ENIC...

[yankspurs]

I miss the optimism of the Cain Hoy rumors. Everything about this club the last few years has been disastrous. No reason for optimism around the club with this ownership now. They’ve got to go. The club needs a new dawn. ENIC has become a black cloud over it wanting to extract more money, give off the aura they are interested in competing but in actuality are perfectly happy in this endless abyss they drove us into. A manager isnt the main issue with this club. Ownership is. Levy is lost when it comes to the actual game but doesn’t hire football people. The money man HATES the game & refuses to invest in it. It’s a recipe for disaster.

 

[shelfboy68]

I miss the optimism of the Cain Hoy rumors. Everything about this club the last few years has been disastrous. No reason for optimism around the club with this ownership now. They’ve got to go. The club needs a new dawn. ENIC has become a black cloud over it wanting to extract more money, give off the aura they are interested in competing but in actuality are perfectly happy in this endless abyss they drove us into. A manager isnt the main issue with this club. Ownership is. Levy is lost when it comes to the actual game but doesn’t hire football people. The money man HATES the game & refuses to invest in it. It’s a recipe for disaster.

They won't go until they can get 6 billion for the club and get all of silicone valley.

 

[leelee]

Disagree. There are a few people in the stadium development threads who clearly know their stuff. They confirmed it wasn't easy and the end result is arguably the best stadium in Europe.

But the game is about Glory, not the best stadium in Europe. Why invest a billion in the stadium when we have no quality RB, a liability of a CB in Sanchez, and a piss poor LB cover that has zero pace. Then we spend 15m on a kid from Swansea when the manager wanted the 60m CB from Inter.

Penny pinching on the team that will bring the glory while investing big in a stadium that will bring... profit.

 

[dontcallme]

But the game is about Glory, not the best stadium in Europe. Why invest a billion in the stadium when we have no quality RB, a liability of a CB in Sanchez, and a piss poor LB cover that has zero pace. Then we spend 15m on a kid from Swansea when the manager wanted the 60m CB from Inter.

Penny pinching on the team that will bring the glory while investing big in a stadium that will bring... profit.

Seriously? You can't see the correlation between investing in infrastructure that will increase our turnover and additional spending? Have you not noticed that as our turnover has gone up so has our spending on things like wages?

You are suggesting we put all our money into the first team. This has been proven time and again when done outside your means it fails.

That £60m centre back didn't go anywhere else. Maybe he wasn't as available as you think.

 

[leelee]

Seriously? You can't see the correlation between investing in infrastructure that will increase our turnover and additional spending? Have you not noticed that as our turnover has gone up so has our spending on things like wages?

You are suggesting we put all our money into the first team. This has been proven time and again when done outside your means it fails.

That £60m centre back didn't go anywhere else. Maybe he wasn't as available as you think.

The stadium didn't have to cost a billion when our team hasn't won a meaningful trophy for 30 years!!

Why have the best stadium in Europe when the team that plays there isn't even a top team anymore.

Jose, Poch, Harry even bloody Pep. It doesn't matter. We won't win a meaningful trophy because the players aren't good enough. We have 4 or 5 top quality at best. The team is craving serious investment.

 

[dontcallme]

The stadium didn't have to cost a billion when our team hasn't won a meaningful trophy for 30 years!!

Why have the best stadium in Europe when the team that plays there isn't even a top team anymore.

Jose, Poch, Harry even bloody Pep. It doesn't matter. We won't win a meaningful trophy because the players aren't good enough. We have 4 or 5 top quality at best. The team is craving serious investment.

So you wanted us to build a smaller stadium because we're not top yet? I feel your logic is deeply lacking here.

If there was no pandemic we'd already be seeing a huge rise in our turnover. Why you wouldn't want that is beyond me. The idea that we would have bought Skriniar if we'd built a smaller stadium just doesn't add up.

 

[buckley]

So for years we have what is arguably almost nil net spend . SO the new stadium generates all this money and we are able to net spend lets say a 100 million pound a year it would still take years to catch up with the uber rich spenders and that is why my ambition is to be able to watch football; that I enjoy watching and a trophy would be nice but not my first ambition . I do not fancy paying my big bucks to watch this dross Jose is serving up and has done the same at his last two clubs thats why they got rid . For some reason there are plenty that want to stay with Jose all I can say is " are you mad "

 

[fortworthspur]

whatever you think of Levy he has laid the groundwork for a bright future with the stadium and a squad, while underachieving, that is miles ahead of what we had 15 years ago. Its just not happening fast enough for some.

 

[shelfboy68]

whatever you think of Levy he has laid the groundwork for a bright future with the stadium and a squad, while underachieving, that is miles ahead of what we had 15 years ago. Its just not happening fast enough for some.

How fast do you think this should happen?

 

[jurgen]

15 years ago we finished 5th two seasons in a row, and barring a miracle we won't achieve better in Mourinho's first two seasons, and we seem to be heading for our worst consecutive league finishes for maybe a decade. So unfortunately our trajectory is in a backwards direction, let alone staying stationary. Which is really problematic, given, as you say, we have a squad with some players a level above those we had in the past.

I don't believe we'll have a bright future in any arena other than a commercial one until Levy actually puts a proper footballing infrastructure in place, starting by hiring a recruitment director with some vision who isn't a lackey.

 

[fortworthspur]

How fast do you think this should happen?

who am I to say? Im not being a smart-ass, I really dont know. Im just saying without the investment ENIC has made we might have ended up like Fulham playing in an antiquated small stadium and struggling for relevance.

 

[shelfboy68]

who am I to say? Im not being a smart-ass, I really dont know. Im just saying without the investment ENIC has made we might have ended up like Fulham playing in an antiquated small stadium and struggling for relevance.

I respect your opinion but in all honesty that was never going to happen to us, yes we know about covid etc but let's face it under Enics leadership the only thing we can consistently win is the bank balance trophy.

 

[fortworthspur]

Im not saying Levy has been perfect. His penny pinching has cost us a few transfers and there is no question we are paying for that 18 month period of no new players.

 

[robin09]

I don't get the ENIC out stuff. When we're doing well, this all disappears. When the team is doing shit, it's suddenly time to change. Surely ENIC out when we were killing it in the last year at WHL, and in our CL run too right?

We hired the most successful manager in the world, and paid him a fortune. Hardly a show of lack of ambition. It hasn't worked, we move on.

Grasping at straws and looking for a scapegoat is what the ENIC out stuff smells like.

 

[fortworthspur]

I don't get the ENIC out stuff. When we're doing well, this all disappears. When the team is doing shit, it's suddenly time to change. Surely ENIC out when we were killing it in the last year at WHL, and in our CL run too right?

We hired the most successful manager in the world, and paid him a fortune. Hardly a show of lack of ambition. It hasn't worked, we move on.

Grasping at straws and looking for a scapegoat is what the ENIC out stuff smells like.

cant really fire the owners, either. all that United anger at the Glazers comes to mind.

 

[Saoirse]

But the game is about Glory, not the best stadium in Europe. Why invest a billion in the stadium when we have no quality RB, a liability of a CB in Sanchez, and a piss poor LB cover that has zero pace. Then we spend 15m on a kid from Swansea when the manager wanted the 60m CB from Inter.

Penny pinching on the team that will bring the glory while investing big in a stadium that will bring... profit.

Mate, it's seriously not complicated. If we were permanently at WHL, we wouldn't be getting the £15m CB, or the £60m CB, or the likes of Ndombele either on a regular basis. We probably wouldn't be able to keep the likes of Kane on £200k per week contracts either. The revenue gain from the groun post-Covid is going to be far higher than the debt repayments i.e. it enables us to spend more, not less.

 

[Shadydan]

BsofL/ Enic have entered the chat

Faniel Levy?

 

[rossdapep]

I don't get the ENIC out stuff. When we're doing well, this all disappears. When the team is doing shit, it's suddenly time to change. Surely ENIC out when we were killing it in the last year at WHL, and in our CL run too right?

We hired the most successful manager in the world, and paid him a fortune. Hardly a show of lack of ambition. It hasn't worked, we move on.

Grasping at straws and looking for a scapegoat is what the ENIC out stuff smells like.

Some have criticised them even when we have been doing well. Why?

Because there is always a feeling that the club haven't been prepared to take push the boat out to give us a greater chance of success.

When we were pushing Chelsea, it was quite clear that City and Liverpool were starting to get their house in order.

We sold Kyle Walker to city and Liverpool were making signings that would have been welcomed at the club.

In the meantime we are signing crap like Janssen, Nkodou and Sissoko.

Other than possibly Sanchez, we didn't sign a really highly rated player that may kick us on. It was either cheap gambles that were hardly the best around (Nkoudou, Gazzaniga, Janssen) or players unwanted elsewhere (Lucas, Aurier, Sissoko).

None of those signings screamed 'intent', mostly players who'd done ok but nothing special in their respective leagues. Meanwhile our rivals, and even clubs like Leicester, were making smart signings, focusing on solid English talent and players doing well at lowere level PL clubs.

People were demanding it at the time because they could see what we were doing wasn't sustainable.

 

[robin09]

BsofL/ Enic have entered the chat

I'd put myself down as someone who rolls his eyes every few years when we go through a shit spell and the ENIC/Levy out brigade start knee jerking all over the place. Only to disappear again when things look rosier.

Basically, we could have invested more when we were doing well under Poch. We didn't, that was an opportunity missed to taste actual success. Levy/ENIC are probably mostly responsible for that, maybe Poch was slightly. Maybe the recruitment department were, I don't know.

But is that really the strongest case against them? Since then we've invested fairly ambitiously, and we haven't sold our best players. The squad needs a revamp, Jose needs to be replaced, and hopefully things will look up again.

If Levy/ENIC out means 'I want arab oil money and fantasy football signings', then fair enough. That's something Levy can't possibly give you. But aside from that, I genuinely don't know what people think alternate 'normal' owners, like at all the other clubs around us, would help us achieve, that Levy/ENIC haven't.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

I'd put myself down as someone who rolls his eyes every few years when we go through a shit spell and the ENIC/Levy out brigade start knee jerking all over the place. Only to disappear again when things look rosier.

Basically, we could have invested more when we were doing well under Poch. We didn't, that was an opportunity missed to taste actual success. Levy/ENIC are probably mostly responsible for that, maybe Poch was slightly. Maybe the recruitment department were, I don't know.

But is that really the strongest case against them? Since then we've invested fairly ambitiously, and we haven't sold our best players. The squad needs a revamp, Jose needs to be replaced, and hopefully things will look up again.

If Levy/ENIC out means 'I want arab oil money and fantasy football signings', then fair enough. That's something Levy can't possibly give you. But aside from that, I genuinely don't know what people think alternate 'normal' owners, like at all the other clubs around us, would help us achieve, that Levy/ENIC haven't.

Mate this is just BS, the anti-ENIC is often belittled to just this, akin to some spoilt kid wanting his daddy to buy him the most expensive toy, if people actually listen it isn’t that, like others have said ENIC spent big in the summer, I wish that in itself was the fix, but 20 years later we seem to have no coherent recruitment plan, we never strike whilst the iron us hot missing multiple opportunities at success, usually getting the checkbook when our backs are to the wall and lastly most importantly if ENIC showed half the ambition on the pitch as they showed of it nobody could complain, there priority isn’t or never has been on field success, that is far too risky and I as a paying fan want that as the priority, no more excuses, 20 years of excuses...