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[SheffieldAndy]

Isn’t the point that we don’t have a say in who invests in Google, Amazon or Spurs - the only choice is to boycott products that have that investment. So that, if you would boycott Spurs over dirty money you ought to boycott those other companies as well?

Us BSoDL have long held that it’s better the devil you know (except with players/managers) but if the devil we know is willing to take dirty money then I think he’d go down in my estimation.

Only ENIC/Levy have any say in this, I won’t stop supporting Spurs, because I can’t. But I might hope for change.

Yes, absolutely. And that was 100% the point I was making earlier in this thread that wrd’s post I replied to here was mentioning.

 

[wrd]

To me the only difference is Roman actually put lots of his own money into the club to strengthen the 1st team. They are both repugnant but I'd rather have someone like roman pumping money in than a parasite like lewis

Fair enough but this is why I don't feel like with Lewis in charge that I'm in a moral conflict (mostly because he took charge when I was 11 let's be honest) but because from your description you feel like he is taking from the club and not giving right, so I don't have this conflict because it's not like he's buying my praise and adulation, we're not lavishing in the benefits that he's bestowing on the club. Everything they've built at the club is on the club's dime.

 

[ShriekinKnight]

That Qatari group is going to be shocked when they give Levy 500M and he reports back with all the new cinemas, apartment complexes, golf courses, and hotels he was able to acquire with their money

 

[bat-chain]

Don't worry. This has been posted before and ignored by the hypocrites. The same will happen again.

When Joe Lewis is executing people by firing squad let me know.

 

[dannyo]

Is this not the horrible reality of people wanting ENIC out? There aren’t too many Spurs-supporting, multi-billionaire philanthropists out there, unfortunately. That’s why we need to make up our minds what we really want.

Having paid your money and sat through the dross and the heartbreaking near misses, you do sometimes feel that you deserve to see some success too. But at what cost? The reality is that the inevitable decline of football was brought about when they let Abramovich buy Chelsea. Now it feels there’s no way to compete through fair and morally acceptable means. It’s really shit, in all honesty.

 

[danielneeds]

That Qatari group is going to be shocked when they give Levy 500M and he reports back with all the new cinemas, apartment complexes, golf courses, and hotels he was able to acquire with their money

I mean that’s what Qataris buy themselves anyway.

 

[NayimFTHL]

When Joe Lewis is executing people by firing squad let me know.















Ah yes because joe Lewis definitely didn’t pay hitmen to kill indigenous Argentinians on a piece of land he wanted ?

 

[Darth Vega]

Even if we completely ignore the morality side of things and focus purely on sporting merit, how you win is just as if not more important than the actual winning bit. I don't want to be mediocre under ENIC but I don't want a massive asterisk over anything we might win under the Qataris or someone else. The process is just as satisfying as the conclusion and all we need is an owner that is a middle ground between Levy and the sportswashing types.

 

[Albertbarich]

You have all sorts owning clubs, the FA cup is sponsored by Emirates, FIFA and UEFA fully in the pocket of anyone who will pay, FFP is worthless as shown by Man City having footballs biggest revenues despite having a relatively tiny fanbase and PSG having the squad they do.

At one point you have to ask yourself what are you fighting against because the whole sport is so entrenched In this stuff I'm not sure how you avoid it.

I saw a bit a couple of weeks ago about our sponsor calling backing the Chinese government In Hong Kong, Kane is now their main ambassador isn't he?

And then you look at our owners , sure they're not a nation state but people have already pointed towards Lewis' record, he is no saint.

I feel like throwing my toys out of the pram about it would be like moaning I'm wet once I chose to keep jumping into the swimming pool.

 

[bobbof]

Enic has built this club to what it is today. Amongst the elite, with a sensational stadium and training ground. And all has been done the right way. We have been so close to multiple trophies the last years, and will get more chances this way.

I know a lot of you are young, and want trophies and big signings every window and right now. Some really need a reminder of how things were a decade or two ago, where we were finishing mid-table regularly.

Football and your team is something that will be a part of you for the rest of your life. Do you really want the club to sell its soul?

Haven’t you ever played a game that you really, really like, but the game is hard, and the disappointments many? Those exact struggles are what makes the wins so sweet.
Think of how many games you have ruined out of impatience with a cheat code, for instant gratification.

Do you really want this for your football club?

 

[Tyler24durden]

It’s very hard to accumulate billions in a completely clean, ethically pure manner.

It’s a matter of degrees on the ‘arsehole-o-meter’.

Qatar, and (basically most) Middle Eastern petrol-states are the absolute worst in terms of bigotry, curtailing freedom of expression and human rights abuses in general.

If winning a trophy means that much to fans, that they can be bought to forget about all that, ok.
But any trophy we win after being bought by one of these nations, will have a massive asterisk next to it anyway.

As someone said recently, it would the equivalent of losing your virginity to a prostitute. Meaningless.

But at least you would have experienced sex rather than still be a virgin ?

 

[rossdapep]

Leaked by Levy so that the fan base put pressure on the club not to do something like this so that they can take the heat off them a bit?

 

[the lad]

Enic has built this club to what it is today. Amongst the elite, with a sensational stadium and training ground. And all has been done the right way. We have been so close to multiple trophies the last years, and will get more chances this way.

I know a lot of you are young, and want trophies and big signings every window and right now. Some really need a reminder of how things were a decade or two ago, where we were finishing mid-table regularly.

Football and your team is something that will be a part of you for the rest of your life. Do you really want the club to sell its soul?

Haven’t you ever played a game that you really, really like, but the game is hard, and the disappointments many? Those exact struggles are what makes the wins so sweet.
Think of how many games you have ruined out of impatience with a cheat code, for instant gratification.

Do you really want this for your football club?

The “Elite” win trophies more than once in 15 years.

 

[ilikeost]

I honestly don't care where the money comes from anymore. Football as a sport at this level has moved on from being something more than entertainment to being pure entertainment and the actions of the club (and others) proves this (super league, furlough scheme etc). The league will gradually be filled with more and more financially doped clubs owned by morally reprehensible entities, this is the future of the sport.

 

[felmani26]

Leaked by Levy so that the fan base put pressure on the club not to do something like this so that they can take the heat off them a bit?

Judging by social media it'll likely the opposite effect

 

[robin09]

Leaked by Levy so that the fan base put pressure on the club not to do something like this so that they can take the heat off them a bit?

That would backfire spectacularly, as Levy will realise a large % of the fanbase are chomping at the bit to have him sell a stake to the Qataris.

If anything, a ‘leak’ would only ramp up the pressure as it would now seem there’s a tangible example of a new (part) owner.

I’m sure the Qataris will have better options than us. Levy will demand a fortune, if it ever got to the stage of discussing a share sale.

 

[Woodyy]

Maybe I’m missing something but why are people talking as though they’re about to takeover the club vs. buying a minority stake?

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Leaked by Levy so that the fan base put pressure on the club not to do something like this so that they can take the heat off them a bit?

Or the opposite when it doesn’t go through and we sit through no success for another few decades?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Maybe I’m missing something but why are people talking as though they’re about to takeover the club vs. buying a minority stake?

 

[Tucker]

A hypothetical question for those with a better grasp of finances than me;

I believe they can only be a minority stakeholder due to owning PSG. PSG are the biggest fish in the pond and are pretty much guaranteed CL revenues, however the French league isn’t as financially succesful as the Premier League.

Would they be better off owning Spurs and lowering their stake in PSG due to the larger pots of cash in the PL even though they wouldn’t be as successful due the greater competition?

This isn’t about money or finance. Their stake in PSG is about politics and international relations. It’s soft power that allows them to insert themselves into the various institutions and organisations that are part of western culture.

Their desires to invest in the premier league via a minority stake are likely part of that same aim.

Maybe they’d want to reduce their stake in PSG and increase it in Spurs (or whoever they choose to invest in) because really if they want to have a dick waiving contest with the Saudis and Abu Dhabi they’d want to be able to do it in the same league surely?

Who knows.