Eric Dier

[SpursTillIDie1882]

He was poor in Poch’s last year - for the most part - following a lay-off; then was continually falling ill; then, I believe, Jose sapped his ( and numerous others) confidence. If we sold winks & sissoko I’d like to see him given an opportunity under Nuno’s coaching - if that doesn’t work, then sell him.

Jose didnt sap diers confidence, he carried on playing him regardless of his poor performances or continual brianfarts bar a 4 game spell in the second half of the season after being knocked out of EL or close to that period of time.

 

[Joely]

I still can't forget that moment when he shouted at Tanganga because of the goal we've conceded after his own fucking fault.
And there was a moment in Amazon's documentary when he and Alli had some sort of clash in the dressing room. Alli was upset because of our terrible football and attitude while Dier was pissed off and was sitting there disagreeing with Dele.

I heard this quote from "Ted Lasso" series from Nathan (one of the main characters). Something like "you prefer to look cool/badass rather than being cool".
I don't rate Eric Dier's version from the last 3 seasons. And I don't want him anywhere near our club. He is not good enough. And his "premier league experience" and "fighter's attitude" don't make up for his terrible football. He is not a center back.
And I doubt that he can play as a DM nowadays

He just isn't a very good CB. Maybe it's due to the fact he ended up playing in midfield during the early part of his career with us rather than developing his game at CB I don't know, but the end result is he is a poor CB. Don't really buy into his pointing and looking to organise etc. . Looked like he was going to be Mourinho's man at CB when he first came in but became clear even he didn't seem to have a lot of faith in him towards the end. Interesting that we've had ITK that we've not really had any interest in him

In midfield with Dembele alongside him and Jan and Toby behind, he did a good job for us for a few years but do wonder how much of it was down to having those players around him, especially such a powerhouse like Dembele next to him.....I don't know.

Went to an event quite a while back and ended up having a interesting chat with someone on the coaching staff at another premier league club..... let's just say Dier wasn't particularly rated and to say that team see him as a massive weak link to target whenever they play us would be a huge understatement.

 

[Aphex]

He's a terrible CB in all honesty.

He's nowhere near England quality or top 6 PL. He would struggle to get a game at cloggers in the bottom of the table. Burnley have better CBs which says it all.

 

[Galahad]

He's a terrible CB in all honesty.

He's nowhere near England quality or top 6 PL. He would struggle to get a game at cloggers in the bottom of the table. Burnley have better CBs which says it all.

Yep. Totally agree. I would even prefer CCV rather than Dier at this point

 

[Aphex]

Yep. Totally agree. I would even prefer CCV rather than Dier at this point

Yep, that is why I want him gone. Give the space to a young CB who may or may not turn out good, but at least has potential. Dier is 27/28 and isn't going to improve.

I realise that with Sanchez possibly going and Toby gone, expecting Dier to go this window too is too much, but next summer he should be out.

 

[Stamford]

Sad that he's still going to be here next year.

 

[isaac94]

His had a rather lucky career, many caps for England, is he really better than a Ben Mee or James Tarkowski?

 

[hughy]

His had a rather lucky career, many caps for England, is he really better than a Ben Mee or James Tarkowski?

It helps that for 2 or 3 seasons he was a very consistent performer in defence and midfield. Let's not kid ourselves, he was an integral part of the best period in our recent history.

His issue is he has failed to push on since around 2017/18 season, and due to injuries and poor form he has gotten steadily worse.

He's not as good as those players mentioned now, but it was only 4 years ago United were heavily interested in him (although from memory didn't meet the £50m asking price). Let's be honest we would all have been gutted had we sold him then, and most of us would have bemoaned the fact that we were still just a "selling club".

 

[Joely]

he was a very consistent performer in defence and midfield

Don't really remember him ever being a consistent performer in defence to be honest. In midfield, no doubt he had a good period alongside Dembele.

 

[Aphex]

It helps that for 2 or 3 seasons he was a very consistent performer in defence and midfield. Let's not kid ourselves, he was an integral part of the best period in our recent history.

His issue is he has failed to push on since around 2017/18 season, and due to injuries and poor form he has gotten steadily worse.

He's not as good as those players mentioned now, but it was only 4 years ago United were heavily interested in him (although from memory didn't meet the £50m asking price). Let's be honest we would all have been gutted had we sold him then, and most of us would have bemoaned the fact that we were still just a "selling club".

He was integral to us as a DM yes, but people seem to mix up when he did well and where. He was never important to us as a CB in defence (no idea where you get that from), we had no good period when he played there. It's been a disaster for all concerned.

His performed very well as a DM in Poch's first couple of seasons, then he had injury illness problems and was out for a fair while. Came back and looked really slow and cumbersome in midfield, then he started getting moved to CB towards the end of Poch's reign and then when Jose came in he was cemented as a CB. I don't think Poch fancied him at CB at all. I'd be interested to know how often he was picked there, I don't think it was much.

I think looking back in hindsight, Dier performed a very specific role as a DM in Poch's system which complimented him, but Dier was actually really quite good back then. He has definitely declined as a footballer, he was never great on the ball but he was ok and kept it simple. Now he struggles to complete passes full stop.

To just move to CB at the age of say 26 and start playing there is asking a lot, but when you are up against specialist CBs who have played there all their career, you've got little chance. Especially when playing at the highest level. I always thought it was crazy that the club facilitated his move to CB and actually relied on him last season. I thought he would be way out of his depth, and so it proved. He was basically re learning a position on the job for a top 6 club, strange move by Spurs.

 

[hughy]

He was integral to us as a DM yes, but people seem to mix up when he did well and where. He was never important to us as a CB in defence (no idea where you get that from), we had no good period when he played there. It's been a disaster for all concerned.

His performed very well as a DM in Poch's first couple of seasons, then he had injury illness problems and was out for a fair while. Came back and looked really slow and cumbersome in midfield, then he started getting moved to CB towards the end of Poch's reign and then when Jose came in he was cemented as a CB. I don't think Poch fancied him at CB at all. I'd be interested to know how often he was picked there, I don't think it was much.

I think looking back in hindsight, Dier performed a very specific role as a DM in Poch's system which complimented him, but Dier was actually really quite good back then. He has definitely declined as a footballer, he was never great on the ball but he was ok and kept it simple. Now he struggles to complete passes full stop.

To just move to CB at the age of say 26 and start playing there is asking a lot, but when you are up against specialist CBs who have played there all their career, you've got little chance. Especially when playing at the highest level. I always thought it was crazy that the club facilitated his move to CB and actually relied on him last season. I thought he would be way out of his depth, and so it proved. He was basically re learning a position on the job for a top 6 club, strange move by Spurs.

You're wrong, in the 16/17 season (particularly the second half) he played plenty of times in a back 3, and performed well.

 

[ikky]

Problem is Jose gave him a new contract ( god knows why ) with most likely increased wages. No mid to lower table team would want him on those wages nor would he want to go to a “lesser” team or be given a pay cut. That new contract really screwed us.

 

[Donki]

He is under performing now but we seem to have very short memories, when he started at centre back with us he was a solid performer. I think he started to believe his hype and has took a few steps back like many young players we have had over recent times.

 

[Donki]

He was integral to us as a DM yes, but people seem to mix up when he did well and where. He was never important to us as a CB in defence (no idea where you get that from), we had no good period when he played there. It's been a disaster for all concerned.

His performed very well as a DM in Poch's first couple of seasons, then he had injury illness problems and was out for a fair while. Came back and looked really slow and cumbersome in midfield, then he started getting moved to CB towards the end of Poch's reign and then when Jose came in he was cemented as a CB. I don't think Poch fancied him at CB at all. I'd be interested to know how often he was picked there, I don't think it was much.

I think looking back in hindsight, Dier performed a very specific role as a DM in Poch's system which complimented him, but Dier was actually really quite good back then. He has definitely declined as a footballer, he was never great on the ball but he was ok and kept it simple. Now he struggles to complete passes full stop.

To just move to CB at the age of say 26 and start playing there is asking a lot, but when you are up against specialist CBs who have played there all their career, you've got little chance. Especially when playing at the highest level. I always thought it was crazy that the club facilitated his move to CB and actually relied on him last season. I thought he would be way out of his depth, and so it proved. He was basically re learning a position on the job for a top 6 club, strange move by Spurs.

He was always a CB he just thought he could do a job at DM which he simply doesn't have the legs, speed or mobility for.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

His had a rather lucky career, many caps for England, is he really better than a Ben Mee or James Tarkowski?

Tarwoski certainly is but then again Dier's bar is not that high

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Problem is Jose gave him a new contract ( god knows why ) with most likely increased wages. No mid to lower table team would want him on those wages nor would he want to go to a “lesser” team or be given a pay cut. That new contract really screwed us.

We were in a sticky situation because if Jose hadnt signed him on an extension then he would have available for free as he only had a year left contractually, so for financial reasons it made sense, as we could still get some monetary value for him even IF we did want to get rid of him soon after the extension, better than going on a free and at that point he still held some value £25M maybe?? So i can understand why the extension was and also you could factor in soon after covid malarky hit and no matchday crowd money, we were in a proper predicament especially with the expenditure of the newly constructed stadium we were in quite a sticky wicket as they say.

 

[Aphex]

You're wrong, in the 16/17 season (particularly the second half) he played plenty of times in a back 3, and performed well.

He never performed well as a CB mate

 

[hughy]

He never performed well as a CB mate

So 25 or so appearances at CB in our best PL season and he didn't perform well in any of them?

Genuinely don't know whether you're a certified WUM or just that obnoxious that you can't admit when you're wrong.

 

[Marty]

He never performed well as a CB mate

My opinion is Dier was a fine to good squad player, at CB or DM, until he had to have appendix surgery and for whatever reason has never managed to return to that level. I'm sure part of the reason is poorer team mates who don't bail him out but I suspect he's one of those appendix patients who really struggle after surgery as he was so often out of squads with unspecified illnesses and medical issues for a good 18 months post surgery.

Of course I don't think he's good enough for where we want to be any more, but let's not pretend he never was.

 

[Marty]

So 25 or so appearances at CB in our best PL season and he didn't perform well in any of them?

Genuinely don't know whether you're a certified WUM or just that obnoxious that you can't admit when you're wrong.

23 apps in the PL, 31 in all comps at CB that season according to Transfermarkt. 17 apps at DM or RB.