ENIC...

[SirNiNyHotspur]

It says a lot about the job Levy has done at disenfranchising the fans that someone like me, who has been obsessive about Spurs for a good 30 years, isn’t even interested to watch us play on TV now, let alone buy a ticket.

The job Pochettino did to make the club feel like a family, developing a squad of young players in an attractive style which everyone bought into, was criminally under appreciated by Levy. Failing to invest in the platform that man gave us was the worst decision he has ever made as a businessman. One he’ll be paying for 3X over in the coming years.

Rolling Nuno out in front of the cameras and getting him to repeat the Poch line that they are going to make us proud again was such a kick in the nuts, and a very sad moment.

I haven’t really watched us this season but I heard yesterday that he was negative and didn’t even try to attack Palace. I’m hardly surprised, Nuno isn’t known for the style Levy promised in his statement last year and it’s pretty obvious the guy was pretty low down the list of targets in our farcical managerial hunt.

I do feel for him though. That starting midfield 3 yesterday and the options on the bench just screams years of both underinvestment and poor choices in the market.

I don’t care if others disagree but this is all on ENIC and I won’t be spending money on the club until big changes are made.

Would give you a trophy if I could mate, exactly how I feel, top post.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

The chairman and the club have become indistinguishable. That’s a problem; a huge one! Especially in our case. 20 years and one league cup!

Levy both has and demands executive control in all areas. That’s a problem. He won’t take his “eye off the ball” for one second re ENIC priorities; everything else is secondary however much of a Spurs fan he is. Something isn’t/hasn’t been working

We still have a huge and loyal fanbase. ENIC wouldn’t be interested otherwise. It’s a passionate fanbase, but needs to show its passion and demand success. United, Liverpool, Leicester…and Arsenal do. Again, 20 years and one league cup!

1961-1980 Eight trophies
1981-2000 Five trophies
2001-2020 One trophy
The decline in our club has been painful and pitiful to behold

 

[shelfboy68]

It says a lot about the job Levy has done at disenfranchising the fans that someone like me, who has been obsessive about Spurs for a good 30 years, isn’t even interested to watch us play on TV now, let alone buy a ticket.

The job Pochettino did to make the club feel like a family, developing a squad of young players in an attractive style which everyone bought into, was criminally under appreciated by Levy. Failing to invest in the platform that man gave us was the worst decision he has ever made as a businessman. One he’ll be paying for 3X over in the coming years.

Rolling Nuno out in front of the cameras and getting him to repeat the Poch line that they are going to make us proud again was such a kick in the nuts, and a very sad moment.

I haven’t really watched us this season but I heard yesterday that he was negative and didn’t even try to attack Palace. I’m hardly surprised, Nuno isn’t known for the style Levy promised in his statement last year and it’s pretty obvious the guy was pretty low down the list of targets in our farcical managerial hunt.

I do feel for him though. That starting midfield 3 yesterday and the options on the bench just screams years of both underinvestment and poor choices in the market.

I don’t care if others disagree but this is all on ENIC and I won’t be spending money on the club until big changes are made.

Well said mate I also will not be going to games until there is change, levy has well and truly cocked this club up but doesn't know what to do to resolve it.
He has a stadium which is the envy of many but has a team worthy of mid table somewhere something doesn't add up.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Knowing our luck if we put ourselves on the market and flirted with buyers from the Middle East, we’d end up being bought by the Taliban

 

[Lighty64]

The chairman and the club have become indistinguishable. That’s a problem; a huge one! Especially in our case. 20 years and one league cup!

Levy both has and demands executive control in all areas. That’s a problem. He won’t take his “eye off the ball” for one second re ENIC priorities; everything else is secondary however much of a Spurs fan he is. Something isn’t/hasn’t been working

We still have a huge and loyal fanbase. ENIC wouldn’t be interested otherwise. It’s a passionate fanbase, but needs to show its passion and demand success. United, Liverpool, Leicester…and Arsenal do. Again, 20 years and one league cup!

but we have reached other finals and semi finals, and also been involved in league challenges. Yes we should have tried building on that, but without the money the other teams have makes it harder. to have any hope of buying a quality starter you have to hope they don't want that player

 

[Albertbarich]

1961-1980 Eight trophies
1981-2000 Five trophies
2001-2020 One trophy
The decline in our club has been painful and pitiful to behold

Amazed that people are still defending him.

Edit- I'm not amazed as I've been reading the same arguments on spurs forums for over a decade.

But we look further away than ever.

My main gripes he cocks up over and over again with no recourse.

We can't demand a new owner but the board should be demanding a new person to lead us.

 

[jurgen]

We can't demand a new owner but the board should be demanding a new person to lead us.

Good luck!

 

[DiVaio]

1961-1980 Eight trophies
1981-2000 Five trophies
2001-2020 One trophy
The decline in our club has been painful and pitiful to behold

Last season finish at 7th with 62 points was our worst since 2009. Before ENIC in Premier League our best finish was 7th too with 62 points and 4 more league games played.

 

[HW61]

“We shall focus on the recruitment of a new Head Coach. We are acutely aware of the need to select someone whose values reflect those of our great Club and return to playing football with the style for which we are known – free-flowing, attacking and entertaining”

guess who

what does it say about Levy‘s competence if that was the plan and he ended up with Nuno

“We shall focus on the recruitment of a new Head Coach. We are acutely aware of the need to select someone whose values reflect those of our great Club and return to playing football with the style for which we are known – free-flowing, attacking and entertaining”

guess who

what does it say about Levy‘s competence if that was the plan and he ended up with Nuno

Just perfectly sums up the incompetence and/or deceitfulness of Levy. Gave up my season ticket of 40 years last summer because of exactly this.

 

[Lighty64]

You have to spend money to make money. Yeah we just built a massive beautiful stadium & this is alot of peoples first time getting in there thanks to covid. But the glitz & the glamor of it will wear off before the end of the year & then its just a beautiful stadium with a fledging product that a ton of fans wont go out of their way spending quite a bit to go see. That is the problem & that is precisely what Levy does not understand. Also, saying the clubs hasnt earned anything in the pandemic is simply not true. We have quite a few sponsors & the tv deal is MASSIVE & ever increasing to the point that even being in the PL for 1 year is worth £250m. Our financial problem is the stadium debt that we keep borrowing on at very low rates. If it indeed payable over 30 or so years then what the fuck are we doing here? Are we banking on full stadiums to just pay it back sooner? We had a £30m net spend on fees this year but slashed £40m off the wage bill. Covid is just a convenient excuse for ENIC to do what they have always done. Spend nothing & expect the world. We arent in La Liga, Ligue 1 or even the Bundesliga. We are in the Premier League. The only league in the world in solid financial positioning. We are a top 10 club financially in the world(thanks to the success of Poch & also the tv money + sponsorships) but we are the only one of the PL clubs in there that does not act like it.

Look when ENIC took us over we where a complete joke, we wasn't even a top 10 club, has it improved? yes

but when they took us over they always said we would be self sustainable, and since the stadium was finished we have hardly earnt anywhere what would be needed. Yes but Lewis has 4.3b, but he doesn't have that in his back pocket. The majority of it is tied up in 199 other companies, and his own life and hobbies. I don't know the value of ENIC, but it's nowhere near his overall value otherwise he would be richer. since ENIC took over when we were miles behind Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, god we was then chasing Villa, Leeds, Newcastle and a few others. since then Abramovic has taken over Chelsea and spent over 2b, then along came the Sheik who has also spent over 2b. with building the stadium to try and make us stronger where is the spare 2b to do it? yet until the last 2 seasons we are still so much in a better place than we were pre ENIC, and like covid has effected the fans, it's had a much bigger impact on what Levy had hoped.

Last season we had our highest ever wage bill, and even if fans where not allowed in we still have maintenance to keep up, still had to pay rates and ground staff, and sponsors wouldn't have been as massive. when the figures come out for the financial year I bet the figures show a massive loss compared to profit.

we saved 40m on the wage bill? why aren't we paying all the newly signed players, and management staff?

we are a top 10 club financially now, we wasn't before ENIC took over.

we have had numerous chances to get to and win finals, and the team and the manager are the ones that have frozen on the day. had we bought better players we might be talking about winning them, or there is an actual fact there is no guarantee anything would have been different. You say thanks to Poch, yet ENIC provided him the tools, and come on who signed Lo Celso and Ndombele? who played Son at left back v Chelsea, who selected Vorm v Man C, who brought back an unfit Kane v Liverpool.

we all know ENIC/Levy have made errors, but it's only because where we hope to be, compared to where we was that we are moaning. to many people want the owners to throw money at it like the real big boys, but until we either start making big money via the stadium, or they sell, we are never, ever, ever going to be able to match them, and we will just have to depend on luck like Leicester to get us there.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Last season finish at 7th with 62 points was our worst since 2009. Before ENIC in Premier League our best finish was 7th too with 62 points and 4 more league games played.

Before Enic in the top flight we actually won the league twice
Before Enic we used to win cup finals
I willingly agree that with the exception of the 60s the last decade was our best for average league finishes
And all credit to Enic for that, but we also failed to win a trophy in a full decade for the first time since the 1930s and I will never forgive them for that

 

[Lighty64]

Liverpool have won FA Cups, the PL, a couple of CLs since Enic/Levy took the reins of our club. 20 years mate, and still won fuck all...there are several mammoths in the room you need to notice.

Liverpool have been a massive club for decades, but they still fell away after being 1 of the top 3 clubs throughout the PL. we are nowhere near the size of that club. them and Man U sell more merchandise and have bigger sponsors and fans across the world than we could dream of.

When they fell out it took 8 years to return, they are a bigger club than us, they are the 2nd most successful club in the history of football. football existed before ENIC bought Sugar out

 

[DiVaio]

Before Enic in the top flight we actually won the league twice
Before Enic we used to win cup finals
I willingly agree that with the exception of the 60s the last decade was our best for average league finishes
And all credit to Enic for that, but we also failed to win a trophy in a full decade for the first time since the 1930s and I will never forgive them for that

We were winning the league in 1960. 38 games in Premier League is better indicator of being good than winning ~5 games most often against clubs not from top flight. And if club is good enough to finish in top6 then is good enough to win cup finals. In 07/08 and 98/99 when we won league cup we finished at 11th. In 90/91 at 10th.

 

[Lighty64]

1961-1980 Eight trophies
1981-2000 Five trophies
2001-2020 One trophy
The decline in our club has been painful and pitiful to behold

or perhaps football since 1960-1992 has changed massively. if you don't understand that a team can spend billions more than another doesn't make it harder because they can afford the best, and have the best of everything from players to coaches then I'd pack up posting stats if we had actually won the 5 finals we have lost in this double decade we would have had our 2nd best ever double decade, and had we not messed up on all those semi finals we might have had our best ever.

 

[shelfboy68]

To earn profit from an international sports company with no interest in football I would say they have delivered on that.

 

[makeveli]

It’s pretty simple
To see they are in it for the money and the stadium is a huge money pull, they will never spend to get us to the top

 

[Albertbarich]

or perhaps football since 1960-1992 has changed massively. if you don't understand that a team can spend billions more than another doesn't make it harder because they can afford the best, and have the best of everything from players to coaches then I'd pack up posting stats if we had actually won the 5 finals we have lost in this double decade we would have had our 2nd best ever double decade, and had we not messed up on all those semi finals we might have had our best ever.

But we didn't win the 5 finals. He has sacked every single manager who got us to a final. We haven't won fuck all since 2008 and that was a Mickley mouse cup followed by the manager getting screwed in the summer and then sacked.

This is the same debate we have every year. He has fucked over another manager. The irony of course is this manager is only here because he fucked up the manager search.

At what point does Levy have to produce. If poch can lose his job after everything he did then levy certainly can.

He continuously picks the wrong manager, continuously fails to back them, continuously fails to achieve on pitch aims and here he is still one of the best paid football executives in the world and here you are defending him.

Were football supporters. Not property company supporters, we don't support an accountancy firm. We support a football club.

So I don't care about the training ground, I don't care if we have a lodge, I don't care about the NFL, I don't give a shit if we host a boxing match. I care about my football team winning .

We never have under him and we look a million miles off doing so. All that stuff I don't care about you could argue helps us going forward but we have heard it all before. The Carrot gets dangled and dangled and still we fail and still people defend him.

I said all summer, wait and see. Well it ended after a comically bad manager search with a 5th or 6th choice coach who has a squad that is going to seriously struggle to cope.

A good start hid that somewhat but yesterday we got smashed by crystal Palace and looked hopefully toothless. I'm bored of it. I just had to suffer some chelsea wanker produce the most divisive dire football I've ever seen after levy screwed over a beloved manager and here we are months later still watching shit football after that pathetic speech which was clearly full of shit.

What are you backing? There is no history of winning and we are a million miles off winning.

Time to call the under achievement out.

 

[Lighty64]

Amazed that people are still defending him.

Edit- I'm not amazed as I've been reading the same arguments on spurs forums for over a decade.

But we look further away than ever.

My main gripes he cocks up over and over again with no recourse.

We can't demand a new owner but the board should be demanding a new person to lead us.

well as he holds the 2nd biggest stake in us and isn't employed but a part owner there is only 1 person that can make him stand down.

if we was playing on a level playing ground I could understand the discontent.

 

[shelfboy68]

Leicester have won two trophies in the past 6/7 years so we are now saying we aren't on a level playing field to them.
If that is the case then that is appalling that a smaller club has overtaken us surely there can be no defending this and yet amazingly some still are.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

or perhaps football since 1960-1992 has changed massively. if you don't understand that a team can spend billions more than another doesn't make it harder because they can afford the best, and have the best of everything from players to coaches then I'd pack up posting stats if we had actually won the 5 finals we have lost in this double decade we would have had our 2nd best ever double decade, and had we not messed up on all those semi finals we might have had our best ever.

I understand completely that we have been outspent, and that's one of the things that makes me angry
When I started supporting Spurs we were one of the big spenders. We won things, we were a glamour club
Now I have seen clubs like Chelsea and City transformed into super powers because they have owners who are prepared to be big spenders.
I am not going to continue the debate, because I will never convince the pro Enic faction, just as they will never convince me unless we start winning things again. And even then the twenty years I have suffered under them with one league cup, will take a lot of forgiving on my part
When I started supporting this club we were arguably the biggest club in London, certainly the most successful of that era
Under EnIc we have trailed in a distant third, a new word has entered the language Spursy, and we are a laughing stock to many other fans. That's a lot of hurt Enic have built up, but I've said, I'll say no more. Every so often I'll post updates on our trophy haul or lack of it.
If some people think Enic are doing a good job, then good luck to them. COYS, I supported this club long before I'd heard of Enic, I'll always support and love this club