ENIC...

[Lighty64]

As I’ve said before, we’re supposed to understand and sympathise with their position re Covid and yet conveniently forget Covid when the club are charging us the most expensive ST prices and £60 for a one off game when other clubs at least acted with a bit of humility regarding it. And all the while Lewis is sitting there in his tax haven counting his billions.

They are taking the piss out of us.

if you were a member and not a season ticket holder and everything was normal that £60 for the Villa game is what you would pay and that's just in the cheap sections. because the fans were spread here, and there it meant having more bars and food outlets which they gave the food away for free (not sure if they gave a drink with that too), it also meant having more stewards, a bigger clean up both inside and out. after the match with all the wages including the players they made a loss.

I doubt Lewis is counting his billions, his wealth is tied up in living, staff, yachts, art, and 200 companies. Yes it would be great if he chucked some our way, but like the last post I made above how much should he chuck to get success

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Yes but we are fans not accountants.

Well, I dare say that some among us are accountants too.

But it's irrelevant. The point is that success on the pitch can be defined in a variety of ways.

 

[WhiteHartLaneBoy]

It was difficult to tell really in the documentary. All he seemed to do was look lovingly into Jose eyes.

Yes the documentary kind of destroyed the persona he had created.

 

[Lighty64]

Is the general consensus that we do have money but ENIC are just not willing to spend, or are we actually skint?

If it’s the latter, then why? The stadium is financed through long-term deals, and Covid doesn’t seem to have affected our rival’s (and some clubs below us) spending…plus we’ve been run prudently for so many years so really we should be in a better position than most!

only Villa have bought anyone and that is going to replace Grealish which they will get bundles for. the Leicester rumours are from the big sales they have made, they also seem to have a better scouting outfit picking up some bargins along the way. they made massive profits from selling Kante, they invested well. since they won the league their net spend is 93m, they have also made profits selling fringe players, and big profits selling Mahrez, MaGuire, and Chilwell.

 

[Bobbins]

He was giving the impression he has been desperate to spend but the managers didn't want it....

No, he was pointing out that everything that you read in the media isn't accurate.

It seems clear this is a reference to the well-known period when Poch was turning players down because he didn't want alternatives to his chosen picks, who were unrealistic. That's why we didn't buy anyone for 18 months.

That's always been on Poch just as much as Levy.

 

[Bobbins]

So people wanted communication, he gives it and people say it's a spin? He cannot and will never win it seems.

I've slated Levy on here lately but there's no way to deny that, on the surface at least, he seems to be doing what the vast majority of us were asking him to do - step away from football operations.

Time will tell how accurate this ends up being but this is clearly a direct response to specific criticism and I don't see how we could ask for much more. It's just healthy to keep our cynical hats on whilst we see whether or not things really change.

Very telling I thought that he essentially said that Kane is for sale at the right price. Not something I ever thought Levy would come out with.

 

[Lighty64]

It seems clear this is a reference to the well-known period when Poch was turning players down because he didn't want alternatives to his chosen picks, who were unrealistic. That's why we didn't buy anyone for 18 months.

That's always been on Poch just as much as Levy.

the 18 months of not buying, yet out of those 18 months you can only buy in a 4 month period.

as you said as much on Poch, the one thing with Poch he rarely had new signings in January, think it was 2-3 and Alli was loaned back, and Moura hardly played.

the 2018 summer window killed us, and really wished we had picked up 3-4 new players, it might have meant we would have sold some too, as we needed to with having 25 senior players, but we needed to have done something to have a decent squad instead of just a starting XI that the majority had a very small break due to getting to the final weekend of the World Cup.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I watched that interview and found myself being drawn into believing half of it and actually understanding the guy so I slapped myself across the face a few times and took a very cold shower. That sorted me out.

 

[Franchise60]

It seems clear this is a reference to the well-known period when Poch was turning players down because he didn't want alternatives to his chosen picks, who were unrealistic. That's why we didn't buy anyone for 18 months.

That's always been on Poch just as much as Levy.

Quite a look from Levy to allude to Poch turning down a couple signings three years ago considering we’ve been a disaster since Levy fired Poch and he tried to bring him back this summer.

 

[JacoZA]

I disagree re the Kane leaving bit. I’m not sure they needed to address the rumours and could have not said anything. This feels a little like the clubs opening gambit in terms of keeping him. Eg You’re not happy but tough.

Bring on the rainbows.

Yeah, I thought the Kane bit was basically: if we get an offer that meets our valuation, then we’ll do business. If not, then we don’t. The latter being more likely at this stage. It’s probably not exactly what fans want to hear, but it is the most realistic answer.

 

[JacoZA]

I've slated Levy on here lately but there's no way to deny that, on the surface at least, he seems to be doing what the vast majority of us were asking him to do - step away from football operations.

Time will tell how accurate this ends up being but this is clearly a direct response to specific criticism and I don't see how we could ask for much more. It's just healthy to keep our cynical hats on whilst we see whether or not things really change.

Very telling I thought that he essentially said that Kane is for sale at the right price. Not something I ever thought Levy would come out with.

This is spot on. The rational response, to me, would be to appreciate some clarity from DL (which we hardly ever get) while remaining firm on expecting him to stick to his word.

 

[JacoZA]

Personally, I don’t think the “unfinished business” quote is about Poch. I think it simply refers to the club having been very close to major success with the CL final and some good league performances, before things went Pete Tong, and DL and co. want to get back to that level and then some. Whether that is with Poch or with the Paulo or whoever.

 

[Bobbins]

the 18 months of not buying, yet out of those 18 months you can only buy in a 4 month period.

as you said as much on Poch, the one thing with Poch he rarely had new signings in January, think it was 2-3 and Alli was loaned back, and Moura hardly played.

the 2018 summer window killed us, and really wished we had picked up 3-4 new players, it might have meant we would have sold some too, as we needed to with having 25 senior players, but we needed to have done something to have a decent squad instead of just a starting XI that the majority had a very small break due to getting to the final weekend of the World Cup.

Poch should've understood the need to turn over the squad to keep things fresh. I think he felt we were on the verge of winning things but needed the extra quality in the first 11 to push us over the edge. He was probably right, but by turning down anyone who basically wasn't already a target for Barcelona, he missed the chance to refresh and upgrade the back-up players - who could've made the difference in the crunch moments, especially when Kane missed long periods and we have very little back up in CM.

I expect Levy just went along with whatever Poch said but this was a major failing from the pair of them.

 

[rossdapep]

Yep. A lot of talk about “acceptance” in the manager thread, but this is the acceptance which I believe is more valid.

I’ve been going to games regularly since the late 80’s and seen some proper shite Spurs teams but I don’t think I’ve felt less enthusiastic about us for a long time. Maybe it’s because I’m older and more cynical now, but feel the last dregs of hope for us to become successful have been finally squeezed out of me.

I’m not going to pretend I know a great deal about Fonseca ( for good or bad), but his record outside of Ukraine doesn’t scream top manager and everything about the appointment screams cheap and on the basis that he’s just happy to be here are put up with the restrictions he needs to work under. That and so many others turned us down or were beyond our means and ambition.

Here’s the sad thing for me though; I feel it ultimately makes fuck all difference. If he’s fighting a losing battle and out of his depth then he’ll pay the price like all the others and we’ll back looking for another manager. And if he turns out to be an really astute appointment and exceeds expectations then he won’t be backed to take us a stage further and kick on anyway and the cycle will just be repeated in a slightly different way.

Everything at Spurs at

if you were a member and not a season ticket holder and everything was normal that £60 for the Villa game is what you would pay and that's just in the cheap sections. because the fans were spread here, and there it meant having more bars and food outlets which they gave the food away for free (not sure if they gave a drink with that too), it also meant having more stewards, a bigger clean up both inside and out. after the match with all the wages including the players they made a loss.

I doubt Lewis is counting his billions, his wealth is tied up in living, staff, yachts, art, and 200 companies. Yes it would be great if he chucked some our way, but like the last post I made above how much should he chuck to get success

Whilst I do agree, its quite true that these billionaires maintain their wealth by buying expensive paintings, etc - I also find it laughable that Lewis apparently requires 4bn for Tottenham Hotspur when that amount is surely set for clubs/businesses that are at the very very pinnacle of its spectrum.

And to do that you need multiple assets of great value, and that includes the players.

Currently, only Kane is worth a vast amount and he could leave.

The stadium and the finances they bring are not going to cut it alone, especially if the club are not in the money making game of the CL. The PL alone isn't enough either, especially when you are not Liverpool or City.

Therefore, surely SURELY, it would be wise for Lewis to invest a little into the playing team to ensure it remains highly competitive and has many more assets, and marketable ones at that.

Afterall, when we were looking like relegation candidates the club panicked and had a bit of a spending apree..
.and this was when the club had no CL football, TV money was not as luxorious and we were in the old WHL which drove nowhere near the amount of profit as the new WHL will.

I'm not saying the club need to go spend 200m+ but they could show a bit of ambition and care for the business by bringing in one or two high quality players to ensure the team stays in the top places.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

I watched that interview and found myself being drawn into believing half of it and actually understanding the guy so I slapped myself across the face a few times and took a very cold shower. That sorted me out.

How can you possibly understand him? Isn't loading the club up on debt exactly what the Glazers have done which has been met with criticism by everyone?

Not only has Levy done the same thing to funnel all the fans money into his pocket but he openly talks about it like we should somehow be sympathetic to him.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

sigh

 

[azza]

Whilst I think its a step to open some communication, I would like to see a proper interview rather than this powder puff one.

He says he's private but he needs to held to account for OUR club, unless it really is a private business that we have no right to access to . Either way want to know where we stand.

As part of the ESL debacle I think owners need to be held to account in the media in the same way the managers have to as part of the PL contract.

 

[HodisGawd]

How can you possibly understand him? Isn't loading the club up on debt exactly what the Glazers have done which has been met with criticism by everyone?

Not only has Levy done the same thing to funnel all the fans money into his pocket but he openly talks about it like we should somehow be sympathetic to him.

No, it's completely different.

The Glazers loaded Man U with THEIR own debt, and have since taken millions out of the club.

Levy has loaded the club with OUR debt - the debt from the stadium. It is on better terms and Enic aren't stripping the club for its cash.

What the Glazers have done at MU is terrible and should serve as a massive red flag to anyone wanting Enic out.

 

[TropicalYid]

Levy addressed all of the big talking points of lately. And he answered well. I one believes that he is lying about wanting to take the club forward, investing every penny back in the club etc then it doesnt really matter what he or the club says.

I am upset about the managerial mess and the collapse of the team this year. And therefor question Levy.
But I also understand that I do not know everything behind the scenes. I do not know how a football club is runned. I do not know the world of pro footballers, agents and what not.

So please Mr Levy (and god) let this next manager appointment be the right one.

 

[piedpiper]

Have To say reading through the last 6 odd pages it's disheartening to see the level of vitriol towards Daniel Levy..... he's honestly in a no win situation. He could throw in the towel......but his stuck it out. I believe he has the best interests of the club at heart.

our issues are more Enic than Daniel Levy who is a fan like the rest of us. Hopefully with Paratici coming on board we will see a change in structures at all levels where we become a Dortmund or Ajax in our setup. Even A Chelsea perhaps where we able to identify the best youth coming through and scouting thek and bringing them in. Creating a clear path to the 1st team.