Eric Dier

[Phil_2.0]

I'm not interested in the stats mate because they are rarely useful without context. I can tell how well a player is playing by watching them, and Dier has performed very well and consistently this season. The centre CB is always going to be less involved stat wise when the players in front and either side are performing well. His job is to organise them. If he had to make 5 tackles and interceptions a game I'd be more worried because it would mean thiose around him were leaving him heavily exposed all the time. The CCB is there to organise and make sure everyone else is where they are supposed to be and to mop up if everything else goes to shit. He's done that very well.

I think Dier has done well too and I can see that with my eyes but its an easy role to play. Stats just confirm what Dier is, solid above-average defender. There are better passers, better goalscoring and more athletic defenders out there that could be an upgrade on Dier. As an example If we had Sergio Ramos in the middle of defence, we'd get 5 goals from that position and some very strong leadership.

At the minute from Dier we get good organisation and an above-average passer. It's nice but it can be improved on and make us a better team if like I said we could get goals from that position or someone who is an elite passer.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Diers role isn't to make tackles he sweeps the back line. It's romero and Davies who have to be front foot aggressors.

I'd like to see his blocks/clearances/interception stats

These are the stats. Like Coady Dier doesn't have to do much actual defending. He role is about control, communication and support.

As I said above, if we could find a player that can do that and give you 5 goals like Sergio Ramos it would be an upgrade orr an extremely good passer/communicator. Dier is fine. Could be better though.

 

[N'Obody]

Absolutely love Dier. He's another unsung hero.

Barely even noticed him last season, which is a great sign of someone who's doing a great job. He's a real leader and a great organiser. Don't always need to make tackles and interceptions in the middle of a back 3.

Stats mean nothing when he passed the eye test.

 

[Trix]

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These are the stats. Like Coady Dier doesn't have to do much actual defending. He role is about control, communication and support.

As I said above, if we could find a player that can do that and give you 5 goals like Sergio Ramos it would be an upgrade orr an extremely good passer/communicator. Dier is fine. Could be better though.

Yeah but you are talking about a generational player, literally a 1 in a million player and he's all but finished. So I guess the question is, who is that player right now we could get to upgrade Dier with? A player that can play in a three, organises brilliantly and can get you 5-6 goals a season.

 

[sausage]

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These are the stats. Like Coady Dier doesn't have to do much actual defending. He role is about control, communication and support.

As I said above, if we could find a player that can do that and give you 5 goals like Sergio Ramos it would be an upgrade orr an extremely good passer/communicator. Dier is fine. Could be better though.

Doesn't Ramos have a red card for every goal ratio though?

 

[jurgen11]

is this really a discussion as to whether Dier should be replaced as he doesn't score enough goals ? Ledley scored 14 in 328 and Eric has 10 in 237...so what...he promotes confidence in others around him and is brave as a lion...Ramos lol

 

[Phil_2.0]

Yeah but you are talking about a generational player, literally a 1 in a million player and he's all but finished. So I guess the question is, who is that player right now we could get to upgrade Dier with? A player that can play in a three, organises brilliantly and can get you 5-6 goals a season.

Chelsea got Thiago Silva when people thought he was done and hes got goals and won the Champions League. Bremer scores goals and is unbelievable physically in comparison to Dier. Bonnuci grabs a few and is a leader. Koulibaly would bring a massively unique dynamic to the team if he played in Dier's role. Kounde destroys teams with his passing and carrying ability. Jerome Boateng has experience and is a better passer than Dier. Lenglet who is available at Barca is a wonderful passer.

Those are 5 or 6 names I think would be an upgrade, that in my head are not completely unrealistic. The more realistic names I suggest people might laugh at because Dier has now reformed his image as a good defender even though he doesn't have to do much in the role he has. If you put Harry Maguire in Dier's role would things be that much different for Spurs? Maguire is at his lowest point having to run into the channels and try to receive it and play from his left foot. Dier was in a similar position 2 seasons ago, really shaky in a back 4 having to go into the channels and jump out of defence to press and take more balls under pressure. Maguire would look like Dier if he had Romero and Davies protecting him.

 

[Phil_2.0]

is this really a discussion as to whether Dier should be replaced as he doesn't score enough goals ? Ledley scored 14 in 328 and Eric has 10 in 237...so what...he promotes confidence in others around him and is brave as a lion...Ramos lol

That is one aspect of it but if we had a great passer in the backline that would also make a difference.

 

[kremlyn]

What Dier does well is NOT dive in.

He plays what must be the most difficult position in Football as an outfield player in that he screens the space between the LCB and RCB. Difficult in the sense that it must be boring as hell simply holding your position and blocking space, occasionally getting to pass the ball. Get it wrong however, dive in to a tackle, rush out to meet an attacker and you leave the door wide open.

It's a position that requires a remarkable amount of concentration, restraint. It was interesting watching Romero play there, a considerably more talented player, and he looked hurried. I think teh stats would say that he was far more involved than Dier is but we lost those games I think.

It's a bit like the wing back conundrum - they often look terrible played as either a winger or and Rb but lethal in their right position. Dier is probably just that, not a great CB but an outstanding CCB.

It's not that we should feel sentimental for his length of service, or that he tries; I think he is just mint at being boring and thank god for that!

 

[werty]

Us under Conte

 

[mil1lion]

Its easy to play the Dier role except for when our defence fell apart without him

 

[DJS]

Its easy to play the Dier role except for when our defence fell apart without him

Yep our defence dropped their standards massively when he was out.

 

[nailsy]

Appreciate mixed feelings on him though for me he is one I love. Stepped up this season and full of passion. He is a keeper!

Should probably learn to use his hands a bit more then.

 

[Thenewcat]

Chelsea got Thiago Silva when people thought he was done and hes got goals and won the Champions League. Bremer scores goals and is unbelievable physically in comparison to Dier. Bonnuci grabs a few and is a leader. Koulibaly would bring a massively unique dynamic to the team if he played in Dier's role. Kounde destroys teams with his passing and carrying ability. Jerome Boateng has experience and is a better passer than Dier. Lenglet who is available at Barca is a wonderful passer.

Those are 5 or 6 names I think would be an upgrade, that in my head are not completely unrealistic. The more realistic names I suggest people might laugh at because Dier has now reformed his image as a good defender even though he doesn't have to do much in the role he has. If you put Harry Maguire in Dier's role would things be that much different for Spurs? Maguire is at his lowest point having to run into the channels and try to receive it and play from his left foot. Dier was in a similar position 2 seasons ago, really shaky in a back 4 having to go into the channels and jump out of defence to press and take more balls under pressure. Maguire would look like Dier if he had Romero and Davies protecting him.

Dier never looked remotely like Maguire has this year when he played in a 4, and he’s only been a full time CB of 2 and a bit seasons. He’s just a very good and underrated defender.

 

[spids]

Dier is just coming into prime CB years, and I expect him to go up another 10% next season.

 

[Japhet]

Interesting to see the opinions on Lenglet and comparing them to Dier. Go back a year and Dier was also playing in a back 4 and was making a lot of mistakes. Lenglet got dealt the same hand at Barca, with the same results. Dier has had a huge turnaround since being played in a position that suits him, and yet Lenglet will, according to some, not be able to do this. What I do know is that a 2 year loan deal is an absolute no brainer (even as backup) for a player with very similar attributes to Pau Torres who would allegedly cost in excess of 50m.

 

[BoringOldFan]

Us under Conte

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If the 23/1 game was Chelsea away, the official programme says Dier played in that game. Also, during that period the defence was unsettled to say the least. The back five was different in all those games.

 

[werty]

If the 23/1 game was Chelsea away, the official programme says Dier played in that game. Also, during that period the defence was unsettled to say the least. The back five was different in all those games.

You're right, he played the full 90 against Chelsea. Not sure why that was included.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Interesting to see the opinions on Lenglet and comparing them to Dier. Go back a year and Dier was also playing in a back 4 and was making a lot of mistakes. Lenglet got dealt the same hand at Barca, with the same results. Dier has had a huge turnaround since being played in a position that suits him, and yet Lenglet will, according to some, not be able to do this. What I do know is that a 2 year loan deal is an absolute no brainer (even as backup) for a player with very similar attributes to Pau Torres who would allegedly cost in excess of 50m.

Lenglet would be an upgrade on Dier as a much better passer.

 

[Japhet]

Lenglet would be an upgrade on Dier as a much better passer.

Takes more than being a better passer to be an upgrade on Dier though.