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am_yisrael_chai

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No it was guesswork, well guessed mate....have a biscuit.

In reality we have a squad of very high quality that we don't pay enough for, I'd hope that the increased revenue generated by higher gate receipts goes towards paying our best players what they're worth, so they won't be tempted by the money they could be earning elsewhere.

If this doesn't happen then questions should definitely be asked of Levy.
I have absolutely no problem with the way the pricing of the new stadium will work out for fans, as long it's going toward tying down our prize assets, there's a hell of a lot of moaning but as fans we can't have it both ways.
Shame you can’t bring yourself to apologise but hey ho.

As I said earlier in the thread I’m not anti-Levy but as a business if you are going to charge your customers the highest prices then you better deliver the best product. There can be no more excuses about lack of financial firepower. As fans we deserve to see the world’s finest players at the new stadium. No more Sissoko, we should be thinking top level quality from now on.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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So now that the season ticket prices have been published what do you have to say ? What you described as guess work was reasonable deductive reasoning that proved to be spot on, we have the most expensive season tickets in the league.

They are a business after all, as I said a few posts back.

People will hark back to London prices and such. But why is Spurs the 6th financially biggest and probably 5th best supported club charging the most for season tickets?

Interesting to see how people react, and how the atmosphere will change. I imagine being a well run club they will have analysed the pricing structure and people will pay it.

But if they once stopped to think about it, a price freeze would have been a nice gesture to the fans and would also have represented good PR.

However it is clear they are aiming for the whole 'business' experience like the Emirates did.

Just out of interest how much is a season ticket in a decent area of the stadium?
 

Lilbaz

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Shame you can’t bring yourself to apologise but hey ho.

As I said earlier in the thread I’m not anti-Levy but as a business if you are going to charge your customers the highest prices then you better deliver the best product. There can be no more excuses about lack of financial firepower. As fans we deserve to see the world’s finest players at the new stadium. No more Sissoko, we should be thinking top level quality from now on.

Not how it works though. It should do but doesn't.
The club (most clubs) will charge what they think will maximise matchday income. Not what they think is fair.
 

Gb160

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Shame you can’t bring yourself to apologise but hey ho.

As I said earlier in the thread I’m not anti-Levy but as a business if you are going to charge your customers the highest prices then you better deliver the best product. There can be no more excuses about lack of financial firepower. As fans we deserve to see the world’s finest players at the new stadium. No more Sissoko, we should be thinking top level quality from now on.
Why would I apologise? You wanted to have a discussion about something that hadn't yet occurred, now it has, let's discuss it.

I'm not the kind that will blindly back Levy no matter what he does, he's made a bold move by hiking the prices, and I'll happily pay it for at least the next season, but if we don't see significant new contracts for our prize assets, and have another season of story after story about our players leaving for cash/trophies on offer elsewhere, then I'm not sure how long I'll do it for.

Match day revenue is only one revenue stream though, so I'm not suddenly expecting the worlds best players to rock up for the stadium opening, but it's over to Levy now as far as I'm concerned, we the fans will be doing our bit, he's now gotta do the rest.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Why would I apologise? You wanted to have a discussion about something that hadn't yet occurred, now it has, let's discuss it.

I'm not the kind that will blindly back Levy no matter what he does, he's made a bold move by hiking the prices, and I'll happily pay it for at least the next season, but if we don't see significant new contracts for our prize assets, and have another season of story after story about our players leaving for cash/trophies on offer elsewhere, then I'm not sure how long I'll do it for.

Match day revenue is only one revenue stream though, so I'm not suddenly expecting the worlds best players to rock up for the stadium opening, but it's over to Levy now as far as I'm concerned, we the fans will be doing our bit, he's now gotta do the rest.
I have higher expectations than you. I don’t expect us to compete with the doped clubs - Citeh and Chelski - or United but we should be competitive with Pool and the goons. Match day revenue is only one stream but the new stadium is going to have a big impact on sponsorship, I would guess particularly in the US given the NFL tie up. The only revenue stream where we will be behind is the commercial revenues where we need a bigger global fan base but that correlates directly to on field success and the profile of our players. Both of these suggest we need real quality on the pitch. I’m not saying we don’t have it already but the days of signing players like Llorente and GKN need to be well and truly behind us. The stadium and everything that comes with it financially is a game changer. I think Levy gets it because Poch has said several times that the expectation was only to challenge for the title and CL once we got into the new stadium and he isn’t an idiot so presumably Levy has told him that he will be giving him the tools on the pitch. This summer will be the acid test, will Levy pay our top players market rates and will we recruit top draw quality ? Anything less and as season ticket holders we will have every right to be hugely aggrieved.
 

Saoirse

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Think they have made a mistake with the season ticket prices. They will have people working out the prices through how much demand they have seen. But next season is a one off (being a new stadium that everyone is excited about) and it doesn't do well to alienate long term supporters for a quick cash in.
Unless, as I suspect, a quick cash-in is exactly what ENIC have in store for the club once the stadium's up and running.
 

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With those prices I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bale announced to try and get everyone onside....
 

Lilbaz

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Unless, as I suspect, a quick cash-in is exactly what ENIC have in store for the club once the stadium's up and running.

Possibility. But we'd cost well over £1bn. Then going on other clubs spending another couple hundred mil to challenge city or utd long term.
Who would go for us? Especially with the rest of the world thinking we are a jewish club (meaning it might cut out any arab investment).
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Possibility. But we'd cost well over £1bn. Then going on other clubs spending another couple hundred mil to challenge city or utd long term.
Who would go for us? Especially with the rest of the world thinking we are a jewish club (meaning it might cut out any arab investment).
We are being fattened up for a sale to a US company, hence the abortive discussions with Cain Hoy. Better than petro dollars but it really scares me because it will almost certainly come with Glazer style financial engineering.
 

whitelanefever

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Unless, as I suspect, a quick cash-in is exactly what ENIC have in store for the club once the stadium's up and running.
That's what I think, maybe stick around for few seasons to admire the stadium then start looking for buyers
 

Saoirse

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That's what I think, maybe stick around for few seasons to admire the stadium then start looking for buyers
I wouldn't stick around if I were them. If we finish 6th and are trying to charge that money for Europa League football, let alone if the likes of Dele and Poche leave, it's not exactly going to increase the value. The only thing that would do so substantially would be the TV rights bubble growing (but it could equally burst), or an NFL franchise (which is very long-term and therefore increases the chances of one of the other risks coming to fruition anyway in that time). They're not sentimental types and this certainly seems like a high point to sell at. Top four this season and selling out the season tickets without undue drama would be the last hurdles for them.
 

whitelanefever

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I wouldn't stick around if I were them. If we finish 6th and are trying to charge that money for Europa League football, let alone if the likes of Dele and Poche leave, it's not exactly going to increase the value. The only thing that would do so substantially would be the TV rights bubble growing (but it could equally burst), or an NFL franchise (which is very long-term and therefore increases the chances of one of the other risks coming to fruition anyway in that time). They're not sentimental types and this certainly seems like a high point to sell at. Top four this season and selling out the season tickets without undue drama would be the last hurdles for them.
I think most top clubs know a breakaway European lg will happen eventually, so if their value on club is met I think your right sentiment won't come into it & they'll sell. I just think they will do their due diligence on potential takeovers & that will take time to find right buyer
 

Lilbaz

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I wouldn't stick around if I were them. If we finish 6th and are trying to charge that money for Europa League football, let alone if the likes of Dele and Poche leave, it's not exactly going to increase the value. The only thing that would do so substantially would be the TV rights bubble growing (but it could equally burst), or an NFL franchise (which is very long-term and therefore increases the chances of one of the other risks coming to fruition anyway in that time). They're not sentimental types and this certainly seems like a high point to sell at. Top four this season and selling out the season tickets without undue drama would be the last hurdles for them.

You mention an nfl franchise and it was rumoured that lewis has wanted to buy one. Rumour though.

I know a lot of fans don't like him and he has made mistakes but i'd be really sad to see levy go if we did sell.
 

Lilbaz

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I think most top clubs know a breakaway European lg will happen eventually, so if their value on club is met I think your right sentiment won't come into it & they'll sell. I just think they will do their due diligence on potential takeovers & that will take time to find right buyer

I don't think a breakaway league will happen. Uefa with the new ffp 2.0 have been in heavy discussions with th eu about the sustainability of football in europe. We'll know more at the end of may.
 

whitelanefever

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I don't think a breakaway league will happen. Uefa with the new ffp 2.0 have been in heavy discussions with th eu about the sustainability of football in europe. We'll know more at the end of may.
It will happen eventually toI many top clubs pushing for it.. Real, Barca PSG, Utd Chelsea have regular meetings about it..I'd guess again 2030 PL will well be a thing of the distant past
 

Saoirse

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I think most top clubs know a breakaway European lg will happen eventually, so if their value on club is met I think your right sentiment won't come into it & they'll sell. I just think they will do their due diligence on potential takeovers & that will take time to find right buyer

Of course, no guarantee it would be immediate, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're looking for potential buyers already (which may be tied in to the naming rights too).

You mention an nfl franchise and it was rumoured that lewis has wanted to buy one. Rumour though.

I know a lot of fans don't like him and he has made mistakes but i'd be really sad to see levy go if we did sell.

He's far from the only one to be rumoured though. I too would be sad to see Levy go - I think he's generally done very well and I wouldn't be sad if Lewis bought a franchise and ENIC kept us on.
 

Saoirse

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It will happen eventually toI many top clubs pushing for it.. Real, Barca PSG, Utd Chelsea have regular meetings about it..I'd guess again 2030 PL will well be a thing of the distant past
Football without the fans is nothing, and I'm not sure how many would go along with the plan these executives are dreaming of. Chelsea fans may not like to admit it for instance, but enjoy playing us twice a season much more than they'd enjoy play Borussia Dortmund.
 

Lilbaz

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It will happen eventually toI many top clubs pushing for it.. Real, Barca PSG, Utd Chelsea have regular meetings about it..I'd guess again 2030 PL will well be a thing of the distant past

When la liga wanted to create a more equal tv deal the spanish government had to step in to enforce it. No club could earn less from a new tv deal so it will take a few years to filter through but the government were behind keeping the smaller teams alive.
Same in italy.

If national governments and the eu say that the top clubs can't form their own league, they can't.
 

whitelanefever

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When la liga wanted to create a more equal tv deal the spanish government had to step in to enforce it. No club could earn less from a new tv deal so it will take a few years to filter through but the government were behind keeping the smaller teams alive.
Same in italy.

If national governments and the eu say that the top clubs can't form their own league, they can't.
If those clubs form their own governing body nothing can stop them..governments & eu will have no say
 
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