ENIC...

[Lilbaz]

If those clubs form their own governing body nothing can stop them..governments & eu will have no say

Ofcourse they can. They make the rules and laws.

Don't get me wrong their may well be a break away league, it's just my opinion that i don't think there will be.

But the governments are in charge. All they need to do is ban televising it or sponsoring it (tobacco?). A million things. I doubt it will come to that ever but they have the power.

 

[Saoirse]

It will be interesting to see how much the nfl tickets will be.

 

[whitelanefever]

Ofcourse they can. They make the rules and laws.

Don't get me wrong their may well be a break away league, it's just my opinion that i don't think there will be.

But the governments are in charge. All they need to do is ban televising it or sponsoring it (tobacco?). A million things. I doubt it will come to that ever but they have the power.

If clubs decide to leave their domestic lg governments can't stop them & as long as they are breaking no laws you can't stop companies from sponsoring.. & company has right to earn under international law.. It will have obstacles like Uefa banning players from their competitions but I think money will talk eventually & current layout of CL is not what top clubs want..they want to play top teams wk in wk out not head off to arsehole of Bulgaria.. personally I think you can't stop progress & it's only a matter of time but we'll see

 

[Lilbaz]

If clubs decide to leave their domestic lg governments can't stop them & as long as they are breaking no laws you can't stop companies from sponsoring.. & company has right to earn under international law.. It will have obstacles like Uefa banning players from their competitions but I think money will talk eventually & current layout of CL is not what top clubs want..they want to play top teams wk in wk out not head off to arsehole of Bulgaria.. personally I think you can't stop progress & it's only a matter of time but we'll see

That's what i'm saying. Uefa are in talks to change the laws so that ffp 2.0 can't be challenged.

 

[Lilbaz]

The british government made it that 12 events had to be shown on terrestrial tv. Fa cup, grand national, olympics etc...

The eu could do the same.

Again whether it comes to that i doubt it.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

It will be interesting to see how much the nfl tickets will be.

These are Wembley Prices for next season - I would expect a similar structure:

How much will they cost?
Pricing for the Wembley games was confirmed on January 19.

Level 2 club seating (One game - both games)

• Premium Sideline Central: £156.00 - £280.80
• Premium Sideline: £151.00 - £271.80
• Club End Zone: £111.00 - £199.80

General admission seating (One game - both games)

• Cat 1 £116.00 - £208.80
• Cat 2 £111.00 - £199.80
• Cat 3 £83.50 - £150.30
• Cat 4 £76.00 - £136.80
• Cat 5 £73.50 - £132.30
• Cat 6 £56.00 - £100.80
• Cat 7 £51.00 - £91.80
• Cat 8 £46.00 - £82.80
• Cat 9 £41.00 - £73.80
• Child (available in blocks 127-131) £23.50 £46.50
• Child (available in blocks 513/514 & 518-520) £21 £4

 

[Saoirse]

These are Wembley Prices for next season - I would expect a similar structure:

How much will they cost?
Pricing for the Wembley games was confirmed on January 19.

Level 2 club seating (One game - both games)

• Premium Sideline Central: £156.00 - £280.80
• Premium Sideline: £151.00 - £271.80
• Club End Zone: £111.00 - £199.80

General admission seating (One game - both games)

• Cat 1 £116.00 - £208.80
• Cat 2 £111.00 - £199.80
• Cat 3 £83.50 - £150.30
• Cat 4 £76.00 - £136.80
• Cat 5 £73.50 - £132.30
• Cat 6 £56.00 - £100.80
• Cat 7 £51.00 - £91.80
• Cat 8 £46.00 - £82.80
• Cat 9 £41.00 - £73.80
• Child (available in blocks 127-131) £23.50 £46.50
• Child (available in blocks 513/514 & 518-520) £21 £4

Ah, but don't the amazing facilities mean they'll charge an extra 40%?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Ah, but don't the amazing facilities mean they'll charge an extra 40%?

NFL controls the prices - and keeps the revenue. Might see a higher average price - because there are fewer seats at NWHL. So, fewer "cheap" seats, more "premium" seats.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Unless, as I suspect, a quick cash-in is exactly what ENIC have in store for the club once the stadium's up and running.

We are being fattened up for a sale to a US company, hence the abortive discussions with Cain Hoy. Better than petro dollars but it really scares me because it will almost certainly come with Glazer style financial engineering.

That's what I think, maybe stick around for few seasons to admire the stadium then start looking for buyers

It's an interesting moment. I've been posting, innumerable times over a period of seven plus years, whenever some random identikit moaner insists that ENIC "will never build a stadium and will flog the club to the highest bidder this year", that it would make no sense for them to do that: the time to consider selling the club will be when the new stadium has been completed, because that's when the added value has been generated.

Well that's right about now. So what will they do? There's no sign of a sale. No realistic rumours, no leaks, no rumbles. My hunch - and that's all it is - would be that ENIC has crunched the business plan and reckons there is profit to be made and further asset value to be added by letting things run in the new stadium for a few years. That's what @whitelanefever is suggesting.

But it's clear enough what the big risks to that strategy are: increased interest rates or a crash in residential property values. The first would make it difficult to refinance the development borrowing without trashing the business plan. The second would reduce the club's ability to use profits on the residential development to reduce its borrowing exposure.

By contrast with those, I'd propose that the difference between a season ticket at £1,000 and the same ticket at £1,300 is not a major factor. The club have set the prices at a level that they think people will tolerate. Moaning is free. People not buying STs is not free. Will the people who are upset about the prices give up their STs en masse? I doubt it.

 

[Lilbaz]

At the end of the day if a big enough offer comes in enic will sell. Levy has said that from day one.

Whether a big enough offer comes in is a totally different question that none of us knows the answer to.

 

[mpickard2087]

I'm not sure Lewis is in any rush to sell. I've seen it said before that he likes the prestige and certain status he gets from owning a PL club. Spurs are just one of the many, many assets in the portfolio. It's a decent chip to have, I don't see him parting with it lightly... And so that comes onto who could actually afford to buy us, and what sort of investment would it be. Squad that's valued in the hundreds of millions of pounds, 'billion pound' assets in the new stadium and training grounds, PL revenue streams and exposure, the London factor, plus a premium on top to sweeten the deal for the seller... We're talking extremely big money.

Also I think Levy, if he has any sway, is here long term... He clearly loves running a football club and gets a buzz from it. What else would he do with his time!?

 

[Hoops]

I'm not sure Lewis is in any rush to sell. I've seen it said before that he likes the prestige and certain status he gets from owning a PL club. Spurs are just one of the many, many assets in the portfolio. It's a decent chip to have, I don't see him parting with it lightly... And so that comes onto who could actually afford to buy us, and what sort of investment would it be. Squad that's valued in the hundreds of millions of pounds, 'billion pound' assets in the new stadium and training grounds, PL revenue streams and exposure, the London factor, plus a premium on top to sweeten the deal for the seller... We're talking extremely big money.

Also I think Levy, if he has any sway, is here long term... He clearly loves running a football club and gets a buzz from it. What else would he do with his time!?

With this stadium we are easily valued at 2bn IMO. Weve proved that we have the fan base at wembley.

 

[Metalhead]

I'm not sure Lewis is in any rush to sell. I've seen it said before that he likes the prestige and certain status he gets from owning a PL club. Spurs are just one of the many, many assets in the portfolio. It's a decent chip to have, I don't see him parting with it lightly... And so that comes onto who could actually afford to buy us, and what sort of investment would it be. Squad that's valued in the hundreds of millions of pounds, 'billion pound' assets in the new stadium and training grounds, PL revenue streams and exposure, the London factor, plus a premium on top to sweeten the deal for the seller... We're talking extremely big money.

Also I think Levy, if he has any sway, is here long term... He clearly loves running a football club and gets a buzz from it. What else would he do with his time!?

Who would want to enter into negotiations with him to buy the club anyway? Just negotiating the purchase of a player must be enough to turn someone's hair grey.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

With this stadium we are easily valued at 2bn IMO. Weve proved that we have the fan base at wembley.

This is an important point. As I recently posted on another thread, it wasn't so long ago that many here were doubtful that we could fill a 50k stadium. Now we've shown that we can reliably attract 80k for major fixtures and 60k routinely.

Although I'm sure that Levy & his team did a great deal of market research on the potential ST base before embarking on the NDP (that's what the introduction of the Bronze membership was all about), it's one thing to have private research and another thing to be able to show proof to the market.

Equally important, though relatively unnoticed here, have been the international outreach work and strategic partnerships, to build Spurs' fanbase abroad as our participation in major international competitions has become an annual event, instead of an occasional fillip. It's a hell of a lot easier to shift merch in China when we're on television every few Wednesday evenings.

 

[Lilbaz]

This is an important point. As I recently posted on another thread, it wasn't so long ago that many here were doubtful that we could fill a 50k stadium. Now we've shown that we can reliably attract 80k for major fixtures and 60k routinely.

Although I'm sure that Levy & his team did a great deal of market research on the potential ST base before embarking on the NDP (that's what he introduction of the Bronze membership was all about), it's one thing to have private research and another thing to be able to show proof to the market.

Equally important, though relatively unnoticed here, have been the international outreach work and strategic partnerships, to build Spurs' fanbase abroad as our participation in major international competitions has become an annual event, instead of an occasional fillip. It's a hell of a lot easier to shift merch in China when we're on television every few Wednesday evenings.

I agree with your point but the wednesday evening part and china are a bit inaccurate. Spent a lot of time all over asia. Champions league isn't big over there due to the time difference. Games starting at 04:00 on a week day aren't that big an attraction.
Obviously being in it is great for our reputation over there but pl is most important.
Sure our fans in asia will probably correct me though but that was my experience.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I agree with your point but the wednesday evening part and china are a bit inaccurate. Spent a lot of time all over asia. Champions league isn't big over there due to the time difference. Games starting at 04:00 on a week day aren't that big an attraction.
Obviously being in it is great for our reputation over there but pl is most important.
Sure our fans in asia will probably correct me though but that was my experience.

OK, I was making a general point with a colourful example. Let's say India instead of China!

 

[Lilbaz]

OK, I was making a general point with a colourful example. Let's say India instead of China!

Sorry was trying to be informative.

 

[Trix]

At the end of the day if a big enough offer comes in enic will sell. Levy has said that from day one.

Whether a big enough offer comes in is a totally different question that none of us knows the answer to.

When/where has he said they would def sell? All I have heard him say is that it would be brought to the shareholders, which they have a legal obligation to do.

 

[Lilbaz]

When/where has he said they would def sell? All I have heard him say is that it would be brought to the shareholders, which they have a legal obligation to do.

He had an interview years ago with garth crooks where he said tottenham are always for sale. Enic are an investment fund (that is what the i stands for).

 

[Lilbaz]

@Trix 3:20