Skipp, Sessegnon, Cirkhin, Rodon, White etc all to be bloodied into the first team as part of a succession plan/challenge to the incumbents.

Next, we go and buy players with the attributes we need...the likes of Zakaria, Soumare, Sangare, Daka, Leao, Thuram, Plea etc.. to augment the squad.

The above are just examples of who Id like to see and are all open to debate of course, but the more salient point is we need to have a plan and stick to it.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Saved me typing exactly the same! Top post.

We've got a world class stadium and world class training ground. This now needs to be matched by having a truly performance management driven football operations model that is consistent and coherent. By having clear football operational parameters, recruitment would be significantly easier and more likely yield success in the long run.

What I see on the footballing side atm is a haphazard mish mash of players, many of whom do not fit into an effective way of playing. We have too many players who just aren't very good on the ball and who do not have the technical ability to hurt the opposition consistently. By my reckoning we have the makings of an excellent first team:

-----------------------VACANT (GK)-------------------------------
Tanganga--------VACANT (CB)---------VACANT (CB)-------------Reguiilon
------------------Hojbjerg-----------Ndombele------------
-------------------------Lo Celso---------------------------
----VACANT (RWF)-----------Kane----------------Son

There are a number of players who are realistic for us to bring in that would bolster the first team and be technically more suited to what we are going to achieve. My picks would be:

GK - Maignan (or Pope, but the British premium would probably be too much)
CB - Skriniar, M. Docoure
CB - Militao, White
RWF - Leon Bailey

Then we have the likes of Skipp, Sessegnon, Cirkhin, Rodon, White etc all to be bloodied into the first team as part of a succession plan/challenge to the incumbents.

Next, we go and buy players with the attributes we need...the likes of Zakaria, Soumare, Sangare, Daka, Leao, Thuram, Plea etc.. to augment the squad.

The above are just examples of who Id like to see and are all open to debate of course, but the more salient point is we need to have a plan and stick to it.

I think we need to recruit young English players. It may not be exciting but in the long term will be good for the Club.

The likes of Aarons, White, Cantwell, Toney.

 

[Metalhead]

Saved me typing exactly the same! Top post.

We've got a world class stadium and world class training ground. This now needs to be matched by having a truly performance management driven football operations model that is consistent and coherent. By having clear football operational parameters, recruitment would be significantly easier and more likely yield success in the long run.

What I see on the footballing side atm is a haphazard mish mash of players, many of whom do not fit into an effective way of playing. We have too many players who just aren't very good on the ball and who do not have the technical ability to hurt the opposition consistently. By my reckoning we have the makings of an excellent first team:

-----------------------VACANT (GK)-------------------------------
Tanganga--------VACANT (CB)---------VACANT (CB)-------------Reguiilon
------------------Hojbjerg-----------Ndombele------------
-------------------------Lo Celso---------------------------
----VACANT (RWF)-----------Kane----------------Son

There are a number of players who are realistic for us to bring in that would bolster the first team and be technically more suited to what we are going to achieve. My picks would be:

GK - Maignan (or Pope, but the British premium would probably be too much)
CB - Skriniar, M. Docoure
CB - Militao, White
RWF - Leon Bailey

Then we have the likes of Skipp, Sessegnon, Cirkhin, Rodon, White etc all to be bloodied into the first team as part of a succession plan/challenge to the incumbents.

Next, we go and buy players with the attributes we need...the likes of Zakaria, Soumare, Sangare, Daka, Leao, Thuram, Plea etc.. to augment the squad.

The above are just examples of who Id like to see and are all open to debate of course, but the more salient point is we need to have a plan and stick to it.

It's nice to see someone looking at this from a holistic perspective.

 

[LeParisien]

I think we need to recruit young English players. It may not be exciting but in the long term will be good for the Club.

The likes of Aarons, White, Cantwell, Toney.

So you’d like us to become Norwich.

 

[Metalhead]

I think we need to recruit young English players. It may not be exciting but in the long term will be good for the Club.

The likes of Aarons, White, Cantwell, Toney.

This was definitely something that DL was looking to do about 15 years ago. I'm pretty sure that he was clear about going in that direction. TBF, if you can think of an approach then it has been pursued before at the club.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I think we need to recruit young English players. It may not be exciting but in the long term will be good for the Club.

The likes of Aarons, White, Cantwell, Toney.

I disagree. Football is a global game and we need players with footballing ATTRIBUTES not simply players based on nationality. Moreover, such English players are significantly more expensive.

If we are serious about changing the mentality at the club, we fans probably need to be a little less parochial in our views also.

 

[spursfan77]

So our relative success in recent years must have played some part in keeping Kane through his peak years?

After the end of this season he'll be 28 and have 3 years left on his contract. I would happily lay some money down right now saying he'll still be with us next season. After that, it's getting to the point where those clubs that can afford him have up and coming young superstars (such as Haaland and Mbappé now) in their sights, but if he's not signing a new contract then Levy might look to sell.

Son I can see going this summer if he doesn't sign. It would be bad, but there will be opportunities to be had with the money.

They‘ll both be here next season. Neither will leave. Due to the pandemic it is the worst summer in transfer history to make a £100m move, which is the minimum we would ask for both players. Son isn’t refusing to sign is he, he has 3 years left, from what I have read it is the club who put a stop to negotiations because they want to be in a stronger position financially to reward him with a better contract. That’s the feeling I’m getting from reports.

 

[shelfboy68]

They‘ll both be here next season. Neither will leave. Due to the pandemic it is the worst summer in transfer history to make a £100m move, which is the minimum we would ask for both players. Son isn’t refusing to sign is he, he has 3 years left, from what I have read it is the club who put a stop to negotiations because they want to be in a stronger position financially to reward him with a better contract. That’s the feeling I’m getting from reports.

Ask yourself whether they want their best years at a club that is now mid table which is the reality facing them and us as a club.
They deserve to be at challenging clubs which we are most certainly are not, none of us can have hard feelings towards them if they want out at some point.

 

[spursfan77]

Ask yourself whether they want their best years at a club that is now mid table which is the reality facing them and us as a club.
They deserve to be at challenging clubs which we are most certainly are not, none of us can have hard feelings towards them if they want out at some point.

Do they? I mean, I deserve to support a team that’s better than it is, but we are where we are. I won’t have hard feelings towards them if they leave with dignity, it’s what happens. They won’t be going anywhere for now anyway, so no point people getting their knickers in a twist about it.

 

[Trees]

They‘ll both be here next season. Neither will leave. Due to the pandemic it is the worst summer in transfer history to make a £100m move, which is the minimum we would ask for both players. Son isn’t refusing to sign is he, he has 3 years left, from what I have read it is the club who put a stop to negotiations because they want to be in a stronger position financially to reward him with a better contract. That’s the feeling I’m getting from reports.

Son - 2 years left.

 

[shelfboy68]

Do they? I mean, I deserve to support a team that’s better than it is, but we are where we are. I won’t have hard feelings towards them if they leave with dignity, it’s what happens. They won’t be going anywhere for now anyway, so no point people getting their knickers in a twist about it.

As fan's we are stuck with this shit but players don't have that emotional attachment, let's see what happens in the summer especially with any potential contract talks.

 

[razzmaster]

Basically this.

This is how I'd do it:

1) Create a philosophy for the team and how they should be playing. It can literally be anything and the sky is the limit. The cups you want to win and the future status of the club in world football should be defined. Personally, I want us to be the biggest and most successful club on planet earth.

2) To achieve said plan list the player positions and the types of players, with their attributes, which we will need to achieve the plan above.

3) Now we know what we want to achieve and the style of football and the types of players needed, EVERYTHING in the club should flow from there.

4) Get in a General Manager or Dof who will direct operations, update the recruitment model and hire a coach who knows that the club way is bigger than him. If he agrees to that, then great; we're all headed in the same direction.

5) Recruitment going forward should now, hopefully, be more focused because it's following a template/plan. We also need to factor in selling our biggest players at exactly the right time to maximize their value and reinvest wisely, using the club philosophy as a guide.

6) If a coach doesn't achieve what we want, get another in who likewise, understands where the club wants to be.

All of this creates an ambitious environment and continuity between coaches and player squads; like for like replacements as the seasons go by.

This is such a sensible post and shows how easy football should be. For some reason it gets over complicated and becomes very hit and miss.

Nothing on your list is that hard to achieve and essentially we would be copying Brentford's model but with bigger ambitions. Or Dortmund or Lille to a degree as well.